Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Looking over Lucas' plans for the Sequel Trilogy, there was one time, ONE TIME, when this new canon could have potentially outdone the old in post-ROTJ content. And that was the potential of using Darth Maul and Grand Admiral Thrawn together as part of a new villain faction. Instead of Snoke, Kylo Ren, and Palpatine all over again, having Thrawn be the military leader of a post-Endor Imperial faction while having Darth Maul be their Sith overlord would have worked wonders for a new post-Endor storyline set in the New Republic.

Thrawn DID survive Rebels, but unfortunately, Maul did not. Maul and Thrawn should have just cameo'd in Rebels. Sure, have Thrawn lose to them, have the Rebels sacrifice a lot to defeat Thrawn, which would force the Emperor to relocate Thrawn to the Unknown Regions as punishment for his failure, but Maul should have just shown up in that Temple episode and disappeared after losing the Darksaber. And he should have never deserted his own Mandalorian faction, just have most of them disappear with him after the Empire's rise.

Thrawn did a lot of damage in the old canon with just a half-insane Jedi helping him. Imagine if he had a full Sith Lord like Darth Maul helping him, training Sith warriors for Thrawn's operations in exchange for Thrawn's support for his operations in eradicating the Jedi. And imagine Maul's criminal empire and his Mandalorians funding this new Imperial regime, kidnapping genetically-fit candidates for Thrawn to clone for new Stormtroopers, while they also kidnap Force-sensitive children for Maul to turn into a new Sith Order.

They could potentially have the same kind of setup that KOTOR had: the last surviving apprentice of a previous dark lord fighting alongside a brilliant admiral whose strategies would be half the reason why this broken, shattered remnant of the Empire would pose a threat to a galactic power like the New Republic. Heck, they can even throw in the Star Forge and canonize the KOTOR media (Tales of the Jedi, the KOTOR games and comics, the SWTOR games and comics, and even the Darth Bane novel) so that it would explain how Thrawn rebuilds a navy so fast and why he's serving Darth Maul, when only a dark-sider of sufficient power can use the Forge to build ships, while Thrawn uses Kaminoan or Spaarti cloning tech to build a new clone army, which would explain where they get a large Imperial army from.

You can also have other problems for the Republic to deal with. You can have Maul's black-market operations siphoning money from the elites of the New Republic as they buy spice, slaves, and other forbidden items from Maul's black-market operations, creating a new galactic underworld that the New Republic characters have to investigate. You can have Thrawn slowly rebuilding the Empire from scratch as the New Republic stagnates and weakens due to Maul's criminal operations. You can have Maul's Mandalorians assassinating key Republic personnel while also butting heads with the pro-Republic Mandalorian government headed by Bo-Katan and Sabine Wren, ensuring that an invasion would be easier with key New Republic military personnel either killed or disabled.

And then, near the end of the first movie, you can have the Empire re-emerge as a valid threat that can easily send the Republic forces running for the hills, with advanced Star Destroyers hot off the new Star Forge's factories and clone stormtroopers trained by Maul's Mandalorians, backed up by Sith warriors and sorcerers trained by Darth Maul himself. Thrawn leads the fleet and outwits the New Republic forces repeatedly, annihilating their fleets in the Outer and Mid-Rim and making a push for the galactic core, while ruthless clones and Sith warriors raised by Maul and his henchmen pound the shit out of Republic ground forces. You can even have an aging General Maximilian Veers lead the Imperial ground forces from one victory to the next, and the triumvirate of Maul, Thrawn, and Veers would have the Republic by the balls.

But no, instead, we get uninspired villains fighting Mary Sues and comic relief characters. What a waste, especially since they had everything they needed to make a good sequel trilogy if they just altered a few things from the old canon.

I mean, shit, if I was writing a sequel to Jedi Academy, that's what I would have done. Make it so that the Thrawn who died in the novels was an impostor because the real Thrawn almost got knocked off by Kyle Katarn sometime during his campaign, and he spent all this time in stasis for healing, and he teams up with Darth Maul, who, after having escaped Sidious' imprisonment, disappeared with his criminal and Mandalorian contacts, only resurfacing after the Disciples of Ragnos were beaten. They go to Lehon and find the schematics for the Star Forge, and Maul resurrects Desann's Dark Jedi Shadow Trooper project while having his Mandalorians train Thrawn's clone Stormtroopers grown from Spaarti cloning cylinders, and they secure more funds by selling spice and other forbidden goods to the rich fops in New Republic space, siphoning capital from the New Republic.

