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You got played like a fiddle, nigbone.
Which part? The one where you guys literally made up things about me and then got angry at me for "lying" because I am exactly what I said I was and not what you guys made up? I was totally played. 🤣

Or is it the part where you're trying to goad me into outing people for you to dox? Sounds like you need to read the KF rules better.
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Apparently, Vic is voicing a character in a web series called Cosmic Dawn. I wasn't aware.

Anyway, a VA who also worked on the project got offended that Vic was part of the project, so he decided to pull out.

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Guess it's nice of him to say that he wishes the creator the best of luck and that he's not trying to ruin the whole web series.

What I don't get is that he just had to bring up Vic by name as the reason why he's dropping out of the project. What's the point? Why couldn't he just write: "I dropped out of the project due to personal reasons. I wish Jason the best of luck for the future." Why is that so hard? He had to get them brownie points, I guess.

If he has a problem with Vic, he should contact him directly. I wonder if he ever tried to have a conversation with Vic before he decided Vic was such an evil human being that he couldn't allow himself to be associated with him.
 
Apparently, Vic is voicing a character in a web series called Cosmic Dawn. I wasn't aware.

Anyway, a VA who also worked on the project got offended that Vic was part of the project, so he decided to pull out.

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Guess it's nice of him to say that he wishes the creator the best of luck and that he's not trying to ruin the whole web series.

What I don't get is that he just had to bring up Vic by name as the reason why he's dropping out of the project. What's the point? Why couldn't he just write: "I dropped out of the project due to personal reasons. I wish Jason the best of luck for the future." Why is that so hard? He had to get them brownie points, I guess.

If he has a problem with Vic, he should contact him directly. I wonder if he ever tried to have a conversation with Vic before he decided Vic was such an evil human being that he couldn't allow himself to be associated with him.
Why was Vic mentioned? Because that’s a signal for KV to be sicced onto something Vic is up to.
 
Why was Vic mentioned? Because that’s a signal for KV to be sicced onto something Vic is up to.
Because when you quietly bow out, it doesn't leave a paper trail of reasons for exiting. When conventions quietly cancelled or black listed Vic, and it was brought up later, people complained that since it wasn't out there publicly, it didn't exist.

So you don't like it if people publicly say he's the reason and you don't like it if they're quiet about it because that means in 3-5 years they were liars for never having said it when it happened.

Which do you want? If you want both, then it seems you more just want to be angry than anything.
 
What I don't get is that he just had to bring up Vic by name as the reason why he's dropping out of the project. What's the point? Why couldn't he just write: "I dropped out of the project due to personal reasons. I wish Jason the best of luck for the future." Why is that so hard? He had to get them brownie points, I guess.
Because how else would you virtue signal that you stand against the Bad Vic Man.

Because when you quietly bow out, it doesn't leave a paper trail of reasons for exiting. When conventions quietly cancelled or black listed Vic, and it was brought up later, people complained that since it wasn't out there publicly, it didn't exist.

So you don't like it if people publicly say he's the reason and you don't like it if they're quiet about it because that means in 3-5 years they were liars for never having said it when it happened.

Which do you want? If you want both, then it seems you more just want to be angry than anything.
That makes the assumption that they were quiet because they had indeed blacklisted him. We have no evidence that he was blacklisted from any con prior to 2019. They made up the fiction of Vic being banned or blacklisted when he wasn't to support current year narrative.

In 2019 and onward, when they quietly cancelled Vic, people could read the writing on the wall and could conclude the con runners were being gigantic knee-bending faggots.

And if someone virtue signaled that they were canceling because of Vic, they were still gigantic faggots, just more open about it.
 
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Because how else would you virtue signal that you stand against the Bad Vic Man.


That makes the assumption that they were quiet because they had indeed blacklisted him. We have no evidence that he was blacklisted from any con prior to 2019.

In 2019 and onward, when they quietly cancelled Vic, people could read the writing on the wall and could conclude the con runners were being gigantic knee-bending faggots.

And if someone virtue signaled that they were canceling because of Vic, they were still gigantic faggots, just more open about it.
So the basis is if you personally were able to ascertain a reason or not? This is my point exactly. You disagree with him being blacklisted from any cons prior to 2019 because they didn't publicly say "we blacklisted Vic". So in order to "provide evidence" that he is being blacklisted or that people are discontinuing projects due to him, that means people need to publicly say their reason so you can't go back in the future and claim there is no evidence.
 
