Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[MirnaMinkoff]

I used to work with kids, we had a 2nd grader who had ARFID related to what seemed to be an extreme fear of choking on food/not being able to swallow. He’d only eat a few kinds of puréed soups and mashed potatoes or mashed cauliflower. Eventually he’d only eat broth and had to get a NG tube for a while and do some sort of OT program for eating. His two siblings were pretty adventurous eaters, normal parents. I felt bad for all of them. The weird part was I assumed he’d had some sort of traumatic choking thing happen that triggered it but apparently not.

Interesting. I’d actually wonder if he did have a traumatic event that just went unnoticed by his parents. Weird shit can happen to babies/toddlers while a back is turned or just not noticed because they don’t have the ability to do anything but cry. Real choking is silent, because the airway is blocked. He could have gotten choked on something, managed to clear it before anyone noticed and then just cried afterwards. No one even noticed it was due to a scary choking episode. Either that or there’s an issue with swallowing, stomach problems or painful chewing going on.

A kid insisting on a near liquid and purée diet of bland foods reads as something quite different from the parents in the UK claiming their ARFID kids would starve if Covid shut down the local fast food restaurants because their kids will only eat French fries and tendies.

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In fact if the kids are significantly underweight I’d give any issue far more credence. The amount of supposed ARFID kids who are quite fat tends to point to indulging a difficult child addicted to empty calorie/high satiation foods and aversion to foods that don’t give them the endorphin hit that high starch/sugar/fat foods do. (It’s similar to morbidly obese adults who consume mostly fast food for every meal. They’ve actually destroyed their palette to the point that they aren’t much interested in eating anything that’s not a greasy salty fried abomination.)

Almost every post I read about ARFID the foods parents list as the foods the kids will eat is just a laundry list of empty calorie over-processed garbage. (Tendies, fries, Mac n cheese, chips all seems to be repeating themes as the “safe foods” of ARFID. French fries kill me the most. While they are certainly tasty they have almost no nutritional value so unless you are very underweight eating nothing is far better than eating French fries)

I’m sure ARFID does exist but giving kids that label when the problem is they are addicted/fixated on empty calorie highly processed foods is crazy. I’m sure the McDonald’s Corporation is thrilled that some parents believe children will starve without their French fries though.

 

[Ho Deak]

The thing with autism is you can have severe cases with 'normal' IQ and severe cases with very low IQs.

The normal IQ ones can at least be taught and try to figure shit out. I've met a lot of non-verbal kids that would automatically get pegged as severe as a result but they could communicate and learn tasks. The low IQ ones are fucking hopeless. They cannot learn.

IQ measuring is obviously hard when they can't talk, but you can tell by just 'can they learn anything?' If so, then their IQ is probably fine enough even with speech and communication deficits. I mean it here more as a sense of whether the individual is TEACHABLE.

I'm not that educated in regards to autism so feel free to say whether or not I'm off base here, but I get the impression that autism is sort of becoming a useless label to the point it says nothing without an accompanying full on neuropsychological evaluation. I know there's some distinction between high and low functioning but even that doesn't seem to be all that great in assessing overall functionality. It seems like the diagnosis is becoming a catch-all for any sort of developmental question raised by parent/teacher/etc.

For instance, I know a guy from work who has told me that he's autistic and from what I can tell he truly has a recent diagnosis from a proper professional. However, he still managed to graduate from a good university with a degree in chemistry and even managed to get a decent paying job. Admittedly you can tell something is a bit off about him when you speak to him, but it seems like it would be described better by some other diagnosis like schizoid. It just strikes me as odd that someone like him could even fall into the same category as someone like Chris.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I'm not that educated in regards to autism so feel free to say whether or not I'm off base here, but I get the impression that autism is sort of becoming a useless label to the point it says nothing without an accompanying full on neuropsychological evaluation. I know there's some distinction between high and low functioning but even that doesn't seem to be all that great in assessing overall functionality. It seems like the diagnosis is becoming a catch-all for any sort of developmental question raised by parent/teacher/etc.

For instance, I know a guy from work who has told me that he's autistic and from what I can tell he truly has a recent diagnosis from a proper professional. However, he still managed to graduate from a good university with a degree in chemistry and even managed to get a decent paying job. Admittedly you can tell something is a bit off about him when you speak to him, but it seems like it would be described better by some other diagnosis like schizoid. It just strikes me as odd that someone like him could even fall into the same category as someone like Chris.

Part of the reason the autism label has become so common or seems to be applied so widely or inappropriately is due to money, certain incentives and benefits which varies depending on the person.