Before you know it, the New Republic is under attack by a revived Empire under Darth Maul and Grand Admiral Thrawn, and both Jaden Korr and Kyle Katarn have to fight battles outside and inside the New Republic, as Maul's underworld contacts do whatever they can to cause trouble within the New Republic's borders, assassinating politicians while running illegal spice and slaving operations within Republic space, while the Imperial military has Mandalorian-trained clone stormtroopers and newly-made Star Destroyers being led by a new batch of Dark Jedi Shadow Troopers, causing all sorts of havoc outside New Republic borders as they penetrate the border and make a beeline for Coruscant. That would have been my ideal sequel to Jedi Academy. Heck, I'd even have it so that Dark Side players can start from the Dark Side ending of Jedi Academy and have Dark Side Jaden Korr start off as a part of Thrawn and Maul's revived Empire, and you can either fight alongside them and win, or you can overthrow them and lead their Empire yourself.

Even after losing control of Lucasfilm, Lucas' ideas continue to inspire.........
 
I think someone at Hasbro read my turbo-sperg post about Dark Horse Comics...but apparently not the comics themselves.

Because that's not Carnor Jax. That's Kir Kanos. They got his fucking name wrong...even the official Star Wars Website gets it wrong. They had the time to make this sappy article about how the Hasbro Head is a big fan of the Dark Horse comics, and why "it's important to honor Legends", and they couldn't even get his name right.

Cool figure, tho.

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Watching Snyder dunk all over Geeks + Gamers reminds me of Shatner distancing himself from RLM on social media.

I'm just cackling thinking about how hard Jeremy is sobbing into Ahsoka body pillow right now.
Knowing Jeremy, he's probably just desperately running around calling as many minorities as possible to prove he isn't an evil bigot in holy Snyder's eyes just so he doesn't lose any of his revenue as his website's traffic begins to die down. The guy cares more about fame than anything else.

Still, I have a bad feeling about this. I know its probably lame of me, but should I be concerned about Snyder using that article that called SW critics alt-right racists as a valid source to dunk on Jeremy? I mean, yeah Jeremy deserves to get dunked on and lose any credibility he has for being a grifter and closet shill who smacks Disney only go around and suck their cock when its convenient (or if Ahsoka's involved), but I feel like using a woke arguing point like accusing the guy of racism is the worst way to go about it instead of just calling him what he actually is, a grifting conman like Doomcock, which is a valid reason to ruin the guy, and in the long run I feel like this will be used to Disney's benefit to prove that everyone that smacktalks their films is a racist/sexist/whatever and fence sitters will believe it if someone like Snyder, who is being overglorified as the "Anti-Kennedy" right now, starts claiming it. However if no one actually takes Snyder's word for it and all this does is make Jeremy look like an absolute cuck btfo by his idol then I can laugh at ease.

I think someone at Hasbro read my turbo-sperg post about Dark Horse Comics...

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Alright, this is getting weird. WTF is going on now? First they announce that Alien+Predator is getting a new mediocre spinoff thing for Disney+, then they announce Clone Wars, Droids and the Ewoks multimedia are coming to Disney+, then Durge gets brought into nucanon out of the blue at the same time as the announcement, an upcoming 2021 Fantasy Flight Games miniature and card collection will be recanonizing a whole mess of EU ships and characters (many of which completely go against Disney shit, including the Fel family) and now a poorly researched Carnor Kanos is getting his own toy out of the blue that's not part of some contest thing afaik like Jaina or Mara. So wtf is going on here? I mean some people are trying to argue that Durge isn't the first EU character to be brought back for the Disney comics, but characters like Valance, Rur, Jaxxon, Tagge and others that were featured were technically created and partly owned by Marvel. And as for Thrawn, Zahn was on Disney's payroll so that probably gave them some control over his characters, and any other EU references Disney made were barely noticeable namedrops or cameos that would go over the heads of any legal scouts, but now Disney is getting more bold with the FOX IPs and now they're milking the EU out of the blue at the same time. This just makes me really suspect that FOX may have actually owned the rights to some of these, either that or Disney is desperate for something to distract from all their recent drama, especially now that they're trying to memory hole Mandalorian despite being their only remote success.
 
