Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[likeacrackado]

Youtube's algorithm really likes this troon. I watch one channel which has a couple videos discussing internet communism and now my recommended gets flooded with his videos.

Does anybody else think he looked like a FtM tranny before transitioning? He had that thin, short facial hair look a lot of them get.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I miss when riding around on a motorbike writing dry and mildly depressing books on the human condition, fighting fruitless and extremely autistic crusades against your country's official church, or having threesomes with your girlfriend and a graduate student and getting kicked out of every left-wing organization you join for (essentially) bitching about the catering to your Red Army comrades was enough to make you a "weirdo philosopher".

 

[Jarolleon]

I don’t think so to be honest. He’s trying to scrub any evidence of being born male from the internet, including information about his acting career. He’s even said his agent is working to get him female roles. To me that shows Olly is maybe smart enough to know that breadtube won’t last forever, but not smart enough to know that the trans gimmick will not carry over to real life (theater?) acting.

Maybe he'll get into one of those old-school acting troupes that still use all male actors.. even for the women (because actresses are whores, obviously).

 

[admiral]

There's a trope in classic literature (mostly Russian) of young men from privileged backgrounds going to university and then having a crisis, in which they believe themselves to be better and more intelligent than everyone else while also despising their existence and the society that made them. The end point of these stories is usually either an epiphany on the nature of the universe and God or, more often, a slide into self destruction culminating in death or misery. The Russians would just mooch about being unemployed and living off family money while getting big into nihilism before shooting themselves/doing some terrorism, wheras Olly has trooned out and found employment peddaling elaborate sophistry.

 

[Anaspook]

Im so fuckin sick of british trannys acting like there intentally discriminated by the NHS and acting like everthing else happens with a click of the fingers.
Women are not instantlly getting breast surgery for back pain, every chick going through menapause and all the bald men arent getting hair restorantion or what ever. getting anything from a GP or on the NHS is an absolute chore and a battle for everyone. its a underfunded and understaffed and overworked system.
Unless u cannot physically live your life without medical intervention you will be on the bottom of every waiting list. anything counted as a mental illness will be dumped at the bottom till you end up in hospital because you tried to kill youself and once your stable youll be dumbed back on the botton like everone else who aint physically disabled.

 

[Jarolleon]

There's a trope in classic literature (mostly Russian) of young men from privileged backgrounds going to university and then having a crisis, in which they believe themselves to be better and more intelligent than everyone else while also despising their existence and the society that made them. The end point of these stories is usually either an epiphany on the nature of the universe and God or, more often, a slide into self destruction culminating in death or misery. The Russians would just mooch about being unemployed and living off family money while getting big into nihilism before shooting themselves/doing some terrorism, wheras Olly has trooned out and found employment peddaling elaborate sophistry.

Were they all written by Dostoevsky?

 

[Reluctant MC]

I'm switching Contra's pronouns to "she" because she got the female experience of being assaulted by an obsessed agp fetishist.

 

[admiral]

Were they all written by Dostoevsky?

Not all, but most.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

From what I can tell, Philosophy Tube sounds like an oxymoron to begin with. Olly is not Freidrich Nietzsche or Arthur Schopenhauer, nor is he even as much of a socialist as Noam Chomsky.

I’ve never heard of a big name philosopher changing the world for the better, since most of them either suffer through drug/alcohol addiction, or just commit suicide. If anything, I’m not sure what makes “Philosophy Tube” so special when most philosophy regarding Breadtube requires you to be self-loathing without having much self-awareness on doing the least amount of work possible.

 

[Calculus]

Im so fuckin sick of british trannys acting like there intentally discriminated by the NHS and acting like everthing else happens with a click of the fingers.
Women are not instantlly getting breast surgery for back pain, every chick going through menapause and all the bald men arent getting hair restorantion or what ever. getting anything from a GP or on the NHS is an absolute chore and a battle for everyone. its a underfunded and understaffed and overworked system.
Unless u cannot physically live your life without medical intervention you will be on the bottom of every waiting list. anything counted as a mental illness will be dumped at the bottom till you end up in hospital because you tried to kill youself and once your stable youll be dumbed back on the botton like everone else who aint physically disabled.

Someone mentioned Olly and class up thread but Olly's attitude towards the NHS is another class signifier. Working class people often do not go to the doctor unless they are seriously ill and are always paranoid about wasting a doctor's time. Olly throwing a tantrum about the NHS not giving trans people what they want immediately just shows his privilege and he's so privileged that he doesn't even understand this.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

From what I can tell, Philosophy Tube sounds like an oxymoron to begin with. Olly is not Freidrich Nietzsche or Arthur Schopenhauer, nor is he even as much of a socialist as Noam Chomsky.