So the basis is if you personally were able to ascertain a reason or not? This is my point exactly. You disagree with him being blacklisted from any cons prior to 2019 because they didn't publicly say "we blacklisted Vic". So in order to "provide evidence" that he is being blacklisted or that people are discontinuing projects due to him, that means people need to publicly say their reason so you can't go back in the future and claim there is no evidence.
You're being obtuse.

It was an issue prior to 2019 because people are using the make-believe that Vic was banned from cons in prior years to bolster the the narrative that Vic has a history of being banned.

In current year, it's in vogue to publicly denounce the evil Lasagna man to score MeToo points. In short, they're being virtue signaling faggots.
 
You don't need to be a lawyer to be part of the rabble that is LawTwitter.
There are non-lawyers that follow the lawyers in LawTwitter much in the same vein those same lawyers follow PopeHat.
BT is a great example of this by the way. He has cited LawTwitter in the past when it came to discussing Vic's lawsuit.
 
You're being obtuse.

It was an issue prior to 2019 because people are using the make-believe that Vic was banned from cons in prior years to bolster the the narrative that Vic has a history of being banned.

In current year, it's in vogue to publicly denounce the evil Lasagna man to score MeToo points. In short, they're being virtue signaling faggots.
And unless they publicly announce it, you will call it "make-believe".

So if they publicly say it, you call them faggots. If they don't, it was made up. Sounds like it's lose/lose for them.
 
And unless they publicly announce it, you will call it "make-believe".

So if they publicly say it, you call them faggots. If they don't, it was made up. Sounds like it's lose/lose for them.
That's because every single last person accusing Vic of being a sex predator/rapist/whatever is lying. Regardless whether if it's intentional or if they are mentally ill, they ARE lying.

Hanleia/Allison Cooke (Who was among the earliest to start all of this) chose to believe the Vic rumors because someone else (who had a history of BRAIN TRAMA by the way) confused him with Illich Guardiola.
 
And unless they publicly announce it, you will call it "make-believe".

So if they publicly say it, you call them faggots. If they don't, it was made up. Sounds like it's lose/lose for them.
It's not hard to understand. They're either liars or they're virtue signalers jumping on a social zeitgeist to further the damage against a man.

You're also pointedly conflating pre 2019 and post 2019.
 
That's because every single last person accusing Vic of being a sex predator/rapist/whatever is lying. Regardless whether if it's intentional or if they are mentally ill, they ARE lying.

Hanleia/Allison Cooke (Who was among the earliest to start all of this) chose to believe the Vic rumors because someone else (who had a history of BRAIN TRAMA by the way) confused him with Illich Guardiola.
There we go. That's what I wanted you to admit to. Thank you. No matter what evidence exists or will exist, it will all be lies to you. That doesn't sound like someone who evaluates things based on evidence. I thought that's what you guys said you did?
IRL you say? Interesting choice of words yet again...
"Hide your powerlevel. Avoid revealing intimate, embarrassing details about yourself. Declaring a post powerleveling does not magically exempt you from this rule."
 
And unless they publicly announce it, you will call it "make-believe".

So if they publicly say it, you call them faggots. If they don't, it was made up. Sounds like it's lose/lose for them.
It is, because it proves they’re full of shit. Because they show they’re lying. Until this whole thing happened, Vic was still getting work and going to cons. Nobody disinvited him despite all rumors; they still employed them. Even cons who no longer want anything to him were still reinviting him. But now all of a sudden, they’re saying they were banning him back then? Come on.

And let’s just for argument’s sake that Vic was a sex pest and that he was being a problem child. These cons don’t just cover anime but also video games, comic books, graphic novels, Western animation, manga, TV shows and movies. You’re trying to tell me that an industry of thousands of leading figures couldn’t take care of one measly voice actor? That the VA community, which is composed of hundreds, maybe thousands, of people couldn’t handle him? That Vic was so powerful that all it took to destroy his life was firing him over a jellybean joke? Doesn’t that, in a way, make them complicit and more responsible for his alleged shenanigans?

There’s grasping straws and then there’s searching in vain to find them.
 
It is, because it proves they’re full of shit. Because they show they’re lying. Until this whole thing happened, Vic was still getting work and going to cons. Nobody disinvited him despite all rumors; they still employed them. Even cons who no longer want anything to him were still reinviting him. But now all of a sudden, they’re saying they were banning him back then? Come on.

