Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[OttoWest]

Bringing this over from the Sady Doyle thread. Thanks to @Trianon for the caps.

Inexplicably Joe comes to the defense of JESSE SINGAL! during the ongoing Doyle/Substack dust up


Katie Herzog notes Joe’s piece on the Bell/Tavistock case for Foreign Policy is now up to FIVE corrections. Joe instead complains about Jesse:

 

[illhavetwo]

Bravo! Daniel's persona is its own brand of insufferably twee, but Joe's faux intellectualism drives me up the wall. His manifestos are ridiculous. The "sex-based rights aren't REAL" is the perfect example, in which he cites Freud -- FREUD! -- as evidence that sexuality is soooo much more than is dreamt of in your plebeian minds. The theory-contortions this man gets in, all so he can sigh over godawful fur coats. I just.

Have we even gotten into the fact that the Laverys are now in a threesome? The utter debasement of Mallory to Joe's fetishes is almost complete. And Mallory has even picked up his penchant for needing a "dimwit sidekick" and makes catty, disparaging remarks about her(?), only to realize belatedly that he's a man now and isn't supposed to say things like that.

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Fantastic stuff. This couple is like a live experiment on how much one can humiliate a woman and cannibalize her entire being until nothing is left. I'm torn between morbid fascination and pity.

 

[mrae]

This threesome news is so utterly predictable and sounds insufferable ("shimbo" - fucking please). It's gonna be wild when it blows up in spectacular fashion.

 

[derpi]

Ortberg's best friend and co-founder of The Toast is Nicole Cliffe, who is not only a piece of work herself, but married to a super rich former hedge fund guy. That's how The Toast got funded. Nicole paid for Ortberg's wedding to Lavery.

Cliffe is the one who started the outlandish rumor on Twitter that Jeff Goldblum is a sexual predator, which resulted in Cliffe "taking a break from Twitter." As far as I know, she's never retracted it. She just hid like a coward.

Happy to see this thread. Ortberg and her troon consort have attained sacred, untouchable status and have encircled themselves with layers upon layers of unhinged libfem takedown mobs and witchfinders dedicated to silencing and destroying anyone who doesn't slavishly accept and worship their every insane syllable.

eta: That's Nicole Cliffe standing behind Ortberg's right (our left) shoulder with her big fat yap open.

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Can somebody explain the godawful matching clown shoes?

 

[Bani]

There's no such thing as a flattering image of Joe per se, but there's a meme circulating that paints him in an especially negative light.
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Joe reposted the image on Twitter claiming that the quote was taken out of context and does not represent what he really meant.
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Read the article (Archive) and it's quite clear that the quote is exactly what it seems. Joe meant that when he wore panties to a professional conference and fantasized about being a "bitch" and the "victim of sexism," he got a boner. Gross.

Christ, he should be glad they took that quote out of context, because it sounds even worse in context.

 

[Trianon]

Lavery wars with the man who invented the AGP term. Has consistently called himself a "slut."

Apparently Blanchard often gets into it with Julia Serano, so this all ties into the Jesse Singal / Substack vs. TRA War, since Serano claimed that Singal "slut-shamed" her by positively linking to an article Serano wrote on dating.

Projection in the comments.

Now hold on, Burns, let the man speak.

Charming selfie.

 

[3MMA]

Blanchard’s critics don’t even attempt to debunk AGP. They just say, “now known as untrue” or, “he is wrong,” or “obsessed!”

There is no proof of any AGP theory being “now known as untrue.” Or wrong. The troon doth protest too much


We have popular troon opinion, which can basically be summed up as their magical thinking on “gender identity.” The shit that’s currently popular in media & culture.

Once the mask is off, & the popular opinion has waned, it’s easily viewable as AGP fantasy.

They are so mad.
Blanchard doesn’t seem to be losing sleep, or taking names here. Troons sure are though.

That pic going around of Joe, the one that’s big in terf circles atm, w/ the “male violence makes me a hawt lady” quote on it, is a perfect example of AGP, & he knows it.

