The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
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Would narcan have been effective at that point? Not really clear on the mechanisms of how it works.
Possibly, but considering the amount he ingested and how fast Fent hits + mechanism of its effect on the lungs would most likely have needed multiple shots.

Also, with the meth he ingested, it would seriously play havoc on his heart + cns.
 
George Floyd did not overdose on opioids. He had traces of opioid metabolites in his blood. The levels of metabolites would leave toxicologists to believe he had not had any opioids in his system that day as if he was high he would have fentanyl in his system not metabolites. For example a man high on marijuana has thc in his blood. A week later a man high on marijuana would have metabolites dissolved from fatty tissues. Also opioids make a person completely subdued while intoxicated it not is like taking methamphetamine where someone is freaking out super adrenaline rushed.

George Floyd died of cardio pulmonary arrest. Yes it is a heart attack. But one consistent with a lack of oxygen where the heart does not "flutter" but restricts all together. When a person over doses it is usually a type of heart attack where the heart is pumping so fast the rhythm becomes inconsistent and one vessel stops pumping as fast as the other. This was not the case for George Floyd.

In George Floyd's case it would appear a lack of oxygen killed him but there is argument that a lack of oxygen would lead to violent bruising inside the persons chest as they struggled for air. This is often the case with a victim suffocated with a cloth or a pillow or hands where they are facing up and their body can make violent movements as they struggle even though their face is compressed. This was not George Floyd's circumstance.

His chest was compressed on his back. So much so if the knee had been more on the neck then on the back it would not have been as effective since he was face down the knee pressure would have been on the spine not blocking air and blood to the brain.

In George Floyd's case the weight on the back did not even necessarily stop air from going into his lungs but the pressure stopped him from breathing in deeply and getting air evenly and the weight on his chest from 5 men holding him down surely stopped his heart from pumping even blood even with a lack of a supply of oxygen. Obviously him talking did not help him live longer using up precious little oxygen and breathing.


Its all right here. So anyone saying to me "you are an immature faggot that cannot argue with facts" there are your facts.

George Floyd was probably not murdered in the 1st degree in a pre meditated attempt even though George Floyd and the officer seemed to know each other from past run ins. But anyone taking a good look at the toxicology report can see that the symptoms of his type of heart attack were consistent with a lack of oxygen and not drug overdose which seems to effect the heart more in area then the other more damage to certain veins then others. George Floyds veins pretty much all stopped functioning in uniform fashion.

I believe this trial will go to the prosecution but for manslaughter not attempted murder. Its just facts. This is the ambiguity of the case the nature of the broader view of the facts put together.

Everything else is just to muck things up. Who hates who. Who is black and who is white. Who likes who and who doesn't. Do cops kill people as much as the media paints it out. Does it matter that he was black. Statistics of hate crimes and cop murders face value etc. Its all bullshit its all a strawman to point away from the facts. True hyperbole if I have ever seen it.

None of the statistics of hate crimes matter as anything else but opinions. This is what matters: George Floyd was killed probably accidentally but it remains 3rd degree murder it remains careless manslaughter. He was a big man that took 5 cops to handcuff him. But once handcuffed they all sat on him and depleted his oxygen intake and blood flow and he said he was in pain while a group of people stood around screaming at the cops to get off him and check his pulse and the cops did not.

In contrast the ambulance got there in record time. This should be looked into. Any evidence any of the cops themselves called the ambulance? They seemed not at all preoccupied with the idea George Floyd was in trouble at all and anything but high. I don't know. It could have been a bystander that called that in. The ambulance did its job. The cops did not beyond initially restraining George Floyd as he was obviously resisting.

