Lolcow Leonard F. Shaner II - Discussion Edition and Now With Less Autism (see the OP)

I was under the impression that Null was able to throttle IPs, not users. If that was the case, @The_Knight_Rider and @Photographer would be equally useless unless Len changed his IP through TOR, which appears to be the consensus atm.

Of course he's able to do it, I'm just not sure he actually is doing it. And as pointed out, Len apparently uses tor. Whether or not he changes it on purpose, it will change from time to time, and it's pretty simple to change anyway even for a moron like Len. There's a button for it.
 
I just don't see how all of this is going to end well for Len. Eventually he's gonna bust on the wrong person and it's not gonna be pretty. I almost feel bad for him because there's no real end game to all of this. Surely he's not delusional enough to think that the Colebrookdale is just going to call him up one day and make him the president.
 
there's no real end game to all of this.
What if Len gets thrown in jail? Is his form of identity theft, impersonation, and trespassing just something that will be punished with heavy fines? (I know absolutely 0 about legal shit, apologies.)
 
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Finally a place to talk about actual Shaner without the shitposting.
Since the other thread departed from its station, we've a lot of railroad fans joining the farms. Some are foamers, others just happen to like trains.
Anyway, I really don't want to go off the tracks here, so, I wonder if these members are going to stay around after Shaner gets in jail (or simply fades away)?.
Nothing wrong with them being around as long as they are not like certain Walking_stomach guy.
Speaking of which, just me or most foamers are basiclly a Shaner but a bit different?, like trains from the same model but with different spare parts or something.
 
I thought I would repost this art by @Ash Burgers since it's now 100 pages back and not on Zim's initial post yet, and it's awesome
Well, I have been saving this the last couple of days as I didn't want to interrupt while the lawyer stuff was going down, but I did draw some fan art.

Ninja'd by @BOLDYSPICY! with some arts while I typed this!

Now Len's a cartoon character like the rest of us.

Also can anyone link the first post Zim made, before Shaner got his own thread? I think it was in Personal Lolcows?
 
I was sort of on the fence about starting a second thread for Shaner at first but after the last couple of days of him tard raging and shit posting I'm all aboard (heh heh heh). He's absolutely done something to change his IP if Null IP crippled him. I believe this is only going to be to his detriment since the more angry he gets the more he's apt to do stuff irl it seems. He's dropped a disturbing amount of personal information on a lot of people with @Pocket_Sand! getting the brunt of it. I have no idea if this is going to come back and bite Shaner in the ass but if it does it's going to be pretty hard.

@meltychocolate Here you go! Oh the memories.
 
What if Len gets thrown in jail? Is his form of identity theft, impersonation, and trespassing just something that will be punished with heavy fines? (I know absolutely 0 about legal shit, apologies.)
I'm trying to remember what was said when the autism settled and people started rationalizing Len's stupidity, but I believe it was something along the lines of this:

Len is currently charged with trespassing and counts of reckless endangerment. If Len keeps his head down and actually hires a lawyer, he'll probably get a couple of fines and community service, but he probably won't go to jail.

Len can possibly be charged with harassment, witness intimidation, and identity theft, but this purely relies on the people who have be affected by Len's sperging going out and filing charging against Len, and as creepy of a fucker as he is, it's likely that most people have better things to do than spend time and money bringing an idiot to court over his idiocy.

Basically, like the Chris sperging when he was arrested for the BLAAAARMS and pepper spray, most everyone that's saying that Len is gonna go to jail are probably joking. Len has very little chance of actually seeing jail time unless he has the mother of all autism spaz attacks leading up to his actual trial and does something stupid enough to get charged for contempt of court or even worse.

But if you wanted something to be optimistic about, Len seems far more autistic than Chris, so we night have that brilliant display come court day.
 
Are people able to make sense of the lawyer situation yet? Last I checked, Saul Goodman had contacted Hy's son and it was still somewhat unclear if Hy's account had been hacked and/or if he was really representing Shaner. If he's not representing Shaner, it's pretty likely that Shaner is representing himself, right?
 
Are people able to make sense of the lawyer situation yet? Last I checked, Saul Goodman had contacted Hy's son and it was still somewhat unclear if Hy's account had been hacked and/or if he was really representing Shaner. If he's not representing Shaner, it's pretty likely that Shaner is representing himself, right?

I think Saul said that Hy isn't representing Shaner via contact with Hy's son. It would be really stupid if Shaner was representing himself so he probably has a public defender. However if you look at his docket it still shows that he doesn't have one. Who knows when these things are updated though so I'm still going with the public defender idea just so I don't giggle myself to death at the idea of him defending himself.
 
Are people able to make sense of the lawyer situation yet?
From what I gathered, People were pretty sure Hy's account was legitimate since in its archives there were videos (?) of himself and not Shaner. I think Shaner hacked it recently and is currently impersonating him. As for if Hy is representing Shaner, I don't know. Probably not, since what Len is threatening to sue with has nothing to do with physical injury which is what I think Hy's job is concerned with IIRC.

Somebody (edit: Saul) had contacted Hy's son and confirmed that Hy is aware of the hacking. It's unclear what the result of that will be.
 