That’s why he is mad.
What a complete poseur, though. Acting as though he’d like to have a conversation with Blanchard, but, “oh no, teehee, I’m blocked!” Sure Joe.
Joe is banking on it not getting noticed. Blanchard’s safe & blocked, prob by Joe himself. He couldn’t go toe to toe w/ the guy, he can’t even give his own monologues w/ out sounding like the dictionary definition of AGP troon.

 

[Trianon]

I reckon Blanchard would probably like to talk to the Laverys out of curiosity. I know he never did much work on FTM transitions, but there's a LOT going on here with the possibility of social contagion, codependent transitions, heterosexual Joe vs. homosexual (allegedly) Mallory. I mean, it's an interesting relationship on its face. I hope they get a reality show.

 

[ShortPoppy]

Lavery wars with the man who invented the AGP term. Has consistently called himself a "slut."

Wait a minute. This is what Joe/Grace wrote about himself in the article posted a couple of pages back:

"In a bar in the eleventh arondissement, a block from where I used to live, a well-dressed and straight-presenting French businessman started hitting on me before he had even had a chance to figure out whether he wanted to do so. I loved that and wanted to snap his tight little tie right off his bouncy white shirt. Did I mention that I look incredible here in France? I have been dressing like the mignonne bitch of my autogynephilic dreams."

Am I too autistic/not-an-English-Major-in-college enough to understand this? The guy proudly calls himself "autogynephilic" one minute then berates someone else for using the term to describe someone exactly like him?

In the meantime, I'm still struggling to understand what Mallory/Daniel, former slayer of masculine egos, is getting out of this relationship:

... I found this (Archive) in Mallory's blog.

And part of what’s hard is – I love lesbians. I love women. I think being either or both is such a wonderful thing, and every time I cringe at getting she’d there's a voice inside of me saying WHY DO YOU FEEL BAD ABOUT BEING MISTAKEN FOR A WOMAN? IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH BEING A WOMAN? WOMEN ARE INCREDIBLE AND STRONG AND YOU'RE A JERK AND YOUR TRANSNESS IS EVIDENCE THAT YOUR FEMINISM WAS FLAWED TO BEGIN WITH.
... And I'm crying as I write this now, and I cried a lot yesterday, and I think the guilt I describe is very much unresolved!

It honestly sounds like she had to exile herself into manhood as some sort of punishment for not being feminist enough.

 

[Trianon]

Am I too autistic/not-an-English-Major-in-college enough to understand this? The guy proudly calls himself "autogynephilic" one minute then berates someone else for using the term to describe someone exactly like him?

So Joe does this two-step a lot, where he is like "yes, i'm autogynephilic, and there's nothing wrong with that. in fact, women are autogynephilic. in fact, women love being treated like sluts. in fact, saying otherwise is anti-feminist." He is always trying to reclaim the slurs and turn it on women for getting mad that he's rolling around in every stereotype because that means they're gatekeeping all women. So I imagine he's not really mad at being called AGP, only that the INTENT is to make him feel ashamed of it. He thinks it's kind of a good thing.

It honestly sounds like she had to exile herself into manhood as some sort of punishment for not being feminist enough.

Oof, those quotes are how Mallory talks all the time. Just the constant anxiety of not doing "it" right, feminism or lesbianism or troonism. It's the polar opposite of how Joe acts. And despite having an advice column, Mallory tends to stay way more in her lane and only gets in feisty internet fights every now and then.

 

[Potatis Salad]

Looks like Joe did a professional photo shoot. I hope we get to see some more of these, he looks hilarious.

They're both amazingly repulsive but I love the first one. That gargantuan man-sized shoe jutting out in front of him, the ludicrous ruffle, the pained facial expression. He looks like a cross between a jowly, male Little Bo Peep and a jowly, male version of this lady from the "Pon de Floor" video:


Seductive:


EDIT: Found one more, this one has been retouched.

