Dave Ramsey's Company Fired 12 Employees for Premarital Sex - Based Boomer; Hoes Mad

https://www.newsweek.com/dave-ramseys-company-fired-12-employees-premarital-sex-1579557

Financial adviser and public personality Dave Ramsey reportedly disciplined at least a dozen former employees for engaging in premarital or extramarital sex, leading to their respective departures from his consulting company, Ramsey Solutions.

The Tennessee-based corporation is at the center of a federal lawsuit, originally brought by Caitlin O'Connor, a former administrative assistant who worked at Ramsey Solutions for years before her termination last June. O'Connor alleged that the company fired her because she was pregnant, as the decision came shortly after she requested paperwork for maternity leave.

However, according to new court filings obtained by The Tennessean and referenced in a report published Monday, attorneys representing Ramsey Solutions reportedly linked O'Connor's dismissal to the fact that she engaged in premarital sex. The former assistant was not married to her partner, and the child's father, when she announced her pregnancy.

"Ms. O'Connor finally had a meeting with the Head of Human Resources and the board members and was informed that she was being terminated due to her pregnancy and for a violation of 'Company Conduct,' because she is not married to her partner, the baby's father," reads a statement included in O'Connor's legal complaint, initially filed last July. "Ramsey contends that her committed relationship and her pregnancy are a violation of its 'righteous living' policy," the complaint continues.

Court documents indicated that at least 12 additional Ramsey Solutions employees were either fired or forced to resign after the company initiated disciplinary protocols against them for sexual activity while single, and at least two other former employees were terminated for having sex outside of their respective marriages, The Tennessean reported.

The company's attorneys reportedly said that all employees determined to have engaged in premarital sex were terminated by Ramsey Solutions, according to the newspaper. Attorneys reportedly neglected to provide details about the company's process in determining which of its employees engaged in premarital or extramarital sex in recent court filings.

A webpage that appears in the "Ask Dave" section of Ramsey Solutions' site—meant to provide "personalized" consulting advice using a number of real-life scenarios related to employment and finance—seems to confirm the company's position on these matters. The page, titled "Employees Have to Follow the Moral Code," begins with a question asking whether an employer is legally permitted to terminate an employee "for having an extramarital affair outside the office."

"Dave says yes," the company's response reads, before segueing into printed remarks attributed to Ramsey.

"Sure. Absolutely," the Ramsey Solutions' owner says in the response section. "We have a moral code of conduct at our office. I fire people if they have extramarital affairs." Ramsey's response went on to suggest that, because Tennessee is an "at-will" state, employers are legally allowed to fire employees for any reason, or without cause.

"They freaking work for me," his response continues. "This is an employment-at-will state, which means if I decide I don't like people with green eyes, I don't have to hire you. I don't have to keep you anymore."

Newsweek reached out to Ramsey Solutions for further comment but did not receive a reply in time for publication.

 

[Salubrious]

"They freaking work for me," his response continues. "This is an employment-at-will state, which means if I decide I don't like people with green eyes, I don't have to hire you. I don't have to keep you anymore."

While he's "technically" right, this goes against discrimination laws.

It's why usually companies don't give a reason for termination; then it's up to the employee to prove that is the reason they were fired.

It makes it much harder though when you fire someone asking for maternity leave. I actually think that one is illegal. If he was "smart" he would have waited a year or so and then fired her for a completely made up reason (or just not given one.)

TL;DR - Even "at-will employment" is subject to discrimination laws; which is why companies usually don't give reasons at all.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Attorneys reportedly neglected to provide details about the company's process in determining which of its employees engaged in premarital or extramarital sex in recent court filings.

Not too sure on the extramarital but if you turn up pregnant and you're unmarried they've got a pretty strong case for premarital sex.

 

[Bongocat]

Not too sure on the extramarital but if you turn up pregnant and you're unmarried they've got a pretty strong case for premarital sex.

argue immaculate insemination

 

[BrokenLightbulbs]

While he's "technically" right, this goes against discrimination laws.

It's why usually companies don't give a reason for termination; then it's up to the employee to prove that is the reason they were fired.

While that is true, I'm fairly sure marital status isn't protected. Unlike race, sex, disability, etc, marital status is on the individual and is frankly a good barometer for personality responsibility and accountability.

 

[Salubrious]

While that is true, I'm fairly sure marital status isn't protected. Unlike race, sex, disability, etc, marital status is on the individual and is frankly a good barometer for personality responsibility and accountability.

I was more talking about the green eyes thing.

Also, while premarital sex is not protected, in about half of the states employees are not allowed to ask about marital status during the hiring process or discriminate for promotions.

