The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

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    Votes: 75 7.6%

  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%

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    Votes: 221 22.3%

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    Votes: 299 30.1%
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Some retarded reverend from the UK on Good Friday of all days is comparing George Floyd to the suffering Jesus had to endure
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Johannes Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and he did something like a year and a half.

And for the people who aren't familiar, the cop had a guy pinned on the floor and shot him in the back point blank in front of a trainload of people. He said he was reaching for his taser but pulled his gun on accident.

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Rusty Crab said:
I can understand murder 1, 2 and 3 since those 'build' on eachother, but manslaughter is by definition unintentional right? It just seems like they're saying "Well, we think it wasn't intentional but we're going to see if we can convince a jury that it was".
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Manslaughter implies that the death, even if accidental, was caused by or resulted from the negligence of an individual. It’s why most DUI deaths are charged with manslaughter - the person who hit a passenger was too drunk to be considered in control of their actions but they still hit and killed someone. The state thinks this person is responsible for why this person died either through their action or inaction when they had the responsibility to act. Essentially the point of murder is intent or through depraved action, you caused the death of someone. If you wave a gun at someone, it goes off by mistake and they die, that can be considered murder if the prosecution can prove you intended to fire anyway, malfunction or no malfunction. You were acting in a way to cause the death of someone and knew it.

Manslaughter though could be refusing to assist someone you kicked the hell out of in a bar fight. They’re on the ground and not moving but they’re still breathing. You stumble home or to the hospital. They die of a heart attack or whatever. You didn’t attempt to render assistance, rendered them unable to get help they needed to live on their own, and contributed to the death through your actions. Even if you never intended to kill them, your actions still played a major role in their death. You can reasonably be proven to not have intended to kill them, but your actions were certainly negligent at the least.


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Manslaught requires a degree of negligence or recklessness, which results in death.

The first part is a problem, since following his trained protocol, calling for an ambulance, etc are all prima facie reasonable actions that don't create, but minimize risk.

The second part is another problem too, because the death is arguably the result of Floyd's own actions, ie the overdosing. So Chauvin is clear there.
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The problem for Chauvin is that while he followed protocol... he didn’t do what could have minimized risk, didn’t attempt himself to assist in medical care, and disregarded the suggestion of another officer to mitigate that risk. Then he also misled his supervisor about his role in the whole thing. When you are involved in application of force, it’s a willful action - and so is the reduction of force. He is responsible for everyone including the person he is using force on. Even when force was not necessary, he kept using it. That’s a pretty good indication of negligence, and what the prosecution is chasing hardest - Chauvin willingly didn’t reduce his force when he had ample opportunity, while that person was in his custody and thus his responsibility. The defense sort of shot themselves in the foot a bit in the questioning of the lieutenant by trying to go with the idea that he was in a life or death struggle with Floyd. That argument completely falls flat when Chauvin seemed to show complete disregard for the crowd being there, and Floyd not attempting to strike any of the officers once he was on the ground. The prosecution is going to argue he never saw himself in any threat from the crowd or from Floyd and was more annoyed that they were filming him.
 
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The guy had little authority to make judgements on the topic and was clearly shilling for his department but was definitely the best witness for the prosecution so far. Especially good considering that his statements are the last ones before a long break meaning that they will probably stick the most with the jury.

On the other hand, it feels like the prosecution has completely given up on trying to pin the murder on Chauvin. I just can't imagine him getting a long prison sentence with his guilt revolving around shit like not getting George off his stomach a minute sooner or not performing a CPR.
 
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No Face said:
meanwhile elsewhere in the justice system....

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>Possibly no jail time
>Community service or House Arrest
System working just fine.
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The bitches will never learn and will be taught their mistakes was because of the White man due to structural racism.

The will get pregnant and raise another group of hoodlums using them to shoplift in addition to hoping in the back of their mind that spronglet will win them the ghetto lottery.
 
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Techpriest said:
Manslaughter implies that the death, even if accidental, was caused by or resulted from the negligence of an individual. It’s why most DUI deaths are charged with manslaughter - the person who hit a passenger was too drunk to be considered in control of their actions but they still hit and killed someone. The state thinks this person is responsible for why this person died either through their action or inaction when they had the responsibility to act. Essentially the point of murder is intent or through depraved action, you caused the death of someone. If you wave a gun at someone, it goes off by mistake and they die, that can be considered murder if the prosecution can prove you intended to fire anyway, malfunction or no malfunction. You were acting in a way to cause the death of someone and knew it.

Manslaughter though could be refusing to assist someone you kicked the hell out of in a bar fight. They’re on the ground and not moving but they’re still breathing. You stumble home or to the hospital. They die of a heart attack or whatever. You didn’t attempt to render assistance, rendered them unable to get help they needed to live on their own, and contributed to the death through your actions. Even if you never intended to kill them, your actions still played a major role in their death. You can reasonably be proven to not have intended to kill them, but your actions were certainly negligent at the least.



The problem for Chauvin is that while he followed protocol... he didn’t do what could have minimized risk, didn’t attempt himself to assist in medical care, and disregarded the suggestion of another officer to mitigate that risk. Then he also misled his supervisor about his role in the whole thing. When you are involved in application of force, it’s a willful action - and so is the reduction of force. He is responsible for everyone including the person he is using force on. Even when force was not necessary, he kept using it. That’s a pretty good indication of negligence, and what the prosecution is chasing hardest - Chauvin willingly didn’t reduce his force when he had ample opportunity, while that person was in his custody and thus his responsibility. The defense sort of shot themselves in the foot a bit in the questioning of the lieutenant by trying to go with the idea that he was in a life or death struggle with Floyd. That argument completely falls flat when Chauvin seemed to show complete disregard for the crowd being there, and Floyd not attempting to strike any of the officers once he was on the ground. The prosecution is going to argue he never saw himself in any threat from the crowd or from Floyd and was more annoyed that they were filming him.
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Honestly I am and always have been open to the possibility of a manslaughter charge. I don't have particularly strong opinions on it and could be swayed either way. If this were a contained, local case and he got locked up for that I'd say "maybe that's fair".

However, the massive obvious political circus this has become just makes me want to see him walk more than anything.
 
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Techpriest said:
he didn’t do what could have minimized risk
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He quite literally did. The protocol he followed is designed to minimize risk in the majority of situations to which it's applied. It is not his job, nor responsibility to "assist in providing medical care" as that's something he's not trained in doing and because of that could actually make things worse.
We've gone over this before, but the whole point is that the prosecution must prove that the knee caused Floyd to die, otherwise Chauvin's actions did not contribute to Floyd's death and manslaughter cannot be a reasonable charge. So far the prosecution has provided no evidence that the hold Chauvin used was linked to Floyd's death in any way shape or form.
 
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