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I think someone at Hasbro read my turbo-sperg post about Dark Horse Comics...

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Crimson Empire's one of the better post-ROTJ content out there. And the fact that Palpatine got offed in the end by one of his own guards really does nail the whole "Roman" feel of the Empire, as the Praetorians charged with protecting the Emperor do end up killing Emperors that they don't like.

Carnor Jax was a fun villain, the standard scenery-chewing kind. Especially when he tortured Mirith Sinn. That's the kind of stuff that you won't see much nowadays, especially considering who's in charge of modern-day Lucasfilm.

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He's basically the Empire's version of Cobra Commander if he successfully killed Serpentor and was now chewing the scenery and torturing GI Joes just to get the info he wanted. But seeing as how Doctor Aphra dodged punishment when she was up against DARTH VADER HIMSELF, I doubt Disney would let a villain like this go full-throttle against one of their STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS.

By the way, Mirith Sinn actually fits the idea of a strong female character. She can resist torture, back-talk against a Sith Lord, she's been leading a war against the Empire on some backwater planet, she's the real definition of a strong woman without all that SJW nonsense plugged in. She's strong because she's a strong person, not because she was a woman.
 
I can't believe he even wanted to associate with them. Why not some bigger, a bit safer channel like Tyrone Magnus (and yes I know he was on the stream)?

Because G&G was co-sponsoring the stream. His daughter an heroed and so I don't know if he willingly went to support the stream or was told to by WB to build positive press for Next Product a rerelease of old product with new packaging aka Justice League Snyder Cut. He could have done his own fundraiser I guess, but that'd be effort.

Anyway, while Zack Snyder very clearly faux pa'd, the G&G guy is outted as total cuck for allowing it to happen without comment or push back because he is a shill and wouldn't dare snap his jaws at his handlers.


tl;dr: No matter what side of The Fandom Menace you are on, you can appreciate that the supposed champion of fans is a complete cuck who rolled over on his back and urinated for Snyder Sempai.
 
I think someone at Hasbro read my turbo-sperg post about Dark Horse Comics...but apparently not the comics themselves.

Because that's not Carnor Jax. That's Kir Kanos. They got his fucking name wrong...even the official Star Wars Website gets it wrong. They had the time to make this sappy article about how the Hasbro Head is a big fan of the Dark Horse comics, and why "it's important to honor Legends", and they couldn't even get his name right.

Cool figure, tho.

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Kir Kanos is what Finn should have been.
What a shame Kathleen Kennedy is allergic to money.
 
Kir Kanos is what Finn should have been.
What a shame Kathleen Kennedy is allergic to money.

You couldn't do this because he was the token black, but imagine instead of Darth Emo, you'd have had Finn come back and murder his way to the top of the First Order? Emperor Finn and his white manservant Kylo bringing order to the galaxy. Those'd be some really subverted expectations.
 
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By the way, with the news that Genndy Wars is coming to Disney Plus, I'd advise backing up/archiving the fan remastered version on YouTube, because you know Disney will be gunning for it.
I'm pretty much set for life (and if anyone ever needs any sauce just give the ol' admiral a ring) but the only thing I wish I could find in HD are the Toonami trailers and TV spots for the show.



On the bright side I did find an HD version of the track used in the trailers.
 
Knowing Jeremy, he's probably just desperately running around calling as many minorities as possible to prove he isn't an evil bigot in holy Snyder's eyes just so he doesn't lose any of his revenue as his website's traffic begins to die down. The guy cares more about fame than anything else.

Still, I have a bad feeling about this. I know its probably lame of me, but should I be concerned about Snyder using that article that called SW critics alt-right racists as a valid source to dunk on Jeremy? I mean, yeah Jeremy deserves to get dunked on and lose any credibility he has for being a grifter and closet shill who smacks Disney only go around and suck their cock when its convenient (or if Ahsoka's involved), but I feel like using a woke arguing point like accusing the guy of racism is the worst way to go about it instead of just calling him what he actually is, a grifting conman like Doomcock, which is a valid reason to ruin the guy, and in the long run I feel like this will be used to Disney's benefit to prove that everyone that smacktalks their films is a racist/sexist/whatever and fence sitters will believe it if someone like Snyder, who is being overglorified as the "Anti-Kennedy" right now, starts claiming it. However if no one actually takes Snyder's word for it and all this does is make Jeremy look like an absolute cuck btfo by his idol then I can laugh at ease.


