Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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Patch 1 reworks Germany after complaints from the community that it is not enjoyable. We add in a fifth possible contender, content for the other three possible leaders (DSR, RNW, Speidel) and throw in a new tree for Bohemia and Poland. Bormann is cut as a possibility entirely.
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Soy Chad said:
I'm not an expert on game development or anything, but I think it's probably a bad thing that the mod has just released and they are already having to rework half of the major countries.
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Panzer moment throwing two years of work out the window through deleting Bormann.
 
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FreshThrowawayKiwi said:
Regarding the endless reworks, Panzer drew this thing up shortly before release and before he left the team. No idea if they're still following it or not, or if they are, how much it's been altered since it was made.

TL;DR: It's basically a manifesto for the team to follow for the rest of the mod's development after release. The first sentence is quite telling.
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I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO MINIMIZE CRUNCH!!! THERE WASNT SUPPOSED TO BE MORE!!!​

Through our efforts, including the efforts of every person on this team to see this done, and thanks to the combined blood sweat and tears of all of this, we have minimized it. What was going to be a month long crunch sesh that would have seen every person on this team dead from the cosmic burnout has been minimized down to a period of a single week or two. Pat yourself on the back, the crunch is going to be astronomically shorter than it could have been through our hard work.
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To give you an idea of how bad this could have been, I am friends with several testers on Cyberpunk 2077.

They’ve been crunching for around four months.

They have four more months of mandatory 60 hour week crunch at a minimum.
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I'm going to be honest here, Panzer is an absolute cunt.

This is a free mod that by the time this document was written, Panzer confirmed directly in his own interview that he had given up work on TNO. The fact that he basically tells the people on the developer team that "You should count yourselves lucky, I know people who are way harder workers" is not only an entitled view to have, but an utterly delusional one as well. Why did the team have such a high turnover, why does everyone hate Panzer? Why does the rest of the modding community hold him and TNO in such contempt? The team is supposedly full of leftwing types who probably disapprove of workers being treated like this, but then why the fuck try to replicate it?

The reason is simple. This reprehensible moron lead his project through more or less saying "Fuck you" to everyone on his team for several years and by it created a community in which the prevailing attitude towards everyone and everything is a dismissive "Fuck you".

You want to play as this country? Fuck you, no you can't. You don't want to churn out shitty localization for this country? Fuck you. We aren't doing justice to some historical person? Fuck you. You made a meme or media for this? Fuck you. Etc

No wonder this project is a failure.
 
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FreshThrowawayKiwi said:
Regarding the endless reworks, Panzer drew this thing up shortly before release and before he left the team. No idea if they're still following it or not, or if they are, how much it's been altered since it was made.

TL;DR: It's basically a manifesto for the team to follow for the rest of the mod's development after release. The first sentence is quite telling.
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Gosh, i'm jealous of Panzer of how he have such a strong cult of personality to the point he enact Work Quota for his workers who are free of wages, if only i have such a strong Cult of Personality
 
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Panzer: I dont like cult of personality TNOtards created and I want to suppress it.
Also Panzer:
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Bat'Ko the Radek said:
Gosh, i'm jealous of Panzer of how he have such a strong cult of personality to the point he enact Work Quota for his workers who are free of wages, if only i have such a strong Cult of Personality
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I don't think it's his personality as much is it is just manipulation.

Imagine being a developer for this mod. You work around 3 to (maybe) 6 hours a day on this cool alternate history game simply out of love for history/mod developing/coding experience/the prestige of working in such a big project.
Then one of the major devs for the project come up to you and say you need to work faster because the community is waiting patiently for the release date but the mod is not gonna be ready in time!
You are already invested on this mod, you don't wanna disapoint anybody, you don't wanna be expelled from the mod's development for not working hard enough, you don't want to leave this community you've been part of for so long, and why would the major dev be possibly "using" you?
So you work harder and harder, 3 hours a day becomes 5 hours a day and then 7 hours a day and then whatever hours are needed to please your friends at the mod team. You don't want them, and the community, to be disapointed in you.

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Screaming at redditors makes them work harder out of desperation and Panzer is really good at screaming
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
I should, but it's easier if I have a condensed summary of all that's happened. I know Pacifica got ousted but I'm not sure what state the mod is in now.
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Oh lord, uh, you've missed A LOT, my friend. TL;DR TNO had an intersex minor who did degenerate things, all their crap got leaked, and they're still coping seething and dilating to this day. Joe Pcola is a pedo who prayed on a 16-year-old autistic girl and is getting trolled by Slackjawed and crew still. Algerian General of Darkest Hour knowingly hired Hammy (someone who admitted to being attracted to 13-year-olds) because "they were going to therapy", and he kept them on the team at least until last April and most certainly more. He's also still probably in contact with said pedophile, hence why he's defending her (it's actually a her because they're cis)
 
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Sneedwaffen oberfuhrer said:
I'm going to be honest here, Panzer is an absolute cunt.

This is a free mod that by the time this document was written, Panzer confirmed directly in his own interview that he had given up work on TNO. The fact that he basically tells the people on the developer team that "You should count yourselves lucky, I know people who are way harder workers" is not only an entitled view to have, but an utterly delusional one as well. Why did the team have such a high turnover, why does everyone hate Panzer? Why does the rest of the modding community hold him and TNO in such contempt? The team is supposedly full of leftwing types who probably disapprove of workers being treated like this, but then why the fuck try to replicate it?

