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When was the last time RvB was good?

  • Before RWBY

    Votes: 61 62.9%
  • Season 10

    Votes: 22 22.7%
  • Season 11

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Season 12

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Season 13

    Votes: 10 10.3%
  • Season 14

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • Before RvB Zero

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • Total voters
    97
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Michael was my favorite member of RT, bar none, and I watched all of his LtMKilla videos including the ones with Lindsay
Michael is one of my favorites too, although once when I was watching a video from his channel he started yelling and swearing about how stupid his audience was and how much he hates them. That is completely in character for him and all but something about it rubbed me the wrong way and I don't think I've been to his channel since

...Yes, there are. Have you not heard of hypothyroidism? One of its trademark symptoms is weight gain with low appetite; literally fat people who are barely eating, to paraphrase you. There's a million other factors that can cause a person who is eating healthily and with normal portions to still gain weight or be big
Or you know, she's just fat. Is there any reason to believe otherwise? Like I understand that those things you mentioned can happen but I think you're just giving her the benefit of the doubt
 
Michael is one of my favorites too, although once when I was watching a video from his channel he started yelling and swearing about how stupid his audience was and how much he hates them. That is completely in character for him and all but something about it rubbed me the wrong way and I don't think I've been to his channel since

I vaguely remember seeing something like that, but I don't recall being particularly offended by it, so either I thought it was a bit or thought he was right. I'd have to watch it to say for sure, though.

Or you know, she's just fat. Is there any reason to believe otherwise? Like I understand that those things you mentioned can happen but I think you're just giving her the benefit of the doubt

The point of my post wasn't about Lindsay's weight specifically. I don't know her health situation, nor do I particularly care how much she weighs or why; as far as I'm concerned, having two kids and planning for a third is explanation enough. The point was that the post I replied to was objectively and demonstrably false; weight loss is not as simple as "just eat less lol," and pretending that's the case is just plain stupid. There's plenty of other reasons why someone might gain or maintain weight despite eating healthy, like if they're taking any medication that causes weight gain as a side effect; hypothyroidism was just the first thing I thought of. In any case, I don't really think she needs "benefit of the doubt" here; being fat's not a crime, and like I said, it really doesn't matter to me how much she weighs. I at least find her entertaining, which is more than I can say for some of the other RT girls, like Barbara or Fiona.

Speaking of finding Lindsay entertaining, I just remembered this hilarious Mega64 video of her and Michael at PAX East watching their Bioshock Infinite video (the one where Rocco eats out of the trash), and while Michael is losing his shit, Lindsay just looks fucking horrified the entire time. It takes me out every time I see it.
 
I vaguely remember seeing something like that, but I don't recall being particularly offended by it, so either I thought it was a bit or thought he was right. I'd have to watch it to say for sure, though.
I believe it was from one of his Resident Evil 4 videos. It's not even that I found it particularly offensive it just made me lose interest in the series at the time and I just never went back

The point of my post wasn't about Lindsay's weight specifically.
You said "Lindsay is the kind of person who was meant to be bigger; some people truly cannot get below a certain weight" in an earlier post so of course I assumed you were talking about Lindsay specifically when you started to waffle on about excuses for obesity. Why do you think that she is "meant to be bigger"? Why is it that she "truly cannot get below a certain weight"? Like the vast majority of fat people her weight gain is probably just from overeating and lack of exercise and there isn't really any reason to believe otherwise

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There's a million other factors that can cause a person who is eating healthily and with normal portions to still gain weight or be big
lol name 10 of them then
Shouldn't be too hard since there are AT LEAST a million of them, right?
 
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Calories in vs. calories out is, strictly speaking, the only measure of weight gain or weight loss. You can't skirt the laws of thermodynamics. However, it's not the only factor into how successful people are at it. Some people are just hungry all the time, or have some condition like hypothyroidism which fucks up your body's regulation of weight, and makes you lower energy. Once again, that does not mean someone can break the laws of physics - it just means they'll feel super sluggish unless they eat more than enough, meaning they gain weight.

