Biden Administration Urges Supreme Court To Let Cops Enter Homes And Seize Guns Without A Warrant - They're not coming for your guns and you still have The Constitution.

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The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday will hear oral argument in Caniglia v. Strom, a case that could have sweeping consequences for policing, due process, and mental health, with the Biden Administration and attorneys general from nine states urging the High Court to uphold warrantless gun confiscation. But what would ultimately become a major Fourth Amendment case began with an elderly couple’s spat over a coffee mug.

In August 2015, 68-year-old Edward Caniglia joked to Kim, his wife of 22 years, that he didn’t use a certain coffee mug after his brother-in-law had used it because he “might catch a case of dishonesty.” That quip quickly spiraled into an hour-long argument. Growing exhausted from the bickering, Edward stormed into his bedroom, grabbed an unloaded handgun, and put it on the kitchen table in front of his wife. With a flair for the dramatic, he then asked: “Why don’t you just shoot me and get me out of my misery?”

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the tactic backfired and the two continued to argue. Eventually, Edward took a drive to cool off. But when he returned, their argument flared up once again. This time, Kim decided to leave the house and spend the night at a motel. The next day, Kim phoned home. No answer.

Worried, she called the police in Cranston, Rhode Island and asked them to perform a “well check” on her husband and to escort her home. When they arrived, officers spoke with Edward on the back deck. According to an incident report, he “seemed normal,” “was calm for the most part,” and even said “he would never commit suicide.”

However, none of the officers had asked Edward any questions about the factors relating to his risk of suicide, risk of violence, or prior misuse of firearms. (Edward had no criminal record and no history of violence or self-harm.) In fact, one of the officers later admitted he “did not consult any specific psychological or psychiatric criteria” or medical professionals for his decisions that day.

Still, police were convinced that Edward could hurt himself and insisted he head to a local hospital for a psychiatric evaluation. After refusing and insisting that his mental health wasn’t their business, Edward agreed only after police (falsely) promised they wouldn’t seize his guns while he was gone.

Compounding the dishonesty, police then told Kim that Edward had consented to the confiscation. Believing the seizures were approved by her husband, Kim led the officers to the two handguns the couple owned, which were promptly seized. Even though Edward was immediately discharged from the hospital, police only returned the firearms after he filed a civil rights lawsuit against them.

Critically, when police seized the guns, they didn’t claim it was an emergency or to prevent imminent danger. Instead, the officers argued their actions were a form of “community caretaking,” a narrow exception to the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement.

First created by the Supreme Court nearly 50 years ago, the community caretaking exception was designed for cases involving impounded cars and highway safety, on the grounds that police are often called to car accidents to remove nuisances like inoperable vehicles on public roads.

Both a district and appellate court upheld the seizures as “reasonable” under the community caretaking exception. In deciding Caniglia’s case, the First Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals acknowledged that “the doctrine’s reach outside the motor vehicle context is ill-defined.” Nevertheless, the court decided to extend that doctrine to cover private homes, ruling that the officers “did not exceed the proper province of their community caretaking responsibilities.”

Siding with law enforcement, the First Circuit noted that a police officer “must act as a master of all emergencies, who is ‘expected to...provide an infinite variety of services to preserve and protect community safety.’” By letting police operate without a warrant, the community caretaking exception is “designed to give police elbow room to take appropriate action,” the court added.

In their opening brief for the Supreme Court, attorneys for Caniglia warned that “extending the community caretaking exception to homes would be anathema to the Fourth Amendment” because it “would grant police a blank check to intrude upon the home.”

That fear is not unwarranted. In jurisdictions that have extended the community caretaking exception to homes, “everything from loud music to leaky pipes have been used to justify warrantless invasion of the home,” a joint amicus brief by the ACLU, the Cato Institute, and the American Conservative Union revealed.

This expansion could also have perverse effects and disincentivize people from calling for help. As that brief noted, “When every interaction with police or request for help can become an invitation for police to invade the home, the willingness of individuals to seek assistance when it is most needed will suffer.”

But in its first amicus brief before the High Court, the Biden Administration glossed over these concerns and called on the justices to uphold the First Circuit’s ruling. Noting that “the ultimate touchstone of the Fourth Amendment is ‘reasonableness,’” the Justice Department argued that warrants should not be “presumptively required when a government official’s action is objectively grounded in a non-investigatory public interest, such as health or safety.”

