ANTIFA / Antifascist Action / Antifaschistische Aktion - The anti-fascist gang with fascist tendencies

AnOminous said:
They also claim to be ancoms, anarcho-communists, something that literally can't exist.
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Whatever the case is, they're all radical leftists who listen to Punk and are violently contemptuous of "white supremacy" and "Fascism", however they choose to define either.

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3119967d0c said:
lol let me know when antifa attack a talk by one of their bosses, a guy like Ben Shapiro, rather than anyone who stands up to them
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Wut?

They werent all blocced up and shit didnt get too crazy, but they were there, and they did attack a couple people. Sunsara Taylor gave speeches in the street outside the auditorium and Yvette Felarca and her goon squad chased Lauren Southern out of the neighborhood after the event. Things were kept relatively calm because there were a fuckton of police and the roads into the neighborhood were blocked to vehicle traffic and the BPD banned all "weapons" including shields, flagpoles and sign posts inside their perimeter.
 
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Particle Bored said:
Wut?

They werent all blocced up and shit didnt get too crazy, but they were there, and they did attack a couple people. Sunsara Taylor gave speeches in the street outside the auditorium and Yvette Felarca and her goon squad chased Lauren Southern out of the neighborhood after the event. Things were kept relatively calm because there were a fuckton of police and the roads into the neighborhood were blocked to vehicle traffic and the BPD banned all "weapons" including shields, flagpoles and sign posts inside their perimeter.
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So... no serious attack, nobody gets stabbed, antifa's police allies collude in not letting anyone kick their ass. A joke
 
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Particle Bored said:
Wut?

They werent all blocced up and shit didnt get too crazy, but they were there, and they did attack a couple people. Sunsara Taylor gave speeches in the street outside the auditorium and Yvette Felarca and her goon squad chased Lauren Southern out of the neighborhood after the event. Things were kept relatively calm because there were a fuckton of police and the roads into the neighborhood were blocked to vehicle traffic and the BPD banned all "weapons" including shields, flagpoles and sign posts inside their perimeter.
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Steven Crowder talked about this on the Joe Rogan show. He says that police literally had snipers positioned on rooftops when Shapiro went to Berkley. Sounds crazy but not really when you consider what happened when Milo had his get together.
 
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Never understood the appeal of living in an anarchist state like Liberia or most of Brazil and most definitely don't get the appeal of a communist one. Even in my teens the idea of living in a lawless hell would have unnerved me. They play up the anarchist part a bunch but anyone who knows communism and socialism knows you have to first destabilize the current state and overthrow it to replace it. Rules for radicals I believe goes into that. It's more a transitional thing going into whatever socialist/communist state they want to dream about having. I have to assume Antifa people are A) Larpers who just want to break shit B) down for the cause and think they are in some super hero movie beating the "badguy". It's all so very childish. How low an IQ do you have to have to think that wanting to be North Korea or Liberia is a good thing?

TLDR: The amount of idealist daydreaming Antifags who believe they are actually going to change the country into a socialist utopia baffles me. It's 15 year old thinking.
 
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Deathfromabove said:
Never understood the appeal of living in an anarchist state like Liberia or most of Brazil and most definitely don't get the appeal of a communist one. Even in my teens the idea of living in a lawless hell would have unnerved me. They play up the anarchist part a bunch but anyone who knows communism and socialism knows you have to first destabilize the current state and overthrow it to replace it. Rules for radicals I believe goes into that. It's more a transitional thing going into whatever socialist/communist state they want to dream about having. I have to assume Antifa people are A) Larpers who just want to break shit B) down for the cause and think they are in some super hero movie beating the "badguy". It's all so very childish. How low an IQ do you have to have to think that wanting to be North Korea or Liberia is a good thing?

TLDR: The amount of idealist daydreaming Antifags who believe they are actually going to change the country into a socialist utopia baffles me. It's 15 year old thinking.
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lol antifa are literally defending the regime that rules over you
 
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Deathfromabove said:
Never understood the appeal of living in an anarchist state like Liberia or most of Brazil and most definitely don't get the appeal of a communist one. Even in my teens the idea of living in a lawless hell would have unnerved me. They play up the anarchist part a bunch but anyone who knows communism and socialism knows you have to first destabilize the current state and overthrow it to replace it. Rules for radicals I believe goes into that. It's more a transitional thing going into whatever socialist/communist state they want to dream about having. I have to assume Antifa people are A) Larpers who just want to break shit B) down for the cause and think they are in some super hero movie beating the "badguy". It's all so very childish. How low an IQ do you have to have to think that wanting to be North Korea or Liberia is a good thing?

TLDR: The amount of idealist daydreaming Antifags who believe they are actually going to change the country into a socialist utopia baffles me. It's 15 year old thinking.
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Are you really surprised that an entire generation of people whose literary exposure peaks at Harry Potter engage in teenage delusions into their 20's and 30's?
 
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Deathfromabove said:
Never understood the appeal of living in an anarchist state like Liberia or most of Brazil and most definitely don't get the appeal of a communist one. Even in my teens the idea of living in a lawless hell would have unnerved me. They play up the anarchist part a bunch but anyone who knows communism and socialism knows you have to first destabilize the current state and overthrow it to replace it. Rules for radicals I believe goes into that. It's more a transitional thing going into whatever socialist/communist state they want to dream about having. I have to assume Antifa people are A) Larpers who just want to break shit B) down for the cause and think they are in some super hero movie beating the "badguy". It's all so very childish. How low an IQ do you have to have to think that wanting to be North Korea or Liberia is a good thing?

