The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[Daddy Problems]

It is honestly a much more solid thing to try and nail him on.

You can't let randos off the street just jump in and start performing CPR. The cops had no proof or reason to trust that the SLAY KWEEEEN EMT lady was qualified, and she had no right to interfere in what was going on.

Also, CPR is fucking hard, especially on a big guy like Floyd, and on the street in the middle of a developing incident is not a good environment for it. Starting chest compressions a few minutes earlier wouldn't have saved Floyd, and think how tRaUmATiSeD the children on-scene would have been if they had to watch Chauvin pummel his way through Floyd's ribcage.

I said it before - Chauvin could have been less of an asshole with how he dealt with Floyd, but he acted comfortably within policy, and had no legal obligation to begin CPR in the midst of this shit storm. He didn't break the law, end of story, why are we even here?

 

[Cubanodun]

Then they're scuttling the murder charge and trying to get manslaughter instead. Which means the cities will soon get crispy.

They are not going to get either or the city will have to deal with this circus every time a addict get minecraft'd, and with the circus come millions of dollars in paying literally sheboons those twats have for family for absolutely nothing

 

[Meat Target]

So, if the prosecution really scuttles the murder charge, how exactly will they argue the manslaughter charge? Are they seriously going to say that Derek Chauvin was t-posing infront of the stretcher blocking its path?

Manslaughter is different from murder in the sense that "you may not have intended to kill him, but he died and it is a direct result of your disregard for his life and safety".

 

[Had]

Minnesota has an oddball charge called "third degree murder," a term that currently only exists in three states (Minnesota itself and Pennsylvania and Florida), which requires "an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life." This general concept exists in all states but is often called something like "depraved heart murder."

thank you anime girl lawyer

 

[Slimy Time]

Alright, we are back. They have a cop in.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Completely right in the context of the scene not being safe. If things were different and it was just some rando that fell out in the middle of the market and a cop was there, they probably would take you at your word that you are an EMT and let you help work him. When they consider the scene unsafe, they are pretty much guaranteed to not let you touch them. Cops main priority on medicals is scene safety.

If you are a first responder and go up to a police officer and say "Hey i'm an EMT working out of the firehouse on X Street, this man is in distress and needs X to be done until the bus arrives" then sure, but if you whip out your phone and go "REEEEEEEEEE you bitch you're doing it wrong, fucker I'm a PROFESSIONAL!!!" then nah fuck off bitch and get back on the sidewalk.

 

[HARSH NOISE]

You can't let randos off the street just jump in and start performing CPR. The cops had no proof or reason to trust that the SLAY KWEEEEN EMT lady was qualified, and she had no right to interfere in what was going on.

Not saying I think the charge is valid or correct, I just think it'll be a much easier thing to convince the jury and the wider public of. Not that it'll stop the burning, looting, murderers from doing whatever they wanna do.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Alright, we are back. They have a cop in.

How do you know he's a cop?
He's not wearing his uniform, he might not even be an expert

 

[NyQuilninja]

Minnesota has an oddball charge called "third degree murder," a term that currently only exists in three states (Minnesota itself and Pennsylvania and Florida), which requires "an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life." This general concept exists in all states but is often called something like "depraved heart murder."

They're also shooting for this, which is why they're trying to paint Chauvin specifically as a terrible person. Demonizing the defendant is pretty common in a jury trial, but here, it would be very important, because while proving the defendant is, in general, a bad person doesn't prove depraved heart murder, someone who isn't a bad person couldn't have a state of mind that only a genuinely terrible person would have.

I honestly think it truly is that level of arrogance, much like the prosecutors in the O.J. trial. They might even be right with this jury.

Because so far the prosecutor seems to be mostly putting on a casual show like she knows the pre determined outcome which I don't know as the best strategy unless they know something we don't know. It's hard to describe but it doesn't come across as genuinely trying

 

[Slimy Time]

Did they tag the woman out for this guy? He automatically seems more "on it" than her.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Did they tag the woman out for this guy? He automatically seems more "on it" than her.

The prosecution has (i think) 3 people and the woman is one of them. However, she wasn't as horrible on the other days as she was today.

