The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

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  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
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Suck off the cops dick more. Im no commie but since when is it cool to defend cops its honestly pathetic.
There's a saying that, if I may paraphrase, say something like: People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
People like you are always the first to scream for a cop when your shit gets stolen.
I think some of you are brainwashed.
Yeah, we're the ones brainwashed, because we can have a point of view other than 'Chauvin murdered Floyd'.
Miss this whole site with your basic-bitch normie-tier whitey-hating nigger apologism.
 
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Im not a wise man but if 3 fellas have already restrained a guy and have him on the ground, there is no need to put your knee in someone's neck.
Frankly, yes. First and foremost, a knee placed at the base of the neck is not a killing move. Maybe if you balance on it like a ballerina but as a method of keeping someone still with controlled pressure it's not going to suffocate someone or otherwise do serious harm. Were this not the Internet and being entirely serious, I could demonstrate on you and you would be convinced (and unharmed). So first off, it's not just a question of is it necessary but if doing so is an undue risk - and it isn't. Having established that it's an acceptable method of restraining someone the question actually then becomes what do you gain? And in this case you gain that a powerfully built person isn't going to surge up and attack or flee. You also gain that someone who is behaving crazily and whose friends are literally standing right there making 'he's crazy' gestures about him, isn't going to injure himself by smacking his head against the concrete - a real risk.

Not to PL, but years myself and two friends pranked a fourth friend who thought we were going to kill him. Can't give details without PL'ing more than I'd like but the fourth friend was a fairly big guy (6'1") but so were all of us. He fought like ten tigers. It took all three of us breathing like steam engines to grapple him and drag him to where we wanted. And in fact we gave up on the prank which wasn't very good anyway. Point is, you can do wrestling and MMA like all of us did but when someone actually is crazy or actually fears for their life, you would not believe how strong they are. And Floyd had another three inches on our friend. Keeping the knee on Floyd was the right decision and only appears not because we are in the rare timeline where he died during it.

Frankly, he'd have likely died from any other form of restraint. He was over-exerting himself, had heart problems and had more drugs in him than Los Angeles.

And id call her in the morning.
I am glad to see that chivalry is not dead, as is often reported.

why the fuck couldn't BLM do that with George Floyd.
I genuinely have trouble imagining a worse public figure to become the icon of BLM. A felon junkie deadbeat dad who was high on a cocktail of drugs when he went into a convenience store to buy a banana, of all things, with a counterfeit twenty. It sounds like if 4-chan trolls were trying to come up with a racist caricature, but were having a lazy day.

Well, there's what @Brahma said which is that there's a selection bias - your options for something like this are going to be drawn from
the more criminally inclined African Americans, not the law-abiding, hard-working ones. Then it's further narrowed by needing it in the right timescale - i.e. an election year. Then it's not always guaranteed to start a fire on your first go anyway. There was another attempt at this media circus I think a couple of months before but it didn't really take off. I forget who that was.

But if you want another angle on it, you have to consider what outcome is wanted. Is it to show there is excessive brutality by the police or is it create racial division, raise capital (all that BLM money is routed through the DNC's backing ActBlue) and create political momentum? For all of the latter you need something that will drag on and also face sufficient opposition it looks like you're the underdog. Finding Joe Blackman who holds down a steady job, does everything right when confronted by police and yet still gets shot - IF you find such a perfect opportunity - then it will all be over much faster. The Progressives will say "this was an injustice something needs to be done" and most of the Right will say "yes, this WAS an injustice" and then it's over. I mean Breonna Taylor example that was raised. It wasn't clear cut but it was much more supportable case of police wrong-doing than this one. Result? Lots of people agreed with it, the policy on No Knock warrants was changed and her family received, iirc, a generous financial compensation (as much as money can compensate, I guess). Maybe there should be prosecution of the officer involved or not - I don't know - but either way, it's not going to lead to the protacted wildfire that this one does for the very simple reason that right isn't on their side.

When Rosa Parks was picked to be the face of desegregation (over Robert Freeman) African American people were facing an actual double standard and had the goal of changing that. Therefore it made sense to pick their best example. Now there is obviously prejudce in some police forces and it is obvious that some of the BLM supporters are backing BLM because they believe they're helping change it. But it's also pretty obvious that BLM leadership and many BLM supporters just want to shake-down big companies and rally votes for the Democratic elites. So the goal isn't to find a clear-cut case of injustice but to create a protracted public issue that can be capitalised on. Helped by a lot of right thinking people going "Uh, no. I don't think that's really right". Then the fight is on.

I don't think that's wholly true. I think Brahma had most of it covered with the simple fact of selection bias. But still, it's food for thought. Is Antifa-supporting DA Keith Ellison just incompetently seeking good PR when he does things like hide the police footage and throw around 2nd degree murder charges? Or is he competently trying to sow chaos? We have examples of the latter happening, after all - look at Jussie Smollet.
 