And let’s just for argument’s sake that Vic was a sex pest and that he was being a problem child. These cons don’t just cover anime but also video games, comic books, graphic novels, Western animation, manga, TV shows and movies. You’re trying to tell me that an industry of thousands of leading figures couldn’t take care of one measly voice actor? That the VA community, which is composed of hundreds, maybe thousands, of people couldn’t handle him? That Vic was so powerful that all it took to destroy his life was firing him over a jellybean joke? Doesn’t that, in a way, make them complicit and more responsible for his alleged shenanigans?

There’s grasping straws and then there’s searching in vain to find them.
What I am hearing is that because you personally weren't privy to private information that it didn't exist. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Look at how you reacted to when he was outed. That is the exact reason why he stayed for so long. You're the perfect example of why it was so hard to get rid of him. Lets not forget that it was SONY that fired Vic, not Funi directly. He was fired shortly after Sony finished taking over which is suspected due to him being protected by Gen Fukunaga. Gen is definitely complicit for allowing this to happen for so long. Good thing he isn't fully in charge anymore.

I noticed that any hypothetical in which Vic did do something, it always includes someone else being to blame and that somehow shifting the blame from Vic for his actions? So in these hypotheticals, does Vic carry any blame for his own actions or is it entirely the fault of the people who didn't stop him?
 
And unless they publicly announce it, you will call it "make-believe".

So if they publicly say it, you call them faggots. If they don't, it was made up. Sounds like it's lose/lose for them.
The reasons why the "Vic was banned from such-such con" prior to 2019 gets such flak are A) much of those cons that many in KickVic claim he was banned from ended up inviting him again the next year. Obviously, the people making these claims are not in management and thus are not involved in decision-making for the con. B) If any documented records of Vic being banned from a convention prior to 2019 exist, then they have not surfaced. Take Peter Gaudoin, the current CEO of Tekkoshocon, for example. When Jennifer Lynn Hunt claimed Vic was banned from Tekkoshocon, Gaudoin came out and said that were no records in his possession that Vic was ever banned from the convention. Granted, Gaudoin said that prior management might have, but such records were not passed to him when he became the owner. You would think such archived reports would be important for future owners to have, right? You know, "for the safety of congoers"? That being said, there are two possibilities: such records got lost when convention management changed or they never existed in the first place.
 
What I am hearing is that because you personally weren't privy to private information that it didn't exist. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Look at how you reacted to when he was outed. That is the exact reason why he stayed for so long. You're the perfect example of why it was so hard to get rid of him. Lets not forget that it was SONY that fired Vic, not Funi directly. He was fired shortly after Sony finished taking over which is suspected due to him being protected by Gen Fukunaga. Gen is definitely complicit for allowing this to happen for so long. Good thing he isn't fully in charge anymore.

I noticed that any hypothetical in which Vic did do something, it always includes someone else being to blame and that somehow shifting the blame from Vic for his actions? So in these hypotheticals, does Vic carry any blame for his own actions or is it entirely the fault of the people who didn't stop him?
Where’s the proof he did anything he’s accused of? Still waiting for it.
 
The reasons why the "Vic was banned from such-such con" prior to 2019 gets such flak are A) much of those cons that many in KickVic claim he was banned from ended up inviting him again the next year. Obviously, the people making these claims are not in management and thus are not involved in decision-making for the con. B) If any documented records of Vic being banned from a convention prior to 2019 exist, then they have not surfaced. Take Peter Gaudoin, the current CEO of Tekkoshocon, for example. When Jennifer Lynn Hunt claimed Vic was banned from Tekkoshocon, Gaudoin came out and said that were no records in his possession that Vic was ever banned from the convention. Granted, Gaudoin said that prior management might have, but such records were not passed to him when he became the owner. You would think such archived reports would be important for future owners to have, right? You know, "for the safety of congoers"? That being said, there are two possibilities: such records got lost when convention management changed or they never existed in the first place.
You're also conflating the record keeping by conventions as efficient and not primarily by word of mouth. These are for the most part fan run events and have no legal guideline or responsibility for record keeping. Yes, that sucks and is on the cons, but your logic is based on an assumption based on flawed logic.
Where’s the proof he did anything he’s accused of? Still waiting for it.
Seeing as literally anything presented to you results in you covered your ears and yelling "nanananana its all lies" as shown by your buddy above, I would say that the standards of evidence for you versus the legal system are 2 different things. Good thing your standards aren't what matter in his employment decisions.
 
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