In the USA you can get a SSI check for a kid if he’s autistic. In the past SSI kid benefits required pretty straight forward issues - kid was blind, required a wheelchair, had CF, was retarded, etc.. but since autism is such a grey area that is diagnosed via observed behaviors it was open season for shady or manipulative parents. Sadly, many of the effects of neglect and abuse can mimic some autism traits so it’s win win for shitty abusive parents just chasing a check. On the other side of the coin many parents who didn’t want the “mental retardation” label applied to their kid fought to have it diagnosed as autism - and it helped them get better therapy and schooling for their child as well. Many doctors went along with it knowing the kid would get better treatment in a autism program than what’s available to a kid Dx with mental retardation.

Teens and adults? If you get an autism diagnosis you get extra help in school, tutoring, more time for tests, more leeway etc.. In the adult world this can mean different accommodations in the workplace that wouldn’t be allowed without a Dx and some safety from being fired for certain things because discrimination can be claimed.

These are just reasons that the label of autism has been misused or misapplied in some cases which adds to the overall confusion on this absolutely huge spectrum of people that the label gets applied to - either correctly or incorrectly.

 

[Android raptor]

Teens and adults? If you get an autism diagnosis you get extra help in school, tutoring, more time for tests, more leeway etc.. In the adult world this can mean different accommodations in the workplace that wouldn’t be allowed without a Dx and some safety from being fired for certain things because discrimination can be claimed.

I'll try not to powerlevel too much, but damn I wish that was the case. Maybe some autists get that kinda stuff, but that definitely wasn't my experience or the experience of other autists I know.

A lot of "autism specialists" actually don't know shit about autism, and I think I've mentioned that a lot of sped teachers are terrible people. So you have shit like kids who are severely depressed being told by supposed experts that they're just being lazy or stubborn or kids even being blamed for being abused by adults. The reality of what it is to be a kid with an autism diagnosis in the school system is a lot different than what people assume.

 

[A Detachable Penis]

Autism is just a collection of random other disorders all shoved together for the sake of insurance money. Which means not everyone even has the same damn collection of disorders/symptoms.

To be fair, though, the same issue can have a wide spectrum like fine and gross motor delays.

 

[MysticMisty]

The problem is that autism is so widely encompassing now when it used to be very specific. A long time ago you had to be a nonverbal, pants shitting retard in ordered to be considered even possibly autistic. You also had to show very weird/specific behaviors before you were no longer just a run-of-the-mill retard. We're talking "only likes to spin the upper right tire of red trucks and screams if we even ask if he wants to do something else" specific and weird. And now it includes "that kind of weird guy in his 30's who's only hobby is bird watching" and otherwise passed as normal his whole life. And on top of that you now have the self diagnosed fakers trying to include normal hobbies and interests under "autistic special interests" in order to justify their bullshit self diagnoses.

 

[GenociderSyo]

I've worked with a young man with Charge Syndrome. He'd been deemed a picky eater even though he had a disorder which caused choking. An issue with Charge Syndrome is they choke VERY VERY easily. Someone had to sit with him during every meal and put thickener in his drink and make sure he actually took small bites. He still choked on 90% of the bites he took.

In terms of Autism, I've found the services go to what i refer to as "Jenny McCarthy Autism" the ones who are just brats whose parents whine the loudest who were diagnosed by some random doctor and not a neurologist. Children with actual neurological autism (especially girls) don't tend to get their needs met as much. Same with ADD/ADHD.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

Part of the reason the autism label has become so common or seems to be applied so widely or inappropriately is due to money, certain incentives and benefits which varies depending on the person.

In the USA you can get a SSI check for a kid if he’s autistic. In the past SSI kid benefits required pretty straight forward issues - kid was blind, required a wheelchair, had CF, was retarded, etc.. but since autism is such a grey area that is diagnosed via observed behaviors it was open season for shady or manipulative parents. Sadly, many of the effects of neglect and abuse can mimic some autism traits so it’s win win for shitty abusive parents just chasing a check. On the other side of the coin many parents who didn’t want the “mental retardation” label applied to their kid fought to have it diagnosed as autism - and it helped them get better therapy and schooling for their child as well. Many doctors went along with it knowing the kid would get better treatment in a autism program than what’s available to a kid Dx with mental retardation.

Teens and adults? If you get an autism diagnosis you get extra help in school, tutoring, more time for tests, more leeway etc.. In the adult world this can mean different accommodations in the workplace that wouldn’t be allowed without a Dx and some safety from being fired for certain things because discrimination can be claimed.

These are just reasons that the label of autism has been misused or misapplied in some cases which adds to the overall confusion on this absolutely huge spectrum of people that the label gets applied to - either correctly or incorrectly.

That isnt quite accurate. You still need to meet a childhood disability listing for autism. A diagnosis doesn't mean automatic benefits, as there are blind people that still have problems qualifying for ssdi.