But those conditions are quite rare, and the fact that obesity was never a problem until refined/processed foods became readily available (and our lifestyles became more sedentary) indicates to me that for most people it is a matter of choosing what to eat. Obviously the fact that those foods are highly addictive and very convenient make it a muddier issue than "lol just eat less", but at the same time, if you're truly motivated... lol just eat less. If Lindsay doesn't care, that's fine. She's allowed to not care. But the chances are she (and almost every other fat person in existence) have the ability to live at a more healthy weight. It may be difficult due to all the reasons I've talked about, but it's totally achievable.
 
the post I replied to was objectively and demonstrably false; weight loss is not as simple as "just eat less lol," and pretending that's the case is just plain stupid. There's plenty of other reasons why someone might gain or maintain weight despite eating healthy, like if they're taking any medication that causes weight gain as a side effect; hypothyroidism was just the first thing I thought of.
Do you think people can just spontaneously generate mass? Body fat has to come from somewhere, it's coming from the shit you're shoving in your mouth. Stop shoving as much shit in your mouth and suddenly you get less fat. Shocking I know. Hyperthyroidism (Hurr autocorrected by phone, this means I'm totally wrong and everything else I say can be disregarded) is one: pretty rare and two: easily treatable. It's not an excuse to become a behemoth, my mother has it and she's rail thin so it's not like motherhood is an excuse either. Lindsay is fat because it's in her nature. Her shitty, shitty nature. She feels she should be recognised and appreciated for who she is and that looks don't matter which is blatantly untrue, if you let yourself go and you look awful on the outside people will judge you for it.
All she and Michael eat is TacoBell and McDonald's, it's not glandular, she's just a fucking lardass.
If you eat less, you will lose weight. That is the end of it.
 
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When I mentioned that pregnant was an excuse to eat “a lot” of food, I meant more shitty food and more than is necessarily needed for a baby. They say a baby only really needs an excess of around 300 calories a day, not an entire 14” inch pizza. That being said, cravings are a bitch etc etc. I understand why it happens.

Anyway though to get the thread a little more on topic here’s what I would do to try and trim the fat from RT as was discussed earlier. This is more with $$ in mind.
  • Let RVB hit one more season so it can get the milestone twenty and then put it to bed. Forget “legacy” fans or whatever. If they’re really only here for RVB they probably aren’t happy with the shambling zombie corpse of it is now anyway. Possibly create a spin off (which Zero practically already was anyway) and actually make it in machinima if they can do it cheap enough
  • At least one RWBY spinoff with actual plot. They announced like three a while ago but iirc they were all corny things like Remnant that will just be backstory. They’ve introduced a million characters in the show, just take one of the one offs (like one of the teams from that old tournament arc or something) and chronicle their journeys, in the same animation style as RWBY, but completely separate story. Milk the RWBY tit but with content that isn’t as superfluous and even has a chance of maybe not sucking.
  • RTAA and AH Animated stay definitely. All other animated shows gone. Seems they have pretty much created their own functioning animation studio now; they can spin that off into shows that they produce separately, like the transformers show that went straight to Netflix.
  • Podcasts all stay, even the shit ones if they’d like. They’re cheap comparatively, especially if they don’t open with a whole set and only buy those things once its popular (like Face Jam) so they can definitely keep on giving it a go with those. When they throw everything to the wall and see what sticks it ends up with a lot of crap but I don’t think they don’t lose much investment wise.
    • Also definitely get a regular gaming podcast going again. Not sure why exactly they had to cancel and rebrand as many times as they did. I think they were always trying to branch out the gaming “news” into a whole element separate from other RT content but I don’t think it has worked. (Market too saturated?)
  • Achievement Hunter they need a solid group dynamic again. Do NOT hire that black girl just to fill the token slot again, my God. I was personally a fan of the “lads vs gents” dynamic back in the day – the clear divide between the young people just fucking around and the older ones with kids and a little more straight laced. The personalities are the sell and they need to gel well.
  • RT Life and Recap stay. Again, it’s cheap and selling the personalities. The second most popular video on the Achievement Hunter channel is Jeremy breaking that desk still.
  • Make a separate AH youtube channel for AH member’s streams twitch highlights. This is what a lot of streamers do; a youtube channel with just reuploads of their funniest clips. Not a huge money maker but should be simple as heck to do. Also that twitch-youtube cross pollination is good. The AH streams should be ads for the youtube channel and other AH content.
  • Long form live action productions are gone. You could throw in an RT short every once in a while if you think it’s really funny but mostly those are gone too. Comedy shows that aren’t fully scripted, like On The Spot and Chump are staying. Dead Little Roosters numbers were already discussed in this thread and they are unfortunate.
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  • This was a production that cost money to shoot and film, moreso in covid. For comparison, Achievement Hunter would regularly drop something like a Let’s Watch series for a game if it wasn't cracking 150k+, and all that costs is six dudes in a room.
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I only ever watched the original Ten Little Roosters back in the day but the thing I remember about that is that it was one giant expensive in-joke. Like Ryan had his minecraft costume on and won the game and put on the “Mad King” crown and all that. I don’t know if that’s how this new one was but Rooster Teeth is too big and wide spread now to power an entire show with in-jokes. It would need to be actually funny. Which I doubt this was.

