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Why couldn't I be this, this is anime.
fuck it i use this picture too much not to keep it saved.png

Stop triggering my no-chainsaw-head dysphoria.
 
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Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite said:
The whole approach to gender dysphoria versus others makes no sense anyway.

I've posted about this in other threads, but if someone has body dysphoria causing anorexia in them the treatment never includes diet pills and plastic surgery paid for by insurance in order to make the body confirm with their mental image. The very point is there is a disconnect between reality and the brain and therapy is attempted to fix the disconnect, not try and make reality bend to the delusion of a broken mind.

Kevin is a prime example of someone's who's broken brain got to dictate their treatment instead of the treatment trying to fix the broken brain.
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And the thing with anorexia is no matter how much weight they lose it’s never enough. No matter how many times someone tells you you’re skinny and you need to gain weight does it help. If anything it adds to the vicious cycle of reaffirmation. The only way to get better is to treat the actual problem in the brain. These issues do get better and when you come out of the other side you realize how dumb you were being.

Apply this to any amount of pills or surgery in transgender therapy. It’s never enough and sometimes makes it worse. AND these things can be permanent.
 
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Rainbow Frog Army said:
I can kind of understand it, but you're talking about the people who have gender dysphoria, which the troons don't and who they'd consider you of a specific type of what they consider transphobes: the transmedicalists, who basically feel that if you aren't being freaked out because 'this is not supposed to be attached to me' then you're not trans.

I mean, I can understand how that would feel. I just would be very reluctant to actually go after surgery because I know the risks of any surgery, and I know Kev-Kev didn't go through anybody who made sure proper informed consent was gotten (so maaaaybe not somebody who actually has a license to practice medicine). Those nerves are not going to connect. They will never connect. That is not how nerves work. This is something that would have been covered in detail...

But that just doesn't fit with the whole AGP fantasy. In Kev's head, the amhole is just gonna majjkyally turn into a real female reproductive tract (never mind even those occasionally need dilators) that can be safely jackhammered by a unicorn stallion with a real uterus and ovaries inside so Kev can get knocked up with baby centaurs.

And all of that is just as possible as the rest of it.
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Ive learned so much about human biology in this thread, legit thanks.

Although with the new emerging science of neuroplasticity, wouldnt there be some merit to just willing your nerves back together?
 
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I can't believe I got an UwU cute anime girl instead of someone cool like Levi Ackerman.
Rainbow Frog Army said:
and I'd note that a lot of the troons and their ilk will agree with you that just being gender-variant (such as butch lesbian, or femme gay) is just somebody whose egg has yet to crack.
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without power leveling too hard, I (sadly) know a troon irl, and he's tried to convince me that I should troon out. for people who are supposed to be "abolishing gender" troons hate people who don't conform to gender roles but are still comfortable in their bodys. weirdly, the troon I know is of the jake alley variety that believes he's a "true woman" without making any attempt to look like one
BScCollateral said:
I suspect, but cannot prove, there is an undiagnosed mental illness which makes people act like they have the mental illness de jour. It used to be multiple personality disorder; now it's gender dysphoria.
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stuff like self harm, suicide, school shootings and eating disorders sometimes happens in clusters. mentally unstable people are often inspired by other mentally unstable people. I think trooning out definitely happens in clusters (once again, without power leveling too hard, the guy I know who trooned out did it a few months after two of his friends did, and now the friend group went from all guys to mostly troons)
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Omggggg I'm so proud of Kathryn remembering she's a system!!!!
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Kevin collects attention whores identitys to be used whenever he feels like he hasn't gotten enough attention in a while (see "non-binary woman")
Boris Blank's glass eye said:
Exactly. Doctors don't treat BID by crippling their patients or schizophrenics by affirming their delusions either. Troonism is the only condition where the only appropriate treatment seems to be fast-tracking the patient to the logical end point of their delusions.

See, in [CURRENT YEAR+6] words and concepts mean whatever's the most convenient for the speaker at the moment.

There's no consensus on what "transfemme" exactly means, even between troons. Take a look at Kev who dresses like an absolute slob. Then there's Hontrapoints with his make-up, filters, "bisexual lighting" and billion dresses - and a fairly decent look compared to most other troons since he does make an effort. There are also people like Sean "Saphixy Dee" Simpson, Danny Muscato, Jake Alley, and Johnny Yaniv who don't even try to pass outside of "dressing like their idea of a woman" since they're all landwhales. And all of them are supposed to be "transfemme", or at least some aspect of it.