I’ve never heard of a big name philosopher changing the world for the better, since most of them either suffer through drug/alcohol addiction, or just commit suicide. If anything, I’m not sure what makes “Philosophy Tube” so special when most philosophy regarding Breadtube requires you to be self-loathing without having much self-awareness on doing the least amount of work possible.

Aristotle, Plato, Augustine of Hippo, Averroes, Siddhartha Guatama, Descartes, Liebniz, Godel, Rousseau- I could go on, but I believe the point is made.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Aristotle, Plato, Augustine of Hippo, Averroes, Siddhartha Guatama, Descartes, Liebniz, Godel, Rousseau- I could go on, but I believe the point is made.

I meant to say “New-Age philosophers for Millennial/Generation Z” changing the world for the better. Most people under the age of 25 won’t take the time out study the philosophers you mentioned.

 

[Makov Pitt]

What's Philosophy Tubes political ideology anyways?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I meant to say “New-Age philosophers for Millennial/Generation Z” changing the world for the better. Most people under the age of 25 won’t take the time out study the philosophers you mentioned.

1. Most philosophers of any era are irrelevant and only come into prominence in retrospect- Nietzsche was a German known mostly for his work in a niche field of linguistics before it became clear his works predicted the spiritual crises that came about 30 years after he died and 41 years after he went insane. Francis Bacon was the son of a notable peer and clearly intellectual, but it wouldn't be until a century and a half after his writings that it would be realized that he had, at a stroke, essentially invented both the modern scientific method and the precursor to liberal thought.
2. Sadly that is half-true, given the failings of most college students in history courses. A great many people study at least one of them, given that his philosophy is somewhat influential in many places.

 

[Makov Pitt]

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Dedicated to @Nykysnottrans' unrepentant schizophrenia.
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Abstract.
This thread is about a narcissistic ne'er-do-well grifter and speculated rapist so transfixed on an E-Celeb that they copy their every detail -- going as far as to medically transition into an MtF. Abigail Thorne's (born Oliver Thorn) obsessive fixation with (and mimicry of) Contrapoints, militant LGBTQ+ LARPing, and Breadtube drama are what bear out this grizzly work's existence. These shall be explored throughout Thorny's thread, which is organised into three chronological parts: 1.) Pre-MtF. 2.) Post-MtF. 3.) Conclusions. It must be stressed that this work will not concern itself with politics in general or LGBTQ+ in particular, but rather explores a persona who is significantly invested in these affairs with ubiquity, noxiousness and bad faith. Moreover, this is a light-hearted entry that doesn't take itself too seriously and rejects all pretence of speaking with authority. Reader discretion is advised.

1. Pre-MtF.
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Early life.
Born on April 23, 1993 in Newscastle Upon Tyne (England, UK.) Oliver rested on the lap of privilege from the start, attending the luxurious Royal Grammar School (Newcastle), from which he then enrolled into the University of St. Andrews, completing a Masters of Arts (Scotland) and then a Masters of Arts in the University of Essex (East 15 Acting School.) His entry into Youtube is marked around this time period, joining that platform in 2013 (allegedly to help UK's philosophy students in the wake of 2012's increase in the tuition fees.) Olly's political outlooks were also shaped during his student days, engaging with famous organisations such as Mermaids and their ostensibly progressive ideals (see this group's thread here.) From 2013 to 2016 Oliver's presence on Youtube was largely insignificant -- his channel's fame coinciding with the rise of the Alt-Right's infamy, which he opposed. In a sense, his background as a Breadtuber & an E-Celeb is remarkably typical: A white male from a well-off family rides in to save the oppressed minorities against a fascistic enterprise (fictive or otherwise,) gaining fame and wealth while also claiming victimhood by identifying their self as part of a minority (in this case transsexuality.) Thorny's subscriber count passed the 100,000 threshold in 2017 -- obtaining Youtube's Silver Creator Award View attachment 2028964. This is where his descent into Internet Famous begins.

Becoming Famous.
The first thing you may ask about a popular Youtube content creator is 'what's so special about their content?' In the case of Thorn c.2017, it was a combination of producing theatrical videos, staunchly advocating for and against certain political views, and having that "special something." But what is Thorny's "special something"?