All the "another fentanyl addict nigger died while a hero cop in the line of duty did his job well" comments do not change the facts. But oh well carry on. It doesn't change shit. There is a mob but why I believe its BLM this time is a notion beyond me. They seem pretty peaceful right now. But there definitely is a hate mob supporting violence right now that is obvious.
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Floyd had both fent and norfent in his body. One does not stop the other from existing. The youtube doctor straight up admits that Floyd had fent in his body and that it was the average level of fent that causes an overdose. He plays a trick by arguing that since floyd was responsive on that level of fent, that means he wouldn't have died of an overdose but ODs don't happen instantly. The youtuber also argues that floyd is not nodding off but in testimony, floyd was shown to be nodding off. Did you watch the video at all? Most of it is trying to excuse how Floyd was on an insane level of fent. He also mentions how wooden chest syndrome takes 90 seconds to take effect but neglects to mention that those numbers come from injections, not from chewing on pills which would delay the reaction as it takes longer to diffuse into the blood.

tldr:
>yes he was on fent and had an original fent level of at least 16.6 ng/ml of fent in his body with an amount of 11 ng/ml at death
>yes the fent levels in his body at the time of death was the average amount in an OD
>yes he was acting high and nodding off
>yes he was complaining of the symptoms of wooden chest syndrome
>yes the medical examiner wrote in his notes "If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an O.D. [Over Dose],”
>but floyd didn't OD :^)
 
they dont give a fuck about compelling evidence lol, they're all in on the 'overwhelming emotional pressure' approach - flood the jury with non stop witness testimonies, each repeating how shocking and appalling and awful it was to witness this horribly racist murder. basically dont even bother trying to convince them, just try to indoctrinate them instead.

That's what pisses me off about these trials. The witnesses have no business doling out emotional hogwash. The purpose of witness testimony is to provide facts outside of those gleaned from case evidence.
The only people that get to deal with emotions and morals are the individuals on the jury. If I were the judge on this or any case, I would strike any witness broadcasting emotional blackmail.
"Sir/madam if you have nothing new to add to this case, then I respectfully request that you take a seat and say nothing more for the duration of the trial."
 
Remember, the BATF is manned entirely by people so fucking dumb they couldn't get into the FBI. They're basically the mall cops of federal law enforcement.
They may not have gotten into the FBI, but they're not as inept as you're describing.
 
Remember, the BATF is manned entirely by people so fucking dumb they couldn't get into the FBI. They're basically the mall cops of federal law enforcement.
Every time I start to get butthurt by all the kiwis that believe all cops are pigs who peaked in high school and get boners at the thought of violating people's rights, I remember the ATF exists and bite my tongue.
 
That's what pisses me off about these trials. The witnesses have no business doling out emotional hogwash. The purpose of witness testimony is to provide facts outside of those gleaned from case evidence.
The only people that get to deal with emotions and morals are the individuals on the jury. If I were the judge on this or any case, I would strike any witness broadcasting emotional blackmail.
"Sir/madam if you have nothing new to add to this case, then I respectfully request that you take a seat and say nothing more for the duration of the trial."

the upside of jury trials is that they limit the potential damage that can be done by a corrupt, malicious or biased judge.
the downside is that jurors are just random people from the general population, and those are overall more vulnerable to emotional manipulation than a judge.
 
Can you show me where in the notes it says that? I have not heard that before
https://www.kare11.com/article/news...ystem/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04

Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.

"If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.
In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."
But then Baker added, "I am not saying this killed him."

I see plenty of reference to the handwritten notes but can't actually find the source.
 
That's what pisses me off about these trials. The witnesses have no business doling out emotional hogwash. The purpose of witness testimony is to provide facts outside of those gleaned from case evidence.
The only people that get to deal with emotions and morals are the individuals on the jury. If I were the judge on this or any case, I would strike any witness broadcasting emotional blackmail.
"Sir/madam if you have nothing new to add to this case, then I respectfully request that you take a seat and say nothing more for the duration of the trial."
Appeal to emotion is pretty much the prosecutor's only option considering the evidence shown so far.
 
Pretty much this. If being a success is "acting white" then more people should "act white." If their "culture" is preventing them from doing that, their "culture" is shit.

Carlton Banks should have been a role model, not a joke.
Yeah that's one thing growing up/living as a minority when being yourself is different from the norm. You work hard to become the man or women you want to be, but get told by those who should be your peers supporting you that "you're acting white", "do you hate being (your race)" or "you ain't (your race)" or etc. just cause you don't want go down the same road many others have in your community and act differently. I feel many fellow kiwis of color here have had an experience like this, and know how it hurts when your fellow peers going through the same struggles and tribulations are trying to bring you down as well.

Who knew an episode and scene from a sitcom in the 90s can show this problem well.
 
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