The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Oh wow, you're right. That's such a great argument for murdering babies. People used to do it, so why not keep doing it? Bravo.

Not as such.


Baby-killing, yes.


Who the fuck is starving to death in North America? We're all dying of being too fucking fat, unless you're counting anorexics and junkies. You're also assuming that every unwanted child is going to have a terrible life with absolutely no evidence to support that. All you're saying is that if you had an unwanted child you would starve it or worse.
Because we have a social safety net and nobody is starving.

Also i never said every unwanted child is going to have a terrible life. Or that i would starve a child. These are just things that happened regularly in human history before birth control, abortion or welfare

Really funny your kind hate women so much but act like the most overdramatic queens possible when it comes to stuff like this
 
Because we have a social safety net and nobody is starving.
Then why did you bring up starving? Assume that emotional appeals based on no evidence aren't going to work against people who are convinced you support infanticide.
Also i never said every unwanted child is going to have a terrible life. Or that i would starve a child. These are just things that happened regularly in human history before birth control, abortion or welfare
Why wouldn't you starve a child if you couldn't afford to keep it? You seem to be fine with killing it when it's in the womb on the assumption that the mother will never be able to support it sufficiently. What makes it wrong after it's born?

I'm fine with birth control and (limited) welfare. I'd even be fine with taxpayer-funded, voluntary sterilisation of women who either don't want children or don't want any more children.
 
Then why did you bring up starving? Assume that emotional appeals based on no evidence aren't going to work against people who are convinced you support infanticide.

Why wouldn't you starve a child if you couldn't afford to keep it? You seem to be fine with killing it when it's in the womb on the assumption that the mother will never be able to support it sufficiently. What makes it wrong after it's born?

I'm fine with birth control and (limited) welfare. I'd even be fine with taxpayer-funded, voluntary sterilisation of women who either don't want children or don't want any more children.
Because a week old embryo isn't the same thing as a newborn
 
Because a week old embryo isn't the same thing as a newborn
You can say it until you're blue in the face but it doesn't change the fact that, barring some biological event or a trauma to the mother, that embryo is a human embryo and it's 9 months away from being a newborn. You talk about the developmental stages as if they're distinct entities when they're more like the marks on a ruler; if I asked you to hand me "an inch" you'd be hard-pressed to hand me anything at all, but if I asked you to cut me six inches of lumber you could start from zero and make your way up quite handily.

Now, if I asked you to cut me 1/16th of an inch of lumber would you honestly try to tell me that 1/16th of an inch of lumber isn't, after all, a piece of lumber? That's what "an embryo" is; a unit of measurement concerned with the development of a life. In the case of human embryos the thing to be measured is human life.

I know, I know, it's not that simple. We're talking about life here, not lumber! They're not the same thing at all! One of them is prec.. Well, it's impo... Well, in any case, it's not the same because something something bodily autonomy.
 
You can say it until you're blue in the face but it doesn't change the fact that, barring some biological event or a trauma to the mother, that embryo is a human embryo and it's 9 months away from being a newborn. You talk about the developmental stages as if they're distinct entities when they're more like the marks on a ruler; if I asked you to hand me "an inch" you'd be hard-pressed to hand me anything at all, but if I asked you to cut me six inches of lumber you could start from zero and make your way up quite handily.

Now, if I asked you to cut me 1/16th of an inch of lumber would you honestly try to tell me that 1/16th of an inch of lumber isn't, after all, a piece of lumber? That's what "an embryo" is; a unit of measurement concerned with the development of a life. In the case of human embryos the thing to be measured is human life.

I know, I know, it's not that simple. We're talking about life here, not lumber! They're not the same thing at all! One of them is prec.. Well, it's impo... Well, in any case, it's not the same because something something bodily autonomy.
A week old embryo cannot feel pain and has no awareness. Not even comparable to a week old infant.
Everyone fucking knows this and you just pretend not to.

I didn't read the rest of your post because detailed hypotheticals are gay and autistic.

Also I know you're going to say next "BUT PEOPLE IN A COMA DON'T FEEL ANYTHING EITHER"

instead of typing that, consider fucking yourself with a pineapple
 
A week old embryo cannot feel pain and has no awareness. Not even comparable to a week old infant.
Everyone fucking knows this and you just pretend not to.
I'm well aware of your justifications for infanticide but I don't care. I don't think it's moral to kill people just because they're unable to feel pain, that's monstrous.
I didn't read the rest of your post because detailed hypotheticals are gay and autistic.
"Stop trying to make me understand that killing babies is wrong! I JUST LOVE IT SO MUUUUCCCHHH hhhhrrrrngh!"
 