From what I gathered, People were pretty sure Hy's account was legitimate since in its archives there were videos (?) of himself and not Shaner. I think Shaner hacked it recently and is currently impersonating him. As for if Hy is representing Shaner, I don't know. Probably not, since what Len is threatening to sue with has nothing to do with physical injury which is what I think Hy's job is concerned with IIRC.

Somebody (edit: Saul) had contacted Hy's son and confirmed that Hy is aware of the hacking. It's unclear what the result of that will be.
I believe it was also noted that Mayerson's Facebook profile stops commenting in defense of Len shortly after Saul brought it up with Mayerson's son.
 
Basically, like the Chris sperging when he was arrested for the BLAAAARMS and pepper spray, most everyone that's saying that Len is gonna go to jail are probably joking. Len has very little chance of actually seeing jail time unless he has the mother of all autism spaz attacks leading up to his actual trial and does something stupid enough to get charged for contempt of court or even worse.

Mostly joking, but Len has acted far worse than Chris. Chris has actually had the sense to limit his sperging, and other than a couple really dumb early posts, has mostly been quiet about it. Len has not only sperged constantly, but has specifically harassed the very people he's on trial over, including witnesses, while waiting for it.

They're both pretty likely to get off, but of the two, Len is more likely to fuck up bigtime (or already to have done so).
 
As far as existing discussion goes, in the early days of the Shanger thread people were discussing why he was attracted to trains. The genearly consensus was that trains are always predictable, on rails, and on schedule, so trains would naturally attract autists. What do you guys think?
 
I'm trying to remember what was said when the autism settled and people started rationalizing Len's stupidity, but I believe it was something along the lines of this:

Len is currently charged with trespassing and counts of reckless endangerment. If Len keeps his head down and actually hires a lawyer, he'll probably get a couple of fines and community service, but he probably won't go to jail.

Len can possibly be charged with harassment, witness intimidation, and identity theft, but this purely relies on the people who have be affected by Len's sperging going out and filing charging against Len, and as creepy of a fucker as he is, it's likely that most people have better things to do than spend time and money bringing an idiot to court over his idiocy.

Basically, like the Chris sperging when he was arrested for the BLAAAARMS and pepper spray, most everyone that's saying that Len is gonna go to jail are probably joking. Len has very little chance of actually seeing jail time unless he has the mother of all autism spaz attacks leading up to his actual trial and does something stupid enough to get charged for contempt of court or even worse.

But if you wanted something to be optimistic about, Len seems far more autistic than Chris, so we night have that brilliant display come court day.
Didn't Shaner physically attacked someone just because he thought that person was a kiwi?. I really think that's the kind of stuff that gets you in lots of trouble, especially when they ask why he did it and replies "He's a cyber bully, spreading lies in the internet, I'm sure it's him because he has a cartoon avatar!".
My point is, this site seriously get Shaner pumped up, now imagine real life, people talking and accusing him on the hearing, I'm sure he'll at least threat someone and it would be awesome if the police hears him.
 
What if Len gets thrown in jail? Is his form of identity theft, impersonation, and trespassing just something that will be punished with heavy fines? (I know absolutely 0 about legal shit, apologies.)

Trespassing is just a small fine and he's not even being charged with impersonation, but the big problem for Len is the three class 2 reckless endangerment charges. A class 2 misdemeanor is punishable by 1 to 2 years in jail and up to a $5,000.00 fine. I have no idea how these penalties stack up or what kind of a plea deal he'll get but hopefully our Kiwi legal department can weigh in. I'd like to think that trying to start a trainwreck and endangering the safety of multiple people results in at least a little bit of time in the pen.
 
My point is, this site seriously get Shaner pumped up, now imagine real life, people talking and accusing him on the hearing, I'm sure he'll at least threat someone and it would be awesome if the police hears him.

Like a lot of ITGs, his actual behavior might be dampened by the actual physical presence of other people. OTOH, he did have to be clocked by someone with a lantern because he tried to attack him. So unlike many of these tards, he may be violent in person, if ineffectual.

Trespassing is just a small fine and he's not even being charged with impersonation, but the big problem for Len is the three class 2 reckless endangerment charges. A class 2 misdemeanor is punishable by 1 to 2 years in jail and up to a $5,000.00 fine. I have no idea how these penalties stack up or what kind of a plea deal he'll get but hopefully our Kiwi legal department can weigh in.

I gave this some thought, but I'd have to know the actual details of what happened to say much more. Basically, the big deal with multiple convictions is whether the sentence is concurrent or consecutive.

When multiple counts have one negative result, they're usually concurrent. Say, for instance, you commit insurance fraud about an event that never happened, and in the course of it, file five separate bogus documents. Each one is a separate count, but sentencing is likely to be concurrent.

Instead, say you detonate a device that kills three people. There, the single act also results in three counts of murder, but the sentencing is likely to be consecutive, because the act is more culpable for having harmed three people.

This isn't a hard and fast rule and there are other considerations, but whether it's eligible for that would have a lot to do with exactly why there are three counts and not just one.

Also, they're unlikely to sentence him to any term of incarceration, and even if they do, the prosecutor and judge would have to be serious hardasses to even consider making them consecutive in the absence of some really heinous aspect to the thing.
 
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