I realize without trying out other animated shows and cutting live action that RWBY is really the jenga that could collapse the whole tower… but I think RWBY is a fluke and Rooster Teeth should downsize overall. Also I would have to know about how much money FIRST memberships bring in before it was reworked, but it should be sold like twitch prime subs are; i.e. they’re not so much funding bigger productions but “supporting the creators”. If I was a Warner Bros CEO (disclaimer: I’m not and really have no experience) looking to gut the company and milk it for all it’s worth this is what I would do.
 
Or maybe he actually is in the beginning stages of his troon out I don't fucking know
I know it's late, but reading this today has brought my mood down real low. It's unfortunate because there was a time when I could have just laughed at this. Now though, I can actually see a world in which what you said is the real deal and we just don't know it yet. I can only pray that I don't have to witness this particular timeline come to pass. If Michael Jones of all people trooned out, then I would, for the first time, experience a real sense of disappointment and sadness all because of a parasocial relationship that I haven't kept up with in months. I can't believe just reading that sentence was enough to bring me down.
 
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Let RVB hit one more season so it can get the milestone twenty and then put it to bed. Forget “legacy” fans or whatever. If they’re really only here for RVB they probably aren’t happy with the shambling zombie corpse of it is now anyway. Possibly create a spin off (which Zero practically already was anyway) and actually make it in machinima if they can do it cheap enough
RVB was good when it was just a funny machinima series, the dramatic elements and ridiculous animation ruined it

I know it's late, but reading this today has brought my mood down real low. It's unfortunate because there was a time when I could have just laughed at this. Now though, I can actually see a world in which what you said is the real deal and we just don't know it yet. I can only pray that I don't have to witness this particular timeline come to pass. If Michael Jones of all people trooned out, then I would, for the first time, experience a real sense of disappointment and sadness all because of a parasocial relationship that I haven't kept up with in months. I can't believe just reading that sentence was enough to bring me down.
It still weirds me out that Kdin made himself into a tranny, and he was just some guy who you used to occasionally see in the background of AH videos like VS or Go. Also in case anyone else has never heard his tranny voice yet here is an episode of YET ANOTHER podcast that RT does, he is in it
 
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RVB was good when it was just a funny machinima series, the dramatic elements and ridiculous animation ruined it
Funny, because I've heard Season 10 and "The Chorus Trilogy" to be the peak of the show, and that was also when Monty was doing his action fests before he left to start making RWBY.