The reason is simple. This reprehensible moron lead his project through more or less saying "Fuck you" to everyone on his team for several years and by it created a community in which the prevailing attitude towards everyone and everything is a dismissive "Fuck you".

You want to play as this country? Fuck you, no you can't. You don't want to churn out shitty localization for this country? Fuck you. We aren't doing justice to some historical person? Fuck you. You made a meme or media for this? Fuck you. Etc

No wonder this project is a failure.
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We lost India for shit like Komi, the entire upper dev team does jack shit and has no checks to their absolute power. From my understanding of KR Team, they give their regional teams liberties to work at their own pace. Currently their India rework is in the freezer as the devs of it have some burn out right now.
Bat'Ko the Radek said:
Gosh, i'm jealous of Panzer of how he have such a strong cult of personality to the point he enact Work Quota for his workers who are free of wages, if only i have such a strong Cult of Personality
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Something tells me he was bullied in school and as a cope created this personality cult not realizing it doesn't translate outside of his pedo filled mod.
Radola Gajda said:
Panzer: I dont like cult of personality TNOtards created and I want to suppress it.
Also Panzer: View attachment 2024401
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"No guys it is satire!!!" -Panzer
 
Gone Ham said:
Oh lord, uh, you've missed A LOT, my friend. TL;DR TNO had an intersex minor who did degenerate things, all their crap got leaked, and they're still coping seething and dilating to this day. Joe Pcola is a pedo who prayed on a 16-year-old autistic girl and is getting trolled by Slackjawed and crew still. Algerian General of Darkest Hour knowingly hired Hammy (someone who admitted to being attracted to 13-year-olds) because "they were going to therapy", and he kept them on the team at least until last April and most certainly more. He's also still probably in contact with said pedophile, hence why he's defending her (it's actually a her because they're cis)
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TNO devs had multiple minors in their ranks Mupper ,Chai and I think atleast two others who confessed their age in chat. Adult members encouraged "hornyposting" And even joined on the "fun" And even encouraged them to play Erotic RP with them on some site .
Panzer knew atleast back in 2018 And didnt act.
Like three pages back in this thread are screenshot of "spicy" things that I found personaly in their chats.
 
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Does anyone know how to access the redux mods? From what I've seen, they actually have relatively sane lore & settings. I would like to check'em out.
 
Sneedwaffen oberfuhrer said:
I'm going to be honest here, Panzer is an absolute cunt.

This is a free mod that by the time this document was written, Panzer confirmed directly in his own interview that he had given up work on TNO. The fact that he basically tells the people on the developer team that "You should count yourselves lucky, I know people who are way harder workers" is not only an entitled view to have, but an utterly delusional one as well. Why did the team have such a high turnover, why does everyone hate Panzer? Why does the rest of the modding community hold him and TNO in such contempt? The team is supposedly full of leftwing types who probably disapprove of workers being treated like this, but then why the fuck try to replicate it?

The reason is simple. This reprehensible moron lead his project through more or less saying "Fuck you" to everyone on his team for several years and by it created a community in which the prevailing attitude towards everyone and everything is a dismissive "Fuck you".

You want to play as this country? Fuck you, no you can't. You don't want to churn out shitty localization for this country? Fuck you. We aren't doing justice to some historical person? Fuck you. You made a meme or media for this? Fuck you. Etc

No wonder this project is a failure.
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What TNO needs is to stop reworking or making content for countries nobody wants to play. 5 years for Moscovy, a country that only forms if Rk mcw collapses? How about working on stuff for the Balkans, instead of letting them sit around for 10 years. Why rework Speer, when he has one of the most high effort paths in TNO? 6+ paths for Ostland, when most of them will inevitably be raped by post GCW Germany? How about giving content to the Arabs during the late 60s and early 70s? TNO is obsessed with the thought that they are THE mod, and this pushes them to situations where they're stressing out free writers over a map painting simulator. Instead of 12 paths for a Russian warlord that gets squashed 95% of the time, how about making stuff for the Indian subcontinent? TNO priorities are lost, however their army of yesmen will continue to lap this shit up.
 
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sneeduz juluz said:
What TNO needs is to stop reworking or making content for countries nobody wants to play. 5 years for Moscovy, a country that only forms if Rk mcw collapses? How about working on stuff for the Balkans, instead of letting them sit around for 10 years. Why rework Speer, when he has one of the most high effort paths in TNO? 6+ paths for Ostland, when most of them will inevitably be raped by post GCW Germany? How about giving content to the Arabs during the late 60s and early 70s? TNO is obsessed with the thought that they are THE mod, and this pushes them to situations where they're stressing out free writers over a map painting simulator. Instead of 12 paths for a Russian warlord that gets squashed 95% of the time, how about making stuff for the Indian subcontinent? TNO priorities are lost, however their army of yesmen will continue to lap this shit up.
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That's why Panzer's talk about every country getting a focus tree was always retarded, given TNO's gameplay I highly doubt anyone will want to play as some say random African nation for 8 hours mindlessly taking focuses and researching tech they will never get to use.
 
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