This is the criteria for autism for children.

https://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/112.00-MentalDisorders-Childhood.htm#112_10

If you think that a diagnosis = automatic tugboat, you are mistaken. Nothing about the ssa is an easy and straightforward process. And like adults, kids are also subject to cdrs (continuing disability review).

Source: I mod a ss forum so I have to know all this stuff

 

[Mother puss bucket]

Autism is likely increasing due to technology. It's easier to put your kid on an ipad instead of teaching them social interactions. It's a push from both sides of the fence. Doctors like the additional profits while mostly functional people aren't raised properly and end up with high functioning autism as the label goes. Chris is a prime example of the later.

 

[Android raptor]

That isnt quite accurate. You still need to meet a childhood disability listing for autism. A diagnosis doesn't mean automatic benefits, as there are blind people that still have problems qualifying for ssdi.

This is the criteria for autism for children.

https://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/112.00-MentalDisorders-Childhood.htm#112_10

If you think that a diagnosis = automatic tugboat, you are mistaken. Nothing about the ssa is an easy and straightforward process. And like adults, kids are also subject to cdrs (continuing disability review).

Source: I mod a ss forum so I have to know all this stuff

Yep, especially in red States. Even very obviously disabled people have to fight for years to get on disability. A diagnosis doesn't even remotely mean automatic benefits.

Shit, even the parents in this thread seem to have more success making money by grifting prolifers or blogging about their spuds than they do with getting benefits.

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

There have been cases of children with extreme avoidant eating disorders developing vitamin deficiencies and other health problems as a result of their disordered eating. This is an article written by a pediatrician who had to take care of a toddler like this. He refused all food except teething biscuits and sweetened chamomile tea, leading to a raft of vitamin and protein deficiency health problems. He was born to drug-addicted parents who later lost custody of him, and the doctor believes that his condition was caused by in-utero substance exposure and abuse in the home before he was transferred to his grandmother's care. He had a lot of other behavioral and developmental problems on top of the food issue.

I do think there are a lot of excuses made for picky eater children who are given Happy Meals to placate them, but there are clinical food-avoidant disorders that can lead to serious health issues without intervention. Medicalizing and validating normal picky eating in children glosses over the severe cases.

 

[Allo Vera]

There was a teenage boy in the U.K. who lost his sight because he only ate chips and crisps, plus the occasional slice of bread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49551337

 

[Mother puss bucket]

There was a teenage boy in the U.K. who lost his sight because he only ate chips and crisps, plus the occasional slice of bread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49551337

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dead-at-20--the-boy-who-574249

One died from a similar diet

 

[MetalParakeet]

I read an article lately about a mom who was pissed that a company wasn't going to sell a certain type of snack food anymore.

"It's all my kid will eat" Yada Yada.

Meanwhile kid looked to be of average weight. And honestly, if her kid is ONLY able to eat a non nutritious snack food...she should be seeking extreme medical help, not whining to tabloids about how sooper mean the company is.

Anyway what pissed me off was that enough people were all "poor baby" for the company to kick back this product back into limited production, just to supply this dumb bitch with a ton of sugary snacks for her stupid kid.

Now I work in manufacturing and while I'm sure it was a great publicity stunt for the company, I can tell you that it put a lot of work on the already underpaid floor workers. You can't just kick out a food product and then decide to implement it again for one last go without a LOT of fucking preparation and work.

I bet every 14 dollar an hour sucker on that production line was cursing this mom and her spoiled brat

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

That isnt quite accurate. You still need to meet a childhood disability listing for autism. A diagnosis doesn't mean automatic benefits, as there are blind people that still have problems qualifying for ssdi.

This is the criteria for autism for children.

https://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/112.00-MentalDisorders-Childhood.htm#112_10

If you think that a diagnosis = automatic tugboat, you are mistaken. Nothing about the ssa is an easy and straightforward process. And like adults, kids are also subject to cdrs (continuing disability review).

Source: I mod a ss forum so I have to know all this stuff

I’m not sure why every time tugboats are mentioned there has to be several posts about how it’s not so easy to get. Obviously govt programs make people jump through hoops and deal with bullshit to get approved for benefits and denials are common. (By the way total congenital blindness is one of the few disabilities that does get automatic approval - but degrees of legal blindness is different)

I never said autism automatically got someone a SSI check, but it one of the disorders that is on the big list of disabilities that mean you can qualify for it and that is why some parents pursue the diagnosis. When cash welfare benefits were effectively ended in the 1990’s a lot more people began seeking cash benefits via the federal SSI programs instead.

