The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

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  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%

  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%

  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%
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MoeChotto said:
I think defense is looking a little worse than the prosecution for it because they've pissed the witness off, made her cry with a fairly unrelated question in the middle of a string of other questions
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So? it doesn't take a lot for these witnesses to cry, they fucking tear up over anything and everything. The court needs to invest in Kleenex with all the crying going on in there.
 
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Leonard Helplessness said:
If, hypothetically, someone in the Twin Cities area wanted to reserve a hotel room out of town for the date of the verdict and the six days following, what would be the start date of said reservation? This thread moves quickly and I have had trouble finding information as to when deliberation might begin and how long it may take. I appreciate any insight people may provide on this.
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IIRC the judge said the trail was expected to last at least 4 weeks
SSF2T Old User said:
So? it doesn't take a lot for these witnesses to cry, they fucking tear up over anything and everything. The court needs to invest in Kleenex with all the crying going on in there.
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I think this is the first one that the defense attorney made cry (I could be wrong, I've been watching from the beginning and this is already crazytown), and it was because she's his girlfriend and the defense asked her a really pointed question in the middle of questions about the drug use. I'm not saying that a lot of witnesses haven't had their sob stories, but this one just kind of stands out to me.
 
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How it started (in the US Riots 2020 thread):
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How's it's going:
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The HLN commentators have done a fast 180 overnight.

They are talking about the fact that Floyd was foaming at the mouth, and one of them just said "was killed" and then changed it to "died."

Their pharmacologist is giving a breakdown of why speedballs are dangerous and saying that being clean for a few months and then taking up using again is "a recipe for disaster."
 
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MoeChotto said:
George Floyd, kang of Thebes


They're just establishing facts about the drug use and timeline. I think prosecution is trying to establish that he might have a higher tolerance to opioids due to the fact that he was such an addict and that therefore Chauvin is the murderer (this was in their opening argument on day 1). Defense is using it to impeach Floyd's character and establish him as a junkie. But I think defense is looking a little worse than the prosecution for it because they've pissed the witness off, made her cry with a fairly unrelated question in the middle of a string of other questions, and ate several objections in the midst of all that. I don't really see the point of both sides drawing focus to the "mama" thing since it doesn't really change anything, but I guess maybe it makes him seem less like a poor defenseless child while he was being pinned.
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Something to keep in mind, you just said the defense is a little worse off than the prosecution in all this.

Something you then miss is that this is the -prosecution's- witness. In this exchange, with this witness, somehow the prosecution is only slightly ahead with -their- witness. That's a straight win for the defense, the witness for any given side should provide a clear and significant victory for the side that called them. Yet, at best, the prosecution gets a slight win and at worst ends up with a loss... for their own witnesses.
 
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Gehenna said:
Something to keep in mind, you just said the defense is a little worse off than the prosecution in all this.

Something you then miss is that this is the -prosecution'ss- witness. In this exchange, with this witness, somehow the prosecution is only slightly ahead with -their- witness. That's a straight win for the defense, the witness for any given side should provide a clear and significant victory for the side that called them. Yet, at best, the prosecution gets a slight win and at worst ends up with a loss... for their own witnesses.
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I agree with you, I'm just used to seeing the prosecution taking either a +/-0 or an L for every witness so far.
 
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Something for everyone to keep in mind, a criminal proceeding usually has two stages. The Prosecution and The Defense. The prosecution always goes first, sets out the case, etc. The stage after is the Defense, who gets to bring out their evidence. This is done out of fairness, to ensure the accused can respond to all claims made by the prosecution and also means the defense's evidence will be freshest in mind to the Jury.


I am very interested in the latter stage. Also, this is why the Defense hasn't done a lot of cross examination. The emotional testimony doesn't really need a response since they can bring their own later and it will be fresher in the jury's mind.
 
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