Alright, this is getting weird. WTF is going on now? First they announce that Alien+Predator is getting a new mediocre spinoff thing for Disney+, then they announce Clone Wars, Droids and the Ewoks multimedia are coming to Disney+, then Durge gets brought into nucanon out of the blue at the same time as the announcement, an upcoming 2021 Fantasy Flight Games miniature and card collection will be recanonizing a whole mess of EU ships and characters (many of which completely go against Disney shit, including the Fel family) and now a poorly researched Carnor Kanos is getting his own toy out of the blue that's not part of some contest thing afaik like Jaina or Mara. So wtf is going on here? I mean some people are trying to argue that Durge isn't the first EU character to be brought back for the Disney comics, but characters like Valance, Rur, Jaxxon, Tagge and others that were featured were technically created and partly owned by Marvel. And as for Thrawn, Zahn was on Disney's payroll so that probably gave them some control over his characters, and any other EU references Disney made were barely noticeable namedrops or cameos that would go over the heads of any legal scouts, but now Disney is getting more bold with the FOX IPs and now they're milking the EU out of the blue at the same time. This just makes me really suspect that FOX may have actually owned the rights to some of these, either that or Disney is desperate for something to distract from all their recent drama, especially now that they're trying to memory hole Mandalorian despite being their only remote success.
It's obvious bro; they're going to in a fit of COVID related desperation make a super fucking awful crossover with the Xenomorph and Yautja in a Star Wars story while also using it as a platform to nuke all the older media that is remotely liked by the old fanbase.

They will use the fact that there's a xeno reference in Star Wars and just go full on Ready Player One with it in an orgy of begging for the consoomers to come on in to fucking consooom.

I know this is possible because this may be the worst idea I can think of when making something Star Wars related, meaning they're going to want to do this at some point.
 
It's obvious bro; they're going to in a fit of COVID related desperation make a super fucking awful crossover with the Xenomorph and Yautja in a Star Wars story while also using it as a platform to nuke all the older media that is remotely liked by the old fanbase.

They will use the fact that there's a xeno reference in Star Wars and just go full on Ready Player One with it in an orgy of begging for the consoomers to come on in to fucking consooom.

I know this is possible because this may be the worst idea I can think of when making something Star Wars related, meaning they're going to want to do this at some point.
I also fully expect that they'll do an SW and MCU crossover at some point because of that crappy Patton Oswalt pitch some idiots still won't shut up about. Maybe not now, but within our lifetimes. Or it'll be something incredibly cringy that'll put RPO and that Space Jam sequel to shame, where all SW, MCU and FOX characters hang out while watching Rey, Deadpool, Artemis Fowl and Donald Duck fight against the Heartless in the inevitable Kingdom Hearts show for Disney+.
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I also fully expect that they'll do an SW and MCU crossover at some point because of that crappy Patton Oswalt pitch some idiots still won't shut up about. Maybe not now, but within our lifetimes. Or it'll be something incredibly cringy that'll put RPO and that Space Jam sequel to shame, where all SW, MCU and FOX characters hang out while watching Rey, Deadpool, Artemis Fowl and Donald Duck fight against the Heartless in the inevitable Kingdom Hears show for Disney+.
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Oh right, there's still a KH show happening isn't there. I wonder if we'll hear more about that closer to the 20th anniversary of the series next year.
 
You couldn't do this because he was the token black, but imagine instead of Darth Emo, you'd have had Finn come back and murder his way to the top of the First Order? Emperor Finn and his white manservant Kylo bringing order to the galaxy. Those'd be some really subverted expectations.
Finn is an elite soldier of the First Order and personal guard of Snoke. While on mission, he is betrayed and left for dead by his commander, Phasma. La Resistance recovers him and restores his health, unaware of his true identity. When he recovers, he adopts the identity of a grateful mercenary, biding his time until he can get revenge on Phasma and return to his rightful place as Snoke's guard dog. While on a reconnaissance mission on Jakku, he runs across Rey. Hijinks ensue and they escape the planet and rejoin the Resistance.