“The ultimate question in this case is therefore not whether the respondent officers’ actions fit within some narrow warrant exception,” their brief stated, “but instead whether those actions were reasonable,” actions the Justice Department felt were “justified” in Caniglia’s case.


As a fail-safe, the Justice Department also urged the Supreme Court to uphold the lower court ruling on qualified immunity grounds, arguing that the officers’ “actions did not violate any clearly established law so as to render the officers individually liable in a damages action.”

But the Biden Administration, along with the courts that have extended the community caretaking exception, overlook a key component of the Fourth Amendment: the Security Clause. After all, the Fourth Amendment opens with the phrase, “the right of the people to be secure.”

In an amicus brief, the Institute for Justice noted that “to the Founding generation, ‘secure’ did not simply mean the right to be ‘spared’ an unreasonable search or seizure” but also involved “harms attributable to the potential for unreasonable searches and seizures.” Expanding the community caretaking exception to “allow warrantless entries into peoples’ homes on a whim,” argued the IJ brief, “invokes the arbitrary, looming threat of general writs that so incited the Framers” and would undermine “the right of the people to be secure” in their homes.

The IJ brief further argued that extending the “community caretaking” exception to the home would “flatly contradict” the Supreme Court's prior rulings, which “has only discussed community caretaking in the context of vehicle searches and seizures.” In those cases, “the animating purpose for the exception [was] to allow officers to remove damaged or abandoned vehicles that pose a risk to public safety.” By contrast, the IJ amicus asserted, “that justification is entirely absent” when it comes to homes.

“The Fourth Amendment protects our right to be secure in our property, which means the right to be free from fear that the police will enter your house without warning or authorization,” said Institute for Justice Attorney Joshua Windham. “A rule that allows police to burst into your home without a warrant whenever they feel they are acting as ‘community caretakers’ is a threat to everyone’s security.”
 
If the Russians or the Chinese were really trying to influence America there would be a shitload of AK's, RPG's, mortars, Claymores, and body armor and shit just FLOODING the fucking market.

If the Chinese really wanted to fuck with the US, they could use the companies they own in the US to sell their shitty SKSs for like $50, full fucking level 3 hard plate body armor for $10, and fucking swamp the market with easy to modify shit as well as offer bullets for like $0.10 a pound.

it would do more to destabilize America under the BIDEN HARRIS RULERSHIP(TM)(R) then buying shitty facebook ads, AND get rid of all that fucking shitty surplus.
 
Am I a bad person for wanting bad things to happen on their watch? Wishing they'll trip over their own ladydicks and screw the pooch so they don't go down in history favorably is the only hope I seem to have left.
When laws, morality, and everything else is so fucking flexible with these people who try to hold you to a static idea; no. There comes a point in time where you have to put you foot down and say "No more." When the people pushing you have no problem using violence against you; it's not unreasonable to want to see it returned on them. Fuck optics and morality; you can either be a bigot or get your throat slit (and then be a dead bigot).


... full fucking level 3 hard plate body armor for $10, and fucking swamp the market with easy to modify shit as well as offer bullets for like $0.10 a pound.
You're getting me all hot and bothered, stop it.
 
In the place of a fedpost:
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
 
If the Russians or the Chinese were really trying to influence America there would be a shitload of AK's, RPG's, mortars, Claymores, and body armor and shit just FLOODING the fucking market.

If the Chinese really wanted to fuck with the US, they could use the companies they own in the US to sell their shitty SKSs for like $50, full fucking level 3 hard plate body armor for $10, and fucking swamp the market with easy to modify shit as well as offer bullets for like $0.10 a pound.

it would do more to destabilize America under the BIDEN HARRIS RULERSHIP(TM)(R) then buying shitty facebook ads, AND get rid of all that fucking shitty surplus.
Norinco and Kalashnikov Concern are sanctioned, so they'd either need elaborate smuggling operations or to find a way to airdrop them into the States.

Also, the Chinese don't want the Biden/Harris administration destabilized. Why would they undermine their newest, most prized Vichy regime?

All they'd need to bring America to its knees is to call all that fucking debt.
 