Edit: I just realized Season 10 was Project Freelancer. But Chorus started with Season 11
 
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Funny, because I've heard Season 10 and "The Chorus Trilogy" to be the peak of the show, and that was also when Monty was doing his action fests before he left to start making RWBY.
Well it is just my opinion. I didn't care for RWBY either and I always found Monty (RIP in peace) to be boring and weird

Of course it opens with this
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They brought a dog to distract you from how ridiculous the set looks
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At about 2 minutes in Michael starts talking about how they are totally not hypocrites for recording in the studio. He also says that they started talking about returning to the studio about a month ago.
 
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Funny, because I've heard Season 10 and "The Chorus Trilogy" to be the peak of the show, and that was also when Monty was doing his action fests before he left to start making RWBY.
I feel like that's often said by the kind of people who are easily impressed by Marvel movies. They like the flashy fight scenes and the cock rock music. RvB to me was impressive because of the limitations of machinima, filming a story inside of a video game, making it funny based on the characters and not just slapstick was amazing, I remember first getting the 1st and 2nd series on a few CD-RW's in like 2006 or something from a friend at school and I was really impressed with it.
Seeing them use dialogue, map layout and music to set tone and tell a story that I found engaging was really impressive, as soon as Grif burst through that wall in the Warthog in Series 8 I knew all that was over.
Limitation breeds creativity, by removing the limitations of the show it instantly went from an impressive display of creativity in a fixed medium to a poorly animated show that looked worse than some early CG shows.

"Within the history of all the arts the arrival of perfect realism coincided with perfect decadence. Why is it that when the technique is primitive everything is beautiful and when technique is perfected almost everything is ugly. Technical perfection can only create boredom, because it only reproduces nature. Why would anyone want a film when they can have the real thing? So imitating nature can only lead to the death of an art form." - Jean Renoir
 
I'm not gonna bother responding to all the obviously incorrect commentary on weight loss/weight gain or we'll be here all day. Just two notes:

Hyperthyroidism is one: pretty rare and two: easily treatable.

One: HYPOthyroidism is what I was talking about, not HYPERthyroidism. The former makes you gain weight; the latter makes you lose it.

Two: It's not rare. Like, at all. In fact, hypothyroidism (the weight gain one) is much more common than hyperthyroidism (the weight loss one).

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It's not an excuse to become a behemoth, my mother has it [hyperthyroidism] and she's rail thin so it's not like motherhood is an excuse either.

...If your mom has HYPERthyroidism, she's losing weight because that's literally the primary symptom of the disorder. Are you sure you studied for this exam?

I realize without trying out other animated shows and cutting live action that RWBY is really the jenga that could collapse the whole tower… but I think RWBY is a fluke and Rooster Teeth should downsize overall.

Fully agreed. RWBY was only as successful as it was due to Monty unique vision, and even that couldn't save it from having many problems when it first came out. Even so, everything that made RWBY interesting and unique was lost with Monty, and it can't even boast the cool fight scenes that he was so well known for. Unless they get really lucky and strike gold with another animator, they're never going to recreate the success of RWBY, so I think the decision for RT to go all in as a production company was a mistake.

Funny, because I've heard Season 10 and "The Chorus Trilogy" to be the peak of the show, and that was also when Monty was doing his action fests before he left to start making RWBY.

Season 10 yes, Chorus no. Season 10 had the benefit of featuring both Burnie's writing and Monty's animation, so that there was still something for fans who weren't so into the new direction or fight scenes; Burnie's dialogue and pacing still primarily carried the show. But Miles Luna took over during Chorus, and it's abundantly clear in the worst way possible; he immediately made what I can only call the shittiest self-insert OC on the planet (Felix), and also made Tucker the new focal point of the show, which isn't totally unwelcome but definitely could have been a little less obvious. The Reds got shafted yet again for several seasons because of that.

(Also, is it just me, or was Felix's face somewhat modeled after Miles?)
 
I'm not gonna bother responding to all the obviously incorrect commentary on weight loss/weight gain or we'll be here all day. Just two notes:


One: HYPOthyroidism is what I was talking about, not HYPERthyroidism. The former makes you gain weight; the latter makes you lose it.

Two: It's not rare. Like, at all. In fact, hypothyroidism (the weight gain one) is much more common than hyperthyroidism (the weight loss one).