(Getting a “nut check” a SSI check for mental illness was a long standing scam/tradition in white trash circles for years until the govt got a lot stricter about qualifying for them. Hell, in the 1970’s being a drug addict could get you a disability check, but that came to an end in the 1980’s)

The jump in SSI claims after the old welfare programs were ended was staggering. The effect was basically incentivizing disabilities for families who needed a way to replaces lost welfare benefits and weren’t interested in the “welfare to work” stuff*. A disability meant a steady, no strings attached, monthly check and that’s a huge deal to a poor family. The fact that many of these families are also on Medicaid mean they are able to doctor shop at no cost to try and find a doctor that gives them whatever Dx they are seeking for themselves or their kids to get a Dx that can qualify them for SSI benefits. They will doggedly stay at it for years if necessary.

The article below encapsulates perfectly the particular phenomenon I’m referring to. Four generations of a poor family on disability benefits. The article details the parents pushing hard to get the youngest children Dx with autism so that they can receive SSI checks too and being very angry with doctors for not Dx the child with autism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2017/06/02/generations-disabled/

Obviously this is just one segment of the population but it’s had the effect of mudding the waters with autism (and other disabilities) because you have people seeking a Dx foremost because they want/need money. In other cases families seek the Dx not so much for the money but due to the expanded services that an autism Dx can qualify a child for - OT, PT, respite care, special schools, etc... are all things that are possible to qualify for if you get that Dx.

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*Ironically Misty Henry is an example of welfare to work. Lol. Misty spent fifteen years getting useless certificates and going to job training to keep getting welfare benefits. Ironically she probably should have just gotten SSI for being a legit schizo that cannot hold a job. Finally she did get SSI (and brags about it a lot because it’s a flex in her world) after wasting everyone’s time in the welfare to work hamster wheel.

 

[MysticMisty]

Autism is likely increasing due to technology. It's easier to put your kid on an ipad instead of teaching them social interactions. It's a push from both sides of the fence. Doctors like the additional profits while mostly functional people aren't raised properly and end up with high functioning autism as the label goes. Chris is a prime example of the later.

Yes and no. This sort of thing artificially raises the rate, but it's not going to be true autism, which is an entirely different beast.

To give an example, put five children the same age in a room, all of them have what's considered too much time on tablets everyday, and give all of them the exact same car and let them go nuts. Kid 1 declares his car to be the fastest and starts racing with it. Kid 2 insists his car is actually the fastest and starts racing his too. They might fight, or maybe they'll play together. Kid 3 decides to make his car jump gaps and do other tricks and stunts. Kid 4 decides she'd rather pretend to go on a road trip and does so.

Kid 5 on the other hand ignores everybody else. He holds his car upside-down and spins a wheel, just one. And stares at that one wheel. He may make some noises, but not car noises, or recognizable "normal" noises, and definitely not pretend conversation. If one of the other kids invites him to race, or do tricks, or join their pretend road trip he completely ignores them. If one of them does something like spin the "wrong" wheel he screams.

A hack could diagnose all five with autism, but only one is genuinely autistic. The rest either have parents looking for free money, or just need more socialization.

 

[Ted Kaczynski]

After reading this thread I have decided to do as much preventative research as possible to make sure my children don't come out all fucked up. Luckily neither my girlfriend nor I have subhuman genetics, Although I think much of the weird defects the people in this thread give birth to are due to having babies when you're fucking 50 as opposed to 20

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

There was a teenage boy in the U.K. who lost his sight because he only ate chips and crisps, plus the occasional slice of bread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49551337

That’s really sad.

After reading this thread I have decided to do as much preventative research as possible to make sure my children don't come out all fucked up. Luckily neither my girlfriend nor I have subhuman genetics, Although I think much of the weird defects the people in this thread give birth to are due to having babies when you're fucking 50 as opposed to 20

Hate to tell you this, but autism can be random with no history, and there are many other disorders that follow the same thing. Cancer for example. While some cancers can be genetic, others just occur due to random mutations. Not only that but you can be healthy your whole life and the boom, and accident or random illness does you in.

now, what these subjects do is have babies that are incompatible with life mostly and just go through with having a kid because reasons. Whether religious, or to be seen as a crusader/martyr, etc. there’s no way Gwen could have known beforehand that her second kid had a rare, genetic disease. But she went through the pregnancy, and had another kid and wrote hateful letters to the dr who quite rightly, told her the girls wouldn’t live long. It’s messed up.

 

[Dammit Jim]

Luckily neither my girlfriend nor I have subhuman genetics,

Unless you've taken genetic tests you can't know that. Also, you're on Kiwifarms. You're at least a little subhuman.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Unless you've taken genetic tests you can't know that. Also, you're on Kiwifarms. You're at least a little subhuman.

That make a good right hand corner text : "Kiwifarms: We're all a little sub-human here."