TLDR: The amount of idealist daydreaming Antifags who believe they are actually going to change the country into a socialist utopia baffles me. It's 15 year old thinking.
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@DiscoRodeo, @Donker or @KimCoppolaAficionado could probably put it in better terms than me, but most Antifa wouldn't want to live in a state like either Liberia or Brazil. Most Antifa supporters don't even dedicate much thought to Anarchist philosophy beyond whatever their favorite Punk bands preach about. Of those who are better read and dedicated to their political convictions, their ideal place would probably resemble the Paris Commune, Anarchist Catalonia, Makhnovia or even CHAZ prior to shit going downhill fast. In any case, most are resigned to the fact that they can't change the liberal capitalist society they live in, so they do the little they can to put their ideas into practice.

This isn't to put any of you on the spot, but seeing that you're some of this forum's more dedicated and better read leftists with some lived experience, perhaps you can better enlighten this guy.
 
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RichardMongler said:
@DiscoRodeo, @Donker or @KimCoppolaAficionado could probably put it in better terms than me, but most Antifa wouldn't want to live in a state like either Liberia or Brazil. Most Antifa supporters don't even dedicate much thought to Anarchist philosophy beyond whatever their favorite Punk bands preach about. Of those who are better read and dedicated to their political convictions, their ideal place would probably resemble the Paris Commune, Anarchist Catalonia, Makhnovia or even CHAZ prior to shit going downhill fast. In any case, most are resigned to the fact that they can't change the liberal capitalist society they live in, so they do the little they can to put their ideas into practice.

This isn't to put any of you on the spot, but seeing that you're some of this forum's more dedicated and better read leftists with some lived experience, perhaps you can better enlighten this guy.
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Deathfromabove said:
Never understood the appeal of living in an anarchist state like Liberia or most of Brazil and most definitely don't get the appeal of a communist one. Even in my teens the idea of living in a lawless hell would have unnerved me. They play up the anarchist part a bunch but anyone who knows communism and socialism knows you have to first destabilize the current state and overthrow it to replace it. Rules for radicals I believe goes into that. It's more a transitional thing going into whatever socialist/communist state they want to dream about having. I have to assume Antifa people are A) Larpers who just want to break shit B) down for the cause and think they are in some super hero movie beating the "badguy". It's all so very childish. How low an IQ do you have to have to think that wanting to be North Korea or Liberia is a good thing?

TLDR: The amount of idealist daydreaming Antifags who believe they are actually going to change the country into a socialist utopia baffles me. It's 15 year old thinking.
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Well, I'm drunk, but let me try anyways.
1. About half of ANTIFA put about as much serious consideration into their political positions as half the members of their right-wing brothers in the Oathkeepers or various other hard-right militia groups- none at all. "Government Bad, (Other Party Bad), Smash the State/ZOG" is a high-IQ position in either of these tranches because it isn't "I'm mad, break stuff". It's not a coherent position as much as an expression of anger and frustration at a system that's seriously failed the people in it. I know most people on here think that ANTIFA are a bunch of latte-sipping trustifarians who've never gone hungry a day in their life, and I won't deny that those fags exist- but so do prep-school members of the alt-Right who just want to say nigger a lot and provoke cops for the lols, and neither of these groups should reflect on the downtrodden among them who suffer for the rich kids' actions.
2. The ANTIFA members who have their brains plugged in do not want to become Liberia, Somalia, the DPRK, or (insert infamous socialist/communist dictatorship or blood-soaked anarchy here). There might be a few who are full-blown tankies, but they glom on in the same way that most hard-right groups have Neo-Nazis or weird reactionaries glom onto them- they both agree that (Current) Government Bad, and can work out their differences later. ANTIFA who want to drastically remake American society envision something akin to the idealized syndicalist leagues as the end goal, where groups of voluntarily-associating people form their own pseudo-governments without the asymmetric application of coercive force from a centralized, hierarchical government. Most of them also recognize that this is never going to happen, so they just want social welfare policies closer to those that exist in Europe (and which, bluntly, exist even in rabidly nationalist and traditional countries like Poland).
 
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KimCoppolaAficionado said:
I know most people on here think that ANTIFA are a bunch of latte-sipping trustifarians who've never gone hungry a day in their life, and I won't deny that those fags exist- but so do prep-school members of the alt-Right who just want to say nigger a lot and provoke cops for the lols, and neither of these groups should reflect on the downtrodden among them who suffer for the rich kids' actions.
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I'll admit to being guilty of having these assumptions periodically when I should know better. I've met more than my share of squatting crust punks who grew up in abject misery with parents who barely scraped by, one of who died of an overdose before he could legally drink. Dismissing Antifa as a project of the bourgeoisie fails to account for the popular support it receives among the downtrodden. That said, plenty of Antifa leaders and influencers come from privileged backgrounds, so the assumption isn't unfounded.
 
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RichardMongler said:
Whatever the case is, they're all radical leftists who listen to Punk and are violently contemptuous of "white supremacy" and "Fascism", however they choose to define either.

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I've said it many times before and I will say it again.

Punk was a mistake. It was never good.
 
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