More hijinks, Finn feels those odd feels of affection for the Resistance and Rey. They infiltrate Starkiller base with Han and Chewie. After dropping the shield, they are confronted by Phasma. Finn pulls out the elite First Order weapon and duels Phasma to the shock of his Resistance allies. Finn gets the upper hand when Darth Emo appears and smacks him down with his lightsaber. Darth Emo kills daddy Han and duels Rey. BTFOs Rey thoroughly. Finn fires off an explosive and they escape with Chewie. Starkiller Base goes Ka-Boom. Resistance casts Finn out for being First Order.

There. I just gave Finn more character than Jar-Jar Abrams did.
 
There. I just gave Finn more character than Jar-Jar Abrams did.

Why are such a fucking racist who hates & oppresses women you alt-right nazi?
MODS?!


Also you left out the part where his best friend in the whole empire First Order dies during an op due to a the actions of Phasma which are a mixture of incompetence and disgard for the lives of the storm troopers under her command. Finn's buddy planned to defect to the resistance (the resistance mistakes him for his dead friend) so that the resistance initally trusts Finn.
When the resistance needs Rey to infiltrate the First Order, Finn offers his expertise to Rey who bust him out of Rebel Jail (making her a...DOUBLE REBEL). Finn uses the opportunity to sneak-kill Snoke, and Kylo recognizes that he doesn't have the skills or loyalty to run the first order, and bends the knee. instead of the dumbshit Holdo maneuver, Finn calls off the pursuit of the resistance as a thank you to Rey.
You now have a very credible threat for Episode 9 that doesn't require the use of Pappa Palps corpse.

Wait, nm, this is dumb because it doesn't result in Ian getting an 8-figure payday from disney to save their shit.
 
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Was this panel from a 90ies SW comic or a Disney SW comic? The 90ies before the dork age and crash, everyone was in on the "blink and you missed them" cameos.
2002 which was from a non-canon parody as told from the perspective of two canon comedic relief characters. The other one was from a non-parody X-Wing comic in 1996, before the Mouse, before the Dork Ages.

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A cancelled 2002 RPG article would've also incorporated them for the SW RPG but the SWG magazine was cancelled. Only actual RPG supplement to include them with stats was one for InQuest but that wasn't meant to be canon and was supposed to serve as a helpful guide for those who wanted to mix and match different RPGs. The cancelled RPG article later evolved considerably over the years and it would've been published on one of SW.com's sister sites but the site got taken down when the whole Disney deal and shut downs started happening, but ended up being showcased years later in the form of Supernatural Encounters, which only alludes to the xenos as a nameless horror. Xenos, Predators along with ET's species are probably the only three aliens not originating from SW to get a notable presence within the franchise as more than just cameos, with ET's species in particular having had its first SW appearance as far back as the 80s and receiving mentions and data in the lore guides along with 2 fully established characters without them being non-canon cameos.

As for another thing not originating from SW, one cancelled story turned into an independent novel unrelated to SW would've had THX-1138 occur in the SW universe. While another alludes at THX-1138 or something similar possibly occurring in some form somewhere but offers nothing concrete so as to leave it open to the imagination.
 
Finn is an elite soldier of the First Order and personal guard of Snoke. While on mission, he is betrayed and left for dead by his commander, Phasma. La Resistance recovers him and restores his health, unaware of his true identity. When he recovers, he adopts the identity of a grateful mercenary, biding his time until he can get revenge on Phasma and return to his rightful place as Snoke's guard dog. While on a reconnaissance mission on Jakku, he runs across Rey. Hijinks ensue and they escape the planet and rejoin the Resistance.

More hijinks, Finn feels those odd feels of affection for the Resistance and Rey. They infiltrate Starkiller base with Han and Chewie. After dropping the shield, they are confronted by Phasma. Finn pulls out the elite First Order weapon and duels Phasma to the shock of his Resistance allies. Finn gets the upper hand when Darth Emo appears and smacks him down with his lightsaber. Darth Emo kills daddy Han and duels Rey. BTFOs Rey thoroughly. Finn fires off an explosive and they escape with Chewie. Starkiller Base goes Ka-Boom. Resistance casts Finn out for being First Order.

There. I just gave Finn more character than Jar-Jar Abrams did.
I’ll watch this than Jar-Jar’s
Tbh, when I watched the Force Awakens, I was expecting Finn to be a guy who tried to confront his problem instead of running away.
The fact he got balls to was duel Darth Emo before he got his ass kicked gives potential.
They did Finn and Boyega dirty
 
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