They'll just get a job in a place that gives a shit about cops.
Don;t forget about the collaborators and reporters for pats on the back.
That's the 'tyranny' part of Anarcho-Tyranny, the ATF gun grab squads and such are still going to exist to hammer any nails sticking out. It's just that you won't even get basic law and order maintenance anymore.
Yeah, again- not saying stop restraint. Im saying "oh whoa, Ill take my knee off his neck, his breathing is getting more shallow, oh gee, I hope the three other guys with me are going to be able to keep this guy down". Don't create a false dichotomy of "Its either he restrains him with knee on neck, or he lets the dude run off" That disingenious.
Strawman. Not arguing that people don't fake things, but again- find another way to restrain the dude if hes losing oxygen.
Yeah, but you're missing the point- is the officer doing everything within their power to control and mitigate the situation? If so, theyre doing their job. His breathing gets more and more shallow and you continue because, apparently to you, protocol is to keep knee on neck endlessly, regardless of changing circumstances, and to in no way or form change tactics, even to the point of having a dude inch closer and closer to death and then die on you? "Im sorry you can't breathe, your voice is getting more and more faint and you're crying, but I absolutely cannot under any circumstances take my knee off your neck". Nowhere, I promise you, no manual has training like that.
Sorry man, but if you don't think there was any other possible way to mitigate the situation once his breathing got progressivly worse, thats dumb as fuck.
See, thats the big difference. I don't think he murdered him. But I do see that he def fucked up in how he handled the situation, especially knowing that cops are trained to adjust their behavior depending and do have multiple ways to restrain a guy.
I do, but you also need to accept that even an idiot like Chauvin should know better than to freeze on camera with his knee on the dudes neck for multiple minutes, when bystanders are screaming at you to get up, the guys chocking and it should be obvious is losing breath, and even your fellow cops are saying "dude, this is bad, I think we need to get this guy some air".
Now you're just talking out of your ass.
They initially wanted to call it "nigger having a fucking drugged-out tardrage" but someone likely had a conniption about that
I don't know; but I do know that there have been multiple campaigns for years to try and get rid of knee-on-neck holds, numerous similar cases, and its banned in a lot of nations due to safety issues
No EMT with two braincells to rub together is going to make that scene without police escort, junkies pull all kinds of insane shit on EMTs and first responders
I don't know what the safest method is; but I know knee on neck is pretty risky and can fathom that having three other guys sit on him and just avoiding his neck might be a bit better, even on the pr;
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Great, so you agree there was no racism, as Chauvin was literally 100% by the book.
Police are not legally required to protect you. Nor is it reasonable for them to be expected to rectify incredibly bad decisions, such as swallowing an incredibly large quantity of fentanyl, at personal risk. The only thing differently they could have done is had naloxone on hand, but again, cops failing to save you after you fuck up badly is not a crime. Floyd is no different than the people who take a pontoon boat into a hurricane and drown before the coast guard can save them or the obese quadruple bypass that doctors can't resuscitate - having a professional group does not exempt you from self-responsibilty.
Yes. Wild tripping junkies can wig out and lash out at anyone. We had a fellow student at my dive school flip out from a bad batch of synthetic marijuana and try beating someone to death with a bottle of medical O2. It took five guys to restrain and pull him out of the Trout river during peak flow. I'm sure the cops policy is based around officer safety.
He might get convicted, which makes it even worse because he did do everything to keep Floyd alive: he restrained him, called for an ambulance, and did his best to keep the situation calm. The knee was not restricting airflow, because as you might not know, strangled people can't scream for minutes about not being able to breathe.
"Restrain until medical help arrives."
My rules for riots: shot of Jameson every molotov. You guys in with me? My liver cant do it alone!
No, I don't think this was 100% by the book. I think that Minneapolis allows for knee-on-neck; but the notion that "once you start a technique to subdue someone, you cannot stop or switch techniques" is certainly not something any police force would teach; that just seems, stupid? Once it became clear that the guy was having trouble breathing, I think the obvious thing to have done was not freeze, not refuse to use another technique, but dunno, maybe sit the guy upright? If you can't do that, turn him over? Hell, sit on each of his limbs if you want, you've got four guys.
They could have saved his life with that; but the issue here is- they don't know if hes overdosing, how much fentanyl he took, if its a fatal dose, or whats wrong. They can see delerium and after a certain point, even the other officers noticed that he was having a difficult time breathing. You don't have to save someone's life, but as an officer, once someone is in your custody- you do have to show that you did everything within your power that was reasonable to try, and everything reasonable to not worsen the situation. What is and isn't reasonable is a matter of legal intepretation; but I think most people would probably see keeping your knee on the dudes neck and utterly freezing up in maybe switching to another technique as a lapse in judgement.
I don't think he did do everything to keep Floyd alive. I do think, once its becoming clear that hes losing his ability to breathe youre either going to want to get him off his back, or sit him upright. I get that junkies can sperg out, but you are still obligated to try and find a non-fatal tactic when the situation does change, and considering the other cops were saying "dude, maybe you should get off his neck" that seems like something that was within Chauvin's power to do.
Yeah, again- strawman because not saying "just let him go, give him a cookie and a hug" but keep the guy restrained, take your knee off his neck.
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