As much as troons love to circle their wagons and present a united front to the outside, they're very fractured.
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I divide troons into "coping incels" (Kevin and friends), or "would have been a successful drag queen in the 70's" (contra and the like). basically "are you an anime troon or a rocky horror troon". either way they creep me out
 
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Death to Sacred Cows said:
All you guys got transed into kawaii anime girls were I got Jotaro
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Man, Jotaro ain't shit. All he does is walk around with obviously fake big dick energy and be an asshat to his mother. Also, he sucks at Poker. No wonder Joseph hates Japanese people. Look at how they tainted his proud English bloodline!

Of course since my avi is Random Anime Girl Avatar #3,742,391 maybe I should just shut my whore mouth...
 
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EnemyStand said:
Man, Jotaro ain't shit. All he does is walk around with obviously fake big dick energy and be an asshat to his mother. Also, he sucks at Poker. No wonder Joseph hates Japanese people. Look at how they tainted his proud English bloodline!

Of course since my avi is Random Anime Girl Avatar #3,742,391 maybe I should just shut my whore mouth...
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where the fuck is my Speedwagon avi? get on that shit null
 
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Hymlenis572 said:
Ive learned so much about human biology in this thread, legit thanks.

Although with the new emerging science of neuroplasticity, wouldnt there be some merit to just willing your nerves back together?
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Not really--what neuroplasticity does is let you alter the structure, but if it's gone it's gone.. It's why there's a chance somebody who has lost part of their brain might get the function back--but it's going to be because neuroplasticity allows a kludge, not because what's gone came back.

It's also why I'm going to give a hard pass to considering somebody whose lolcowish behavior only started after their brain got fucked up as a lolcow, unless it can be verified that the damage is self-inflicted. Some very unlucky people are very lucid and aware and it's just...they act that way because they cannot do otherwise, and we know this because they can tell people this.

stupid moron said:
And the thing with anorexia is no matter how much weight they lose it’s never enough. No matter how many times someone tells you you’re skinny and you need to gain weight does it help. If anything it adds to the vicious cycle of reaffirmation. The only way to get better is to treat the actual problem in the brain. These issues do get better and when you come out of the other side you realize how dumb you were being.

Apply this to any amount of pills or surgery in transgender therapy. It’s never enough and sometimes makes it worse. AND these things can be permanent.
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No argument at all here. This is, in fact, why pills and/or surgery were originally the last line therapy after everything else had failed instead of "Skip the shrink and just start the troonsformation!" It's why I've been very pointed in pushing people I know who are considering transitioning to see a goddamn shrink. (And hit quality resources to read up on HRT and the ilk. You want medical journals, preferably ones with color pictures showing you the results.)

You see, the pelvis is amazingly complex. We can reconstruct the tiddy/moob area reasonably well, they're not much more than lumps of fat with nerves & glands. This is really good if you got cancer up there or need de-moobing. The crotch? Expect results from a David Cronenberg movie if they attempt genitals, regardless of why the crotch is having to be rebuilt. That'll put your expectations in about the right place.

Seriously, I bet a lot of the 41% an hero rate? People who got their expectations for bottom surgery from things like Kev's Twitter antics, and then got the reality hitting them right between their legs. Sort of a nut shot from the universe.
 
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Hymlenis572 said:
Ive learned so much about human biology in this thread, legit thanks.

Although with the new emerging science of neuroplasticity, wouldnt there be some merit to just willing your nerves back together?
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Short answer no

Minor power level I had some minor hand surgery two years ago they moved, not cut, moved one of my nerves out of the way and I'm still slightly numb in one of my fingers.
your brain can learn to use your surviving nerves better but once they're gone, they're gone and after surgery you'll starting feeling less numb day after day but one day it'll just stop.

They ran Kevin's dick through a wood chipper he can't feel anything but pain and it's never getting better for him
 
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stupid moron said:
And the thing with anorexia is no matter how much weight they lose it’s never enough. No matter how many times someone tells you you’re skinny and you need to gain weight does it help. If anything it adds to the vicious cycle of reaffirmation. The only way to get better is to treat the actual problem in the brain. These issues do get better and when you come out of the other side you realize how dumb you were being.

Apply this to any amount of pills or surgery in transgender therapy. It’s never enough and sometimes makes it worse. AND these things can be permanent.
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Not to be That Person who quotes Uncle Ted, but one thing in his manifesto that I found interesting was the delineation between stuff that's easy, stuff that takes actual effort, and stuff that's impossible.

Troons are told that it is possible to change sex. This puts them in a hamster wheel where they're always anticipating the next mile marker, but the next mile marker comes and goes and they're still in the same place.
 
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