 

[7he47r0n]

God I just realized what she's trying to do

She's trying to apply state funded Emergency room standards to the police. As in, they are required to provide you adequate medical care, provided you consent to it. This doesn't apply to small clinics. If you show up to a general clinic covered in blood, they don't have to help you so long as they aren't an emergency room.

How it started: Chauvin choked out Floyd, who was not high, slowly and methodically, so he's guilty of murder

How it is: Chauvin didn't immediately start CPR the moment Floyd lost consciousness so he's guilty of murder

Any of you fine lawful friends can lend us some of your knowledge? Just how much is a cop responsible for the medical well-being of someone actively resisting arrest? At what point they turn from "enforcers of the law" to "officer of the peace" in such circumstances?

 

[AnOminous]

Incidentally there's been some questioning of whether the woman Floyd robbed in a home invasion robbery was actually pregnant, something I've myself said. The actual arrest report does not explicitly say this. It does say he held a gun to her abdomen.

So it's still a heinous crime, but unless there's something else to support this, I'm going to have to say I fell for an urban legend. The fact of holding a gun to her abdomen does seriously imply that she was, because otherwise why not hold a gun to her head?

But the one piece of paper about it I can find doesn't say that, and I can't find anything (yet) to back up that this is actually a fact. If I find more I'll post it.

I found this on this hip hop site, which despite being a hip hop site seems to be trying to be neutral about the case.

How do you know he's a cop?
He's not wearing his uniform, he might not even be an expert

Unlike these other nitwit paraprofessionals, cops often testify in court and know what is proper attire.

Honestly, I think the defense should have objected the first time one of these clowns showed up in uniform. It would have been overruled but at least the jury would get a thought in their head that this was some manipulative bullshit.

 

[rlkrng]

The prosecution has (i think) 3 people and the woman is one of them. However, she wasn't as horrible on the other days as she was today.

At least 4. The negro, this jew, the guy called Frank and the woman.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

I wonder how many of these cops, firefighters, and paramedics had bricks chucked at them all last summer.

I still remember that livestream where a building was fully involved and beginning to collapse and the firefighters rolled up and people were using pieces of the fallen building to attack their fire engine and they just kept on rolling because being pelted with bricks by civilians is not in the job description.

 

[Rekkington]

My dad taught me about this when I was a kid. He kept bugging my mother saying "I'm gonna get a Corvette" just so he could talk her down to buying a crotch rocket. He still has that bike too.

haha, dumb bitch.

 

[Cryogonal]

There are people in this thread who seem to think that.
Not doing something doesn't equal doing something negligent.

I think any cop with any amount of experience with druggies would be able to recognize when a guy is high as hell on drugs and also a morbidly obese man stressing himself into cardiac arrest. At the very least he could have called for an ambulance and had one of the other cops ride with Floyd so that it'd be off his hands and he could say something more than "Yeah, I just kinda did nothing while he freaked the fuck out to death." In fact, that's basically what happened when Floyd was arrested in 2019, in what was almost the same exact situation as the 2020 arrest.

 

[Cubanodun]

The fact of holding a gun to her abdomen does seriously imply that she was, because otherwise why not hold a gun to her head?

You are expecting logic from a certified drug addict but is not to different at what african warlords do to their slaves only that they are more practical in how they do it

 

[Fields Of Rye]

I wonder how many of these cops, firefighters, and paramedics had bricks chucked at them all last summer.

I still remember that livestream where a building was fully involved and beginning to collapse and the firefighters rolled up and people were using pieces of the fallen building to attack their fire engine and they just kept on rolling because being pelted with bricks by civilians is not in the job description.

In my town we nearly had a bit of a "left for dead" evacuation when a bunch of people taking shelter in an hotel had an adjacent building set on fire.

The specific term the fireman used over the police radio was "encountering heavy resistance, disengaging"

And when the person on the other line said "what the fuck does that even mean" he yelled that someone just climbed on the engine and threw some kind of m80 into the driver side window, and fuck that.

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

Hey, did they bring back The Seething Loaf, or is she still at home eating ice cream from the carton and telling herself that she's a champion?