Contrapoints Cometh.
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Thorny adores theatrics, lots and lots of theatrics that are uncannily similar to Contrapoints' own style. Their self-admitted collaboration with Contra undoubtedly influenced Thorny's own work, to the point where it blurs the line between "imitation as flattery" and being a copycat. Thorny doesn't appreciate being called the latter.
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While the videos can cover different subjects, their presentations are very similar, as are the criticisms levied against them (e.g. engaging in bad faith. See Philosophy Tube, Contrapoints.) Regardless, collaborative works and their influence on your art are not really cow-worthy. What is cow-worthy are the unravellings of Thorny's and Contra's 'partnership,' which takes us straight to Thorny's post-MtF phase. This is where the lunacy begins.
Ready your .

2. Post-MtF.
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On January 30, 2020 Thorn posted a video on Youtube announcing their transition titled Coming Out As Trans – A Little Public Statement. This coincided with them publishing a manifesto that changed my impression of Thorn forevermore.

The Manifesto.
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Here is a quick dissection of Thorne's talking points.

• Self-patting as UK's most-famous trans person (calculatedly on the same day they publicly announce their transition.)
• Trans are older than Britain.
• The UK (which is among the most progressive LGBTQ+ countries) is making the lives of transsexuals a living hell.
• This "hell" manifests itself through the government's disallowance of trans persons from taking the necessary hormones by subjecting them to therapies so poorly resourced, they harm the trans persons' wellbeing (to the point of mass suicide mongering.)
• Trans persons ought to be identified as their chosen gender at every instance, from passport issuances to the birth certificates of their children.
• To that end, new legislations ought to be issued to enforce equal rights. This includes a more tolerable medical system a la informed consent. (The Self-ID spiel is more than likely mentioned over recent developments where trans' activists have failed to see it pass legislation in the UK.)
• Children should have access to puberty blockers; abortion being (somehow) more serious than transitioning and all that.
• Women who aren't part of the LGBTQ+ and an ethnic minority are privileged and therefore must be disparaged thrice times over.
• Misinformation against trans people is rife. Trans-lobbies and their campus cadres do not exist, but the existence of wide-spread anti-trans groups (in the UK?) is self-evidently true (even if conversion therapies receive a near-universal condemnation in the UK.)
• Everything said in the manifesto is absolute truth.

And here is a scathing rebuke by an unabashed TERF acquaintance.

Thorny's remarks over children's access to hormone therapy, among other things, is jarring and gives the impression that this person, who claims others aren't living in reality, are themselves not living in reality. I trust the readers' intelligence to come to their own conclusions, but it is important to note that the typical accusations levied against Thorne aren't without merit or borne out of simple malice, as this person of interest has demonstrated to enjoy controlling their self-image as well as influencing people's political outlook under the guise of theatrics. His misogyny is also no mere straw-man, considering his past work (e.g. Cosmonaut 2.0 wherein he talks about how all his misery (including yet another boisterous suicide mongering attempt) came exclusively from an unnamed woman he was in a relationship with, while exempting himself from any liability for that supposed fallout.) Their rhetoric is also insatiable as they insinuate that any step to equality will serve to propel a more subtle discrimination against trans individuals. All in all, a very hot take.

The very earnestness of Thorny's transitioning can be questioned, considering that he himself hadn't ever experienced gender dysphoria.

If you're especially cynical this entire affair can be seen as an elaborate LARP. A grifter's gambit, made to attain more profit and recognition.
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Anyway, while Thorny came out, one person was noticeably absent from applauding their stunning and brave deed.

Contrapoints Controversy.
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Contrapoints had noticeably not congratulated Thorne at the moment of their transition, which had fuelled countless speculations over their relationship almost instantaneously. From mere obsession to speculation about him being Contra's rapist, these came in droves.
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We'll now move on to analyse the merit of these speculations.

Are the claims unfounded, or are they on to something?
Philosophy Tube and Contrapoints having a falling-out is true. Contra seems unusually uncomfortable with talking about it. This would suggest that whatever transpired between them is more serious than a mere breakup.

Their past relationship is strongly hinted at to have been more than merely collaborative, which is demonstrated throughout their exchanges on each others' videos, as well as the more investigative posts on this very site (see the Breadtube thread and Contrapoints' thread mentioned above.)
The rift between these two has a lot of extraordinarily "well-timed" coincidences which, while inconclusive, raise a lot of questions as to what had caused the cessation of their relationship in the first place.
It's all a coincidence, cherry-picked (unreliable) information from 4chan, or a madman's spiel, as these two Breadtubers enjoy high privacy and haven't disclosed much of what goes on behind the scenes. Even the nature of their relationship was tight-lipped and largely left to gossip and speculation.
Ultimately, it is all rather speculative, yet the amount of coincididences and the timeline between the rift, Contra's discussion of being sexually assaulted, Thorny's own coming-out video and their evident obsession with Natalie at the time makes for a very juicy discussion. Which is what this thread is all about.