I'm well aware of your justifications for infanticide but I don't care. I don't think it's moral to kill people just because they're unable to feel pain, that's monstrous.

"Stop trying to make me understand that killing babies is wrong! I JUST LOVE IT SO MUUUUCCCHHH hhhhrrrrngh!"
An embryo isn't a person.
 
I wouldn't mind abortion so much, because I know in some cases it's needed, but you can only watch so many women practically worship it and act like it's this brave and moral and beautiful gift from the heavens and act like anyone who questions that thought process wants women enslaved before going "yeah, no".
 
I think we have biological desire for ice cream as well. People gonna eat ice cream.

Not eating ice cream doesn't mean you wake up in the middle of the night because you're so horny that you can't sleep. Ice cream doesn't consume every teenage males thoughts 24/7
 
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they're against both welfare
Not against welfare, am against the welfare state that cripples communities with virulent dependence on the state and contributes to the corrosion of cultural strength. Have engaged in initiatives to support pregnant women so they're less inclined to abort their children due to a sense of helplessness. You have to continue this farce that not only entails the fiction that welfare is relevant to the morality of killing a child, but that pro-life proponents don't care about the welfare of children, because you're under the belief that this bolsters your point.

they're against both welfare and abortion and the alternative to that is actual infants who can fully feel pain, comprehend things being slowly starved to death or WORSE.
Whether they can feel pain is irrelevant to both the matter of "bodily autonomy" that you supposedly champion and the fact that they're being grievously murdered.

If this is all about "bodily autonomy" and the choice of a woman in bearing a child (and presumably, raising said child after birth), then it is absolutely irrelevant when the child is killed or whether they feel pain. Whether they're a zygote being vacuumed out, an embryo being scrambled like an egg, a fetus being dismembered, or a newborn being left on a cliff to die of exposure, it would not matter if the actual concern is "bodily autonomy". And by this metric of "pain", you indirectly argue that it would be okay to kill anyone as long as you could dope them up first so they wouldn't even realize what's happening to them-- alternatively, it would be okay to kill someone who happens to have a deficiency that prevents them from feeling pain, hunger, and/or thirst.

It's not as though I can't appreciate that you're arguing that abortion accessibility accomplishes X and also Y-- it's that you extol X such that Y is irrelevant to the point that Y's invocation is farcical and put on.
 
Not against welfare, am against the welfare state that cripples communities with virulent dependence on the state and contributes to the corrosion of cultural strength. Have engaged in initiatives to support pregnant women so they're less inclined to abort their children due to a sense of helplessness. You have to continue this farce that not only entails the fiction that welfare is relevant to the morality of killing a child, but that pro-life proponents don't care about the welfare of children, because you're under the belief that this bolsters your point.
So you're against welfare, then, but want women to have to suffer consequences for having sex with men who aren't you.

It's obvious you're an incel. My offer to help you get laid still stands, maybe then you'll chill out a bit
 
Not against welfare, am against the welfare state that cripples communities with virulent dependence on the state and contributes to the corrosion of cultural strength. Have engaged in initiatives to support pregnant women so they're less inclined to abort their children due to a sense of helplessness. You have to continue this farce that not only entails the fiction that welfare is relevant to the morality of killing a child, but that pro-life proponents don't care about the welfare of children, because you're under the belief that this bolsters your point.


Whether they can feel pain is irrelevant to both the matter of "bodily autonomy" that you supposedly champion and the fact that they're being grievously murdered.

If this is all about "bodily autonomy" and the choice of a woman in bearing a child (and presumably, raising said child after birth), then it is absolutely irrelevant when the child is killed or whether they feel pain. Whether they're a zygote being vacuumed out, an embryo being scrambled like an egg, a fetus being dismembered, or a newborn being left on a cliff to die of exposure, it would not matter if the actual concern is "bodily autonomy". And by this metric of "pain", you indirectly argue that it would be okay to kill anyone as long as you could dope them up first so they wouldn't even realize what's happening to them-- alternatively, it would be okay to kill someone who happens to have a deficiency that prevents them from feeling pain, hunger, and/or thirst.

It's not as though I can't appreciate that you're arguing that abortion accessibility accomplishes X and also Y-- it's that you extol X such that Y is irrelevant to the point that Y's invocation is farcical and put on.
You're not smart lol
 
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