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...If your mom has HYPERthyroidism, she's losing weight because that's literally the primary symptom of the disorder. Are you sure you studied for this exam?
Your staunch defense of fatness makes you seem like a fat person.

But anyway I am watching the latest Off Topic and will post notes in case anyone is interested but doesn't want to watch it
 
Please, I'm sure as shit not going to watch it, fill us in, bro.
I will post what I have so far
-Michael, Lindsay, Alfredo have been all vaccinated

-Michael compares getting vaccinated to buying a ps5

-Alfredo twerks

-Lindsay makes a point of using hand sanitizer after touching something

-At 15:30 you get a glimpse of Michael's upper arm flab

-Everyone acknowledges how different it is to record gameplay from home

-Lindsay wants to touch Trevor's feet

-Ky is mentioned

-That banner from the beginning pops up periodically to remind you that they have all been tested for covid

-Alfredo heavily implies that he would like to recieve anal sex from the new character from Dead by Daylight

-boring cable management talk
 
I will post what I have so far
-Michael, Lindsay, Alfredo have been all vaccinated

-Michael compares getting vaccinated to buying a ps5

-Alfredo twerks

-Lindsay makes a point of using hand sanitizer after touching something

-At 15:30 you get a glimpse of Michael's upper arm flab

-Everyone acknowledges how different it is to record gameplay from home

-Lindsay wants to touch Trevor's feet

-Ky is mentioned

-That banner from the beginning pops up periodically to remind you that they have all been tested for covid

-Alfredo heavily implies that he would like to recieve anal sex from the new character from Dead by Daylight

-boring cable management talk
Ah, how relatable and entertaining.
Were they reading much from chat? Fucking hell, I think I might have to watch it just so I can glean some context.

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Is he meant to be some kind of Joker rip-off or something? Pinstripe trousers, same stupid jacket from Injustice 2 in a new colour, pearl necklace.
K-Pop Joker, fucking kill me.

Here is a comparison for the last two Off Topics in the office:

Michael looks like such a fucking pikey it's not even funny. I've not watched any current AH stuff since before lockdown and he looks truly awful. He looks like he should be stealing peoples dogs and nicking the lead roof tiles off the local church.
He looks like he was filmed in 4:3 aspect ratio while everyone else is in 16:9. Like if someone used the scale tool in Photoshop but they didn't link the Height/Width ratio.
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Barbara is obviously sucking the life essence out of Trevor. Might be the lighting but he looks pale as fuck.
Lindsay making an admirable attempt to cover the neck flab with a shemagh and doing the 'stronk wimmen' thing by eschewing make-up. Which would be admirable if she wasn't so spotty. Going without make-up is fine as long as you don't look like you exfoliate with bacon grease.
 
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Season 10 yes, Chorus no. Season 10 had the benefit of featuring both Burnie's writing and Monty's animation, so that there was still something for fans who weren't so into the new direction or fight scenes; Burnie's dialogue and pacing still primarily carried the show. But Miles Luna took over during Chorus, and it's abundantly clear in the worst way possible; he immediately made what I can only call the shittiest self-insert OC on the planet (Felix), and also made Tucker the new focal point of the show, which isn't totally unwelcome but definitely could have been a little less obvious. The Reds got shafted yet again for several seasons because of that.

(Also, is it just me, or was Felix's face somewhat modeled after Miles?)
I just realized that Season 10 was Project Freelancer and Chorus was 11. I just remember that RvB was riding high, end credits roll, Red trailer drops, and the torch starts to be passed.
 
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So your analysis is that RT has too many mainstays that can't be removed because it'll piss off the fanbase. GREAT.

Honestly, all I can think of that can really help RT in the landscape that could save them and keep them going is RWBY (if only because it's an IP that you can let run its course before shelving it and rebooting it in the future) and Death Battle (because "who would win in a fight" will never go away and you can easily corner and be at the top of that market if you actually have DB's setup that makes it more than an animation to throw on YouTube or Newgrounds).