Marital and Parental Status Discrimination: State Law - Workplace Fairness

Information about Marital and Parental Status Discrimination: State Law provided by job and employee rights advocacy organization Workplace Fairness.

www.workplacefairness.org

 

[Kheapathic]

He has one hell of a discrimination lawsuit (or twelve) ahead of him, so I'm just curious how well is this moral code reinforced in the hiring and employment period. Because yeah sure, at will employment means you can fire anyone for any reason; but the caveat to that is make something up or give the tried and true "your services are no longer needed." The moment you open your mouth about things; you start opening yourself up for lawsuits, and as much as I think discrimination laws need to fuck off and die, they do exist, and you should tread carefully.

The company's attorneys reportedly said that all employees determined to have engaged in premarital sex were terminated by Ramsey Solutions, according to the newspaper. Attorneys reportedly neglected to provide details about the company's process in determining which of its employees engaged in premarital or extramarital sex in recent court filings.

The lady who showed up with a bun in the oven and no ring on her finger is an easy sell. So that being said; having to share an office space with one other male and a handful of females; one of which is an out loud and proud lesbian, idiots talk about this shit openly. At least once a week these two mystery meat dikes sit down and start talking about their tastes and what they're into and shit, and it's not a whisper, everyone can hear it. So while I would be laughing my ass off if old Dave Ramsey hired a PI to tail his employees and God forbid, bug their homes; office gossip or whatever you want to call it gets around. Even if you don't get the information first-hand, idiots talk and you know who's fucking who, what they're into, etc etc, because degenerates can't be comfortable with their job/car/family/whatever.

 

[Fomo Hoire]

I think I read somewhere that he defines what a family is in his terms of service, and back then was like "lol OK. This is a TOS not a soapbox, nobody is going to read it or enforce it, what's the point?"

I'm impressed that not only is someone willing to enforce it, they're willing to enforce it internally as well. None of this "Rules for thee but not for me" bullshit, even the company has to follow the terms of service.

I might not like how he's dictating what his employees can and can't do outside of work hours, but I do like how this doesn't look like one of them bullshit social media situations where everyone who got banned broke the rules but not everyone who broke the rules got banned and selected enforcement is abused to high hell.

 

[Noir drag freak]

This is stupid. I went to Christiani schooling for a majority of my adolescence /childhood. One thing that always amazed me were people want to work these places, but don't follow the rules. Some places aren't for everybody. Same thing with the gay cake situation. What the hell I look like expecting a devout Christian baker to bake a wedding cake? A fool.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

This is stupid. I went to Christiani schooling for a majority of my adolescence /childhood. One thing that always amazed me were people want to work these places, but don't follow the rules. Some places aren't for everybody. Same thing with the gay cake situation. What the hell I look like expecting a devout Christian baker to bake a wedding cake? A fool.

I don’t know enough about individual state’s employment laws to have a sense of any leg he might have to stand on here, but...this is further manifestation of the eradication of Live and Let Live, Your Kink Is Not My Kink and That’s Ok, etc.

When you see an optional situation (since nobody is forced to work for Dave Ramsey and there are hundreds of millions of other employment options out there) that was clearly not designed for you and is valued by the people for whom it was designed, and you think to yourself hey, I’m going to opt in here anyway and force it to accept me, that is anti-LaLL, which is destroying American society.

I don’t WANT to work somewhere I don’t fit in. I don’t WANT people who aren’t attracted to me to be forced to have sex with me under threat of job loss and social cancellation. I don’t WANT to be placed in educational settings that are inappropriate where I either have to fail, be coddled and allowed through whilst never actually being as good as the other students, or else the entire program has to be dumbed down to my level. I also don’t want to force my way into groups where men are trying to hang out with other men without women around, where non-white people are trying to hang out with other non-white people without white people around, etc. I don’t want schools to trap other people’s kids and force them to listen to my list of grievances and deliberately destabilize them and undermine their parents while I conceal this activity from their parents as long as possible and then when they find out about it, do everything I can to ensure they cannot opt their kids out. And I would never want to emigrate to a very different country and then insist that that country change to be more like the one I left so that I do not have to change at all.

I want everyone else to live and to be allowed to live myself.

But they don’t want this and are determined that no one else can live.

I want the 90s back. It’s up to them whether that’s the 1990s, or some earlier century.

 

[DumbDude42]

based but he's gonna get his ass ripped open in court for it

 

[DrunkJoe]

based but he's gonna get his ass ripped open in court for it

Nah if its in the code of conduct in the contract hes fine. As long as the rule was applied evenly they will loose.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

This is stupid. I went to Christiani schooling for a majority of my adolescence /childhood. One thing that always amazed me were people want to work these places, but don't follow the rules. Some places aren't for everybody. Same thing with the gay cake situation. What the hell I look like expecting a devout Christian baker to bake a wedding cake? A fool.

While I don't disagree, I do just want to ask. Would you be so morally indignant if Dave was Davina Ramsey the Lesbian Troon and decided that heterosexual sex was banned, would you criticize her from the outside?