3. Conclusions.
Pundit, sophist, sociopath and a hack in more ways than one, Philosophy Tube epitomises the craft of grifting driven to its logical conclusion. Their entire shtick is preaching to the woken-token choir while curating an elaborately crafted internet persona that stays on at all times, from vids to streams. Like any true control freak, the thorn recurrently deletes or alters all tidbits of information that do not align with their ever-shifting narrative. Insincerity is Thorn's currency and trans rights are their bank. Regardless of as to whether the speculations about Thorny's deed against Contra are true, it is undeniable that Philosophy Tube stole the soul of their craft (I'm sure this is excused as artistic inspiration) to cement their own standing in Breadtube and the British media. Their obsession with Contra is just highly entertaining in general. The combination of Contra controversies, their mad tangents and very recent rise to prominence make this thread all the more warranted. As for its limitations, this is a somewhat rushed thread, with lots of content being taken out for convenience and time constraints. It's an overview, not an essay.

Extras.
Thorny is rather notorious for their twitter hot-takes and having a simping, obsessive fandom. See them for yourselves.

Twitterinos.
Rather than subjecting you to countless examples of Thorny's twitter aneurysms, I'll keep it as short as this guy.

This isn't limited to economics, but it is definitely true when they talk about economics.
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Creepy fandom.
Best for last, here is an image dump that speaks for itself.
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Edit: Minor grammatical corrections + Better cropping of a previously illegible image. Thank you @scathefire for bringing that to my attention. Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Wait is Philosophy Troon using trangenderism to get famous on youtube or am I stupid?

 

[Deutscher Landser]

Just another case of internet leftism leading to someone wanting to cut their dick off. Sad!
Nah, he's probably just grifting.

Also he looked better before he started poorly larping as a woman.

 

[Makov Pitt]

Just another case of internet leftism leading to someone wanting to cut their dick off. Sad!
Nah, he's probably just grifting.

Also he looked better before he started poorly larping as a woman.

when you fall for the "no gf, become the gf meme". And he maybe going for the lesbian cliche of the mtf

 

[Deutscher Landser]

when you fall for the "no gf, become the gf meme". And he maybe going for the lesbian cliche of the mtf

I'd seriously like to know if "becoming the gf" ever helped someone.

Thorns colleague Contrapoints doesn't seem all that happy. Just richer.

 

[Makov Pitt]

I'd seriously like to know if "becoming the gf" ever helped someone.

Thorns colleague Contrapoints doesn't seem all that happy. Just richer.

It never helped anyone, Narcissa wright is the prime example. And like with the lgbt community and my opinion is more towards like anti then neutral.

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

Im so fuckin sick of british trannys acting like there intentally discriminated by the NHS and acting like everthing else happens with a click of the fingers.
Women are not instantlly getting breast surgery for back pain, every chick going through menapause and all the bald men arent getting hair restorantion or what ever. getting anything from a GP or on the NHS is an absolute chore and a battle for everyone. its a underfunded and understaffed and overworked system.
Unless u cannot physically live your life without medical intervention you will be on the bottom of every waiting list. anything counted as a mental illness will be dumped at the bottom till you end up in hospital because you tried to kill youself and once your stable youll be dumbed back on the botton like everone else who aint physically disabled.

Its sickening, not only does he get the same health care as everyone else, for free, he also gets put on the top of the waiting list because the NHS has been bought out by the trannie brigade.
Women have to fight tooth and nail to be taken seriously by doctors, back problems, menstrual problems even just general health.

Someone mentioned Olly and class up thread but Olly's attitude towards the NHS is another class signifier. Working class people often do not go to the doctor unless they are seriously ill and are always paranoid about wasting a doctor's time. Olly throwing a tantrum about the NHS not giving trans people what they want immediately just shows his privilege and he's so privileged that he doesn't even understand this.

This is so true, my dad working class was suffering really bad for a year with nose bleeds and other problems, didnt want to upset ended up he had non alcohol related liver disease, ended up having a transplant, but poor old ollie here isnt being treat like a troon queen. hes just full of entitlement and narcissism
Also the NHS is probably a bit busy with that pesky virus going around, he might of heard about it, maybe not because it doesnt involve him

Wait is Philosophy Troon using trangenderism to get famous on youtube or am I stupid?

no doubt, hes always been eclipsed by contrapoints, so he went full body snatcher. Its not like his acting career outside youtube is going anywhere, he did volunteer at an outside theatre group in Cambridge in 2019 i saw it, ive seen better acting in childrens nativity plays