Not only does the Harris administration make me miss the Trump days, but (and I NEVER thought I would say this) it also makes me miss the Obama days.

Gotta give it to Obama: at least he was never stupid enough to try to take away all our guns. He may have tried to take away certain firearms, but as far as I recall he never went to court arguing that taking away any and all guns without a warrant just because they feel like it is in serving the public safety. I don't agree with much that the man did or said, but no one can say he isn't smart.

Now, on the other hand, this doesn't surprise me at all coming from Obamas court jester. Just as not many people can argue that Obama isn't smart, not many people can argue that Biden isn't stupid as a mother fucker.
 
The southern border says hi. They don't need an elaborate smuggling operation; just need to cut a deal with the people who already make runs across the border.
Would that get the Dems to start taking border security seriously? Would they sacrifice their electoral imports and slave labor to stop the big bad guns?
 
Would that get the Dems to start taking border security seriously? Would they sacrifice their electoral imports and slave labor to stop the big bad guns?
Of course not; the votes keep them in power, and they have private security as well as walls, barbed wire, and video surveillance. It's what fucking kills me about all the bleeding hearts, they somehow think all the people who get in by walking across the desert is going to be as productive or efficient as the people who paid for a boat ticket with no guarantee of getting in and no social safety net. Look at the places they're leaving, that's what they'll make/vote for. The elites in those countries can violate whatever law they want and have the money to do whatever they want; that's what all the new arrivals will vote for.
 
Would that get the Dems to start taking border security seriously? Would they sacrifice their electoral imports and slave labor to stop the big bad guns?
They already have almost no control over guns crossing the border. Anyone remember Fast and Furious? Obunga had to issue an executive order to gag the story so people wouldn't realize just how bad the problem is. AG Holder became the first ever cabinet member to be held to a charge of contempt of congress to keep it quiet.
 
They already have almost no control over guns crossing the border. Anyone remember Fast and Furious? Obunga had to issue an executive order to gag the story so people wouldn't realize just how bad the problem is.
They let those guns fall into Cartel hands on purpose from FFLs in the Southwest, so tragedy would strike, thus giving them emotional blackmail for gun control.

The Rooskies and ChiComs smuggling guns in would be the opposite problem.
 
They let those guns fall into Cartel hands on purpose from FFLs in the Southwest, so tragedy would strike, thus giving them emotional blackmail for gun control.

The Rooskies and ChiComs smuggling guns in would be the opposite problem.
My point was that they managed to to find less than 1/3 of the guns they were tracking from the very start at the point of sale. How well do you think they'll do if they're unregistered?
 
What you're going to see if this comes close to passing is a bunch of Sheriffs/Counties becoming Gun Sanctuary cities much like there was a bunch of illegal aliens Sanctuary cities under Trump.
Leftist morons don't understand how local sheriffs work. Back last summer, some of the dumbasses marched through Bethel, OH, which is right on the edge of rural and never had police or race issues but whatever. Well, some Iron Horsemen live out that way, the town sheriff told them it was him and a couple deputies and they couldn't protect them if things got heated and a couple people got roughed up a bit. The lefties were bitching online, wanting to report the elected sheriff to his "police department" and get him fired.

Anyways, I'm really starting to think these morons want Right Wing "Defense" Squads. Because this is how you get Right Wing "Defense" Squads.
 
A small part of me hope this passes, then is dissovled after a mountain of dead cops got what they deserve.
I love it, everyday law enforcement gets more and more isolated from the public. They've long been anathema to the left but the last year has really shown the right whose side they are on.

This is a fucking disaster waiting to happen but disaster is the only way to turn around.
 
What you're going to see if this comes close to passing is a bunch of Sheriffs/Counties becoming Gun Sanctuary cities much like there was a bunch of illegal aliens Sanctuary cities under Trump.
It's already happening. You don't see it here often, and it's true that 2A is in danger nationally, but at the state and local levels, I dare say gun rights are winning. More and more states and counties are becoming 2A Sanctuaries and passing constitutional carry.

Edit: which is why "defund the police" is really a dog whistle for "federalize the police". They know cops from the community of Buttfuck Nowhere will tell the feds to go pound sand, and thus, want to ensure cops will always be loyal Redcoats.
 
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