 

[super thug]

Looks like Joe did a professional photo shoot. I hope we get to see some more of these, he looks hilarious.
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They're both amazingly repulsive but I love the first one. That gargantuan man-sized shoe jutting out in front of him, the ludicrous ruffle, the pained facial expression. He looks like a cross between a jowly, male Little Bo Peep and a jowly, male version of this lady from the "Pon de Floor" video:
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Seductive:
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EDIT: Found one more, this one has been retouched.
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Only a mentally ill person would share photographs like these. Only a mentally ill person would believe any of this makes them look good.

wtf is on with this niggas hair jfc bro just shave it off

qed faggots.

 

[largetiger]

Looks like Joe did a professional photo shoot. I hope we get to see some more of these, he looks hilarious.
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They're both amazingly repulsive but I love the first one. That gargantuan man-sized shoe jutting out in front of him, the ludicrous ruffle, the pained facial expression. He looks like a cross between a jowly, male Little Bo Peep and a jowly, male version of this lady from the "Pon de Floor" video:
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Seductive:
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EDIT: Found one more, this one has been retouched.
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Lol this fucker, he looks like Joy Behar.

 

[Trianon]

Looks like Joe did a professional photo shoot. I hope we get to see some more of these, he looks hilarious.

Who told him these look good? He's had much better photoshoots. Like, that angle, with that chin. No.

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Genuine lol.

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Joe demands immediate, full-scale illustrations for an undetermined price that includes publishing rights? Taking advantage of artists is a choice. I don't understand why art elements like this aren't handled by the publisher, or why they're important enough to NEED. Two illustrations in a DAY???

Spoiler

Joe also published this picture of his sister, so you can get a sense of the resemblance, and Mallory/Daniel. Mallory seems to be putting on some weight.

 

[Potatis Salad]

Joe also published this picture of his sister, so you can get a sense of the resemblance, and Mallory/Daniel. Mallory seems to be putting on some weight.

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I looked into this and it's just a friend, not Joe's actual family member. That pose with the defensive pillow and arms wrapped around herself is classic Mallory.

 

[Chapstick4Lyfe]

Oof, those quotes are how Mallory talks all the time. Just the constant anxiety of not doing "it" right, feminism or lesbianism or troonism. It's the polar opposite of how Joe acts. And despite having an advice column, Mallory tends to stay way more in her lane and only gets in feisty internet fights every now and then.

 

[KifflomKween]

He actually put this as his work profile photo. Un fucking believable.

Lavery is a sad autogynephile misogynist. Constantly begging for affirmation and asspats from his low-IQ brainwashed female fans. "OOh, so pretty, Grace! You go girl! Such beautiful skin!" these dingbats coo, unaware that filters exist and Lavery actually looks like a wrinkled deathly consumptive (how Victorian!). The neediness is embarrassing. Lavery spends a lot of time flabbily plopped around the house, taking slovenly selfies of the moobs brought on by the horse-piss pills, and they eat it up. "Oh, you're so unbelievably beautiful!" scrawl these hopeless spinsters to feed his ego.

What's with lonely old women and their infatuation with pathetic excuses of men like this sad sack?

 

[gorgon]

Joe is like the mutant offspring of Jonathan Yaniv and Marilyn Manson. it's utterly tragic how soggy he looks.

ETA: also! Jim Varney + Tony Hale.

ETA again: also also! here he is flexing his male-colonizer-of-lesbians'-existence (like all ~trans dykes~) status by posting an excerpt from the lesbian feminist underground comic, Hothead Paisan: Homicidal Lesbian Terrorist.

 

[OttoWest]

He actually put this as his work profile photo. Un fucking believable.
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What's with lonely old women and their infatuation with pathetic excuses of men like this sad sack?

I’d like to think older women see through Joe’s schtick, having probably dealt with a narc male or two in their lives. It’s the under 40 crowd that are sucking troon dick.

 

[mrae]

Joe also published this picture of his sister, so you can get a sense of the resemblance, and Mallory/Daniel. Mallory seems to be putting on some weight.

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I'm so used to seeing those dramatic FtM transformations...and then there's Mallory, who just got kind of doughy with a smattering of facial hair.