The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
And the human that the fetus (which is not a human yet) is attached to is still alive.
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Noticing you changed "is a part of," to "is attached to."
I wonder why that might be...
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
I disagree. Sex is fun. I prefer sex in a monogamous relationship (to avoid STDs and it does make it easier), but when I am single I have sex when I can. It's fun and sex isn't hedonistic. What makes sex hedonistic?
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"When I'm single," should be never.
Prester John said:
Traditionally, we pronounce someone as dead with the cessation of the heartbeat.
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We only do that in medicine and even then only very loosely. People have heart arrhythmias to full cardiac arrest or brain death and manage to "come back" because they were still alive. The spark of life is easily observed and easily understood, but not at all easy to define concretely, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a retard.
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
You can survive a few days without dialysis even with renal failure
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How many microseconds, precisely, do I need to be able to survive without external inputs in order to qualify as "alive?"
What a weird standard.
 
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FEETLOAF said:
Noticing you changed "is a part of," to "is attached to."
I wonder why that might be...
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What?
FEETLOAF said:
"When I'm single," should be never.
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Disagree. Just because you can't get laid doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer. Try going to the gym and not punishing women for refusing to have sex with you, you'll get further along in your goal to lose your v-card. Want me to help coach you on a dating app?
FEETLOAF said:
How many microseconds, precisely, do I need to be able to survive without external inputs in order to qualify as "alive?"
What a weird standard.
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You have to have a standard somewhere. Saying life begins at conception is pretty retarded, though, since it's just a cell at that point. A fetus is no more a human than a brick is a building.
 
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I said:

FEETLOAF said:
No, just as having a lung removed isn't. The human that tumor was a part of is still alive.
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"a part of."

In your response, you chose consciously or unconsciously to change frames to:

Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
And the human that the fetus (which is not a human yet) is attached to is still alive.
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"attached to."

I wonder why the frame changed?
Maybe because the person the fetus is "a part of" is himself, and you need to change frames to make your argument.
 
I’m of mixed feelings about abortion: on one hand I don’t think women have rights, but on the other the only people that get abortions are nonwhites and leftists.

oh and “rape” isn’t real, so any argument including that as some kind of justification is intellectually dishonest
 
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FEETLOAF said:
I said:


"a part of."

In your response, you chose consciously or unconsciously to change frames to:


"attached to."

I wonder why the frame changed?
Maybe because the person the fetus is "a part of" is himself, and you need to change frames to make your argument.
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No I didn't. Not even I am that autistic. Did you edit your post?
 
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FEETLOAF said:
We only do that in medicine and even then only very loosely. People have heart arrhythmias to full cardiac arrest or brain death and manage to "come back" because they were still alive. The spark of life is easily observed and easily understood, but not at all easy to define concretely, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a retard.
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I don't disagree; I'm just trying to understand if an organism that has a heartbeat is still just a "clump of cells."
 
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Sweetpeaa said:
Can anyone explain to me the popularity of the hard right agenda? I can wrap my head around the fiscal aspects (low tax blah blah) but what does the average citizen benefit from having no availability of pregnancy termination? especially in a Covid-19 stricken world.
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The way you word it you bring out how this specific type of hard right agenda, people fall into neglect and it is okay with the system. In this case they are SOL and the Armchair facist are okay with that. Mabye they will lie to the offsping who's mental health is scewed by growing up in the gutter.
 
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Yinci said:
In this case they are SOL
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A distinction I have noticed between right wing people and left wing people is that right wing people are far more comfortable with the idea of someone just being shit outta luck. To lefties it seems like the idea that life is a game you can lose is, like, personally offensive to them. To righties it's just how life works. Sometimes some people end up in situations where they are just fucked. So it goes.
 
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FEETLOAF said:
A distinction I have noticed between right wing people and left wing people is that right wing people are far more comfortable with the idea of someone just being shit outta luck. To lefties it seems like the idea that life is a game you can lose is, like, personally offensive to them. To righties it's just how life works. Sometimes some people end up in situations where they are just fucked. So it goes.
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Some of us don't have severe autism and thus have empathy and like to help others not get stuck in those situations
 
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FEETLOAF said:
A distinction I have noticed between right wing people and left wing people is that right wing people are far more comfortable with the idea of someone just being shit outta luck. To lefties it seems like the idea that life is a game you can lose is, like, personally offensive to them. To righties it's just how life works. Sometimes some people end up in situations where they are just fucked. So it goes.
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It's a insecurity that bothers me. Baseline life is life and not everyone who is born is going to have the idea existence. Personally not sure how I see it but I do know that I very easily could have ended up in this situation if the stars were not alinged. So I support systems that redistribute from the fortunate to the unfortunate. I also heard of a fair amoutn of theories that suggest that a more "caring" system ends up benefitting everyone and the hard right of this thread creates a system that is consistently dangerous for everyone and use's that danger for what It thinks people should do.
 
Marshal Mannerheim said:
Is that an ideology based around looking at people's faces?
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I guess so. And to ad onto my reply a lot of people on the far right are Socialist Economically. The Debate in the United States is between wealth balance and wealth imbalance. in the End the homophpic hicks hate Walmart and Coca-Cola too so can't we just start there?
 
ADHD said:
As long as the ovaries aren't removed with the uterus, the woman won't go through early menopause. Tubal ligation is a better option, though.
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Yeah the sentence makes sense or at least not insane with a tubal ligation given how drastic an unspecified hysterectomy is. Like getting an orchiectomy when a man doesn't want to have kids vs a vasectomy.
Yinci said:
I guess so. And to ad onto my reply a lot of people on the far right are Socialist Economically. The Debate in the United States is between wealth balance and wealth imbalance. in the End the homophpic hicks hate Walmart and Coca-Cola too so can't we just start there?
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Are you lost? This thread is about abortions not high schoolers first debate class.
 
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FEETLOAF said:
If you jab a knife in your eye I don't think the pain you feel is unjust. I don't have a problem with it, and I don't want to fix it. You got exactly what you chose to get.
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So if your dad gets laid off and your parents lose their house and you are forced to move out into the street, you wouldn't have a problem being homeless?

You probably have a tugboat due to your severe autism so you'd be okay, but pretend Trump took it away
 
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