Pretty much! There's a good amount of superfluous content that can be cut (like all the animated series they have that no one even knows about, let alone watches), but the sad part is that the majority of the fans are watching a handful of series, and that handful probably also costs the most to produce BECAUSE of how popular they are. Similarly, bogging their site down with too much mediocre content will drive fans away, but so will cutting the popular shows that fans have stuck around for all this time, regardless of their quality level. And so the ouroboros eats its own tail.



Death Battle is weirdly under-utilized by RT, which I've always found odd since they acquired it. I'm not a huge fan of it myself, but just like you said, "who would win in a fight" is a question that can be asked with different pairings forever; it's an endless source of content. I don't know why they don't advertise it better.

I agree with you completely here, though; RWBY has a high rewatchability and could easily be rebooted down the line, and Death Battle SHOULD be a more notable IP due to its popularity, but they're just not connecting themselves to it properly. I guess a lot of the issue RT has had is poor merging of all the new IPs after the Warner acquisition, so things always feel really segmented and classic RT content is - to an extent - understandably given more attention than the newly acquired shows that are probably more popular overall. Very weird dynamic.
RT is in the middle of what I call the "Roman Crisis". IDK if there is an actual term for this, but:

The ancient roman empire would reward roman legionaries with land from newly conquered territories in thanks for their service in the military. This necessitated an expansionist policy so the empire could continue to reward its soldiers and get new ones. Eventually the roman empire became too large, managing the periphery was consuming far too many resources for the empire to manage. They couldnt conquer new lands to acquire resources because that's what got them into the problem in the first place, but they ALSO couldnt cut off their fringe territory because what resources they DID provide were necessary for the growingly complex and demanding core of the empire. Cant expand, cant contract, eventually they simply collapsed (which roman collapse this was IDK)

RT has the same problem. They have too many shows, not enough money, and not enough fanbase to support all those shows. You cant make more shows to try and bring in a newer/larger audience, because thats how you got to where they are now, and cant cut back because that would begin to alienate what audience they have left. So they'll continue this way until warner begins cutting off the necrotic tissue and starting the death throes of RT.
She also had two kids.
Having children does cause unavoidable changes to the mothers body, and nobody expects a mother to have the body of a teenager/young adult after having kids. Putting on 75+ pounds is not normal for having kids, even if a mom kinda lets themselves go, there's no real excuse for high weight gain especially when constantly working to raise kids. That shits hard work.
...Yes, there are. Have you not heard of hypothyroidism? One of its trademark symptoms is weight gain with low appetite; literally fat people who are barely eating, to paraphrase you. There's a million other factors that can cause a person who is eating healthily and with normal portions to still gain weight or be big, just like how we've all heard stories of skinny people who eat very unhealthy food and/or eat massive portions without gaining weight. It's not as simple as you're suggesting.
"muh hypothyroidism" is a commonly used excuse by fatties to excuse their shit diets. Untreated hypothyroidism typically results in a 10-20 lb weight gain, not 100 lbs. Part of the treatment for such a condition is healthy eating, and the medication used to treat it is both cheap and negates most of the calorie burning problems associated with the condition in the first place (roughly 300 calories a day).

It's not a magic condition that makes you 250 lbs eating only veggies. Calories in-->calories out is a universal constant, if you have a condition that reduces your calorie burn per day it doesnt mean calories dont magically stop working the same way.

And Lindsay has never been confirmed to have this in the first place. She's just yet another individual that got married, had kids, and stopped trying. Both she and Michael have confirmed they eat a shitload of takeout. Takeout is LOADED with calories, it's an absolute red flag to weight management and makes it far too easy to overeat. I guarantee you if she isnt still eating as if she was pregnant, she's eating like she did as a teenager when she was playing both volleyball and softball and was young enough that she could work her ass off burning through her poor dietary choices. A LOT of (especially volleyball players I've notices) high school athletes who dont develop healthy eating habits pile on the pounds in their 20s and 30s once their activity slows down.
 
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