I'm interested to know what the job situation is in some of these places, or how hard it is to get a job. For instance, I remember reading a case about a gay teacher who was fired from a faith school in Scotland as soon as it became known he'd had a bf several years prior. I know I just thought "Find another job"....Until I found out that there are no non-faith schools in Scotland, without moving to another country he literally couldn't just "find another job".

End the Ban on non-religious schools - Humanist Society Scotland

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I'd be interested to find out if Fundies perhaps control a disproportionate number of workplaces round there, I'm going to assume she isn't just looking for drama in the middle of a pregnancy.

 

[Techpriest]

Tennessee state law doesn’t prohibit what he’s doing - marital status discrimination. That said, only doing this after she requested maternity leave indicates to me at least that they knew she was pregnant for a while and didn’t act until she requested time off. This is why at will employment is pretty bullshit. If you don’t give a reason for firing, just saying they violated code of conduct, the employee has very little to go on. Not only that but at will employment is ripe for abuse. I know someone who reported on sexual harassment they witnessed in the workplace several times from a supervisor (not a victim) get fired for no given reason. The major issue with at will employment is it gives cover for retaliatory firings.

 

[thyme's up]

While I don't disagree, I do just want to ask. Would you be so morally indignant if Dave was Davina Ramsey the Lesbian Troon and decided that heterosexual sex was banned, would you criticize her from the outside?

I'm interested to know what the job situation is in some of these places, or how hard it is to get a job. For instance, I remember reading a case about a gay teacher who was fired from a faith school in Scotland as soon as it became known he'd had a bf several years prior. I know I just thought "Find another job"....Until I found out that there are no non-faith schools in Scotland, without moving to another country he literally couldn't just "find another job".

End the Ban on non-religious schools - Humanist Society Scotland

Humanist Society Scotland has today launched a new campaign to ‘End the ban’ on non-religious state schools in Scotland. Timed to coincide with the return to school for thousands of pupils across the country, the campaigning charity has published new...

www.humanism.scot

I'd be interested to find out if Fundies perhaps control a disproportionate number of workplaces round there, I'm going to assume she isn't just looking for drama in the middle of a pregnancy.

It's Tennessee--there are plenty of places to work, and several major cities: Nashville, Memphis, Knoxville, etc. Financial services galore.

I can see this going to the Supreme Court. Ramsey is legally right here, and she signed on to a Christian company that espouses Biblical values. It's not like she and the other folks didn't know this, or know him. You don't have to agree with the rules but you do have to abide by them if you sign on to work for him. Simple as that.

He'll win and they'll appeal and then the SC will rule using emotion instead of law (Thomas and Alito will dissent) and then all Christian businesses will have to throw their codes of conduct out the window. That's the end game here.

 

[neverendingmidi]

While I don't disagree, I do just want to ask. Would you be so morally indignant if Dave was Davina Ramsey the Lesbian Troon and decided that heterosexual sex was banned, would you criticize her from the outside?

If those were the rules, and I disagreed with them, then I wouldn’t apply.

And if it was a lesbian troon, not applying would probably save me from sexual harassment and not being paid due to incompetence at managing the company’s money.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Just like Jesus would want

 

[Fomo Hoire]

That said, only doing this after she requested maternity leave indicates to me at least that they knew she was pregnant for a while and didn’t act until she requested time off.

If this was a one off I'd agree with you, but the fact that this happened at least 15 times (Caitlin O'Connor + 12x premarital + 2x extramarital) and the article isn't trying to get me shocked and enraged that X number of women were fired immediately after asking for maternity leave is weird to me, it suggests they don't think they can get enough outrage from posting the count. I wonder if O'Connor could be one of those ultra lardasses who look are so big a baby doesn't add anything more. I'll have to see if she's dumb enough to put pictures of herself on social media.

Beyond finding it weird they're not making the maternity leave count a major talking point, I find them not repeating the woman count as nauseum weird. Even when incidents are only majority women, that's still worth mentioning. Remember the "massage parlor" shootings, 8 victims, 7 women, 6 Asians. If you're not a racist sexist and are willing to do the math, you'll realize that they're saying 1 man and 2 non-Asians were shot too. Why can't they include those numbers here?

Does that mean a lot of men got the chopping block too? Too many men to make numbers based outrage work? How would the company even find out if a man cheated, did his wife and his side piece get in a mud fight at the company barbecue?

I wish the article included a detailed list of who got fired and how they got caught. I don't need doxing quality details, just like "1 hooker came in and demanded HR pay their John's tab" "2 THOTs registered for OnlyFans with their company email address" "3 interns tried to fuck their boss" "2 dudes tried to add their affairs to their health insurance" "1 man's background check revealed he's a rapist so he was fired before he started"...

 

[Dark Edea]

Wew he's going for it. Can't knock him for having giant balls.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Just like Jesus would want

Its a private company, they can do whatever they want. Isn't that how the mantra goes?