This isn't about starting a race war it's all money. This is rich niggas pretending to be social justice warriors making money off of stupid white peoples guilt. BLM makes people money. They capitalize on the death of criminals. You want a mansion? Get stupid white liberals to hand you money because Tyrone rushed a cop
It can be about both. The fact that white business owners in these areas got screwed over and that it was a small part of the massive 2020 wealth transfer doesnt change who the designated targets were. The media and legal attacks on any white self defense they caught wind of, the fact that this came at the tail end of over a decade of ramped up propaganda designed to inspire stochastic violence against whites and the fact that all aid being given out to rebuild from this will be done with "equity"(fuck whitey) in mind all make it really really clear what the people engineering this think about white people and what their plans for their future is.

People who spout lines like this about division for profit or whatever are mostly just afraid of admitting whats happening in front of their eyes because then theyd have to either adopt a RACIST postion. Its easier to just rationalize it as, "theyre just PRETENDING they want to kill whitey for the uhhh monopoly man!" because the vague aracial monopoly man is a socially acceptable target and the niggers burning down your home arent and the finanzjuden riling them up and legally/financially enabling them while tying your hands at the same time DEFINITELY arent.
 
there are reasons the Black population is the way it is now: segregation, Jim Crow, redlining, gerrymandering, discrimination.
Black person blames black culture's problems on external factors within white society's control.
In other news, gravity is a thing, water is wet, and the sky is blue. You fucking nigger.

I notice you don't take into account all the shit that whites give niggers for free to try to redress the balance.
Rent.
Phones.
Groceries.
Public transport.
Medical care.
Education.
Legal representation.
Easier access to tertiary education.
We couldn't help you more without taking your tests for you, you ungrateful cunt.
You act like bad shit from sixty fucking years ago affects you now, while benefits that whites provide today mean nothing.
You ungrateful fucking nigger. Fuck you. Almost a million white people have died to set you free, and you reward us by killing us at twenty times the rate we kill you, then complaining about 'white racism'. We do more for you than for any other group. No matter how far we bend over backwards, it's never enough.
You were enslaved by your own kind, onsold by Jews, but apparently only white people need to bear the moral responsibility for the whole nigger supply chain.
The loan that the British Commonwealth took to set every slave free in 1834 wasn't paid out until 2015. White people alive right now have paid debts left to them by their forebears to set you free.
The current generation of white people are by far the most accepting of your shortcomings as a race, and you still whine about racism and complain about the poor outcomes you experience due to your own fucking stupidity. If you could stop committing crimes and spend ten minutes in self-reflection you'd realize that all the free shit you get now is the opposite of fucking slavery. No other race in America gets given so much stuff without working for it.

Fuck you. You don't hear latinos, Indians or Asians fucking complain about racism while stabbing white women to death or executing white children riding their bikes.
You're a member of a savage, retarded, violent cohort of sub-80 IQ fuckwits who contribute literally nothing tangible to the American nation but constantly cry about how you're 'oppressed'.
You fucking worthless piece of shit. How dare you blame your fucking chimp species' lack of success on white society.
 
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Black person blames black culture's problems on external factors within white society's control.
In other news, gravity is a thing, water is wet, and the sky is blue. You fucking nigger.

I notice you don't take into account all the shit that whites give niggers for free to try to redress the balance.
Rent.
Phones.
Groceries.
Public transport.
Medical care.
Education.
Legal representation.
Easier access to tertiary education.
We couldn't help you more without taking your tests for you, you ungrateful cunt.
You act like bad shit from sixty fucking years ago affects you now, while benefits that whites provide today mean nothing.
You ungrateful fucking nigger. Fuck you. Almost a million white people have died to set you free, and you reward us by killing us at twenty times the rate we kill you, then complaining about 'white racism'.
The current generation of white people are by far the most accepting of your shortcomings as a race, and you still whine about racism and complain about the poor outcomes you experience due to your own fucking stupidity.
Fuck you. You don't hear latinos, Indians or Asians fucking complain about racism while stabbing white women to death or executing white children riding their bikes.
You're a member of a savage, retarded, violent cohort of sub-80 IQ fuckwits who contribute literally nothing tangible to the American nation but constantly cry about how you're 'oppressed'.
You fucking worthless piece of shit. How dare you blame your fucking chimp species' lack of success on white society.
Lol calm down
 
The sad reality of the entire ACAB, BLM, social justice shit about cops is if you actually read the police reports or watch the videos you will almost always see them reach for a gun, reach for a cops gun, refuse commands from an officer then lunge at them. Cops don't shoot people for fun. It's a massive amount of paperwork, legal trouble, makes your department look bad and can cost you your job and jail time possibly. Every round a cop fires has to be accounted for. You have to show it was a reasonable use of force. This is true even in shitty state prisons, let alone in social justice run hellholes like Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis etc.
Makes Boondock Saints more appealing doesn't it?
 
Hey guys, I powerlevelled awhile back about the difficulty in talking about the effects of the drugs, and I spoke to an actual surgeon for his input on this. He's a pretty leftie dude but he's pretty much 180-ed since this began on Floyd, and he explained something I was wrong on.

A common side effect of meth is pulmonary edema. (E-Deem-A). It stands for "fluid in the lungs". I described it as basically pooling inside the lungs, but it turns out it's actually inside the little blood vessels, and the increased "pulmonary pressure" from meth, whatever that means, makes it likely that the internal fluid ends up in that area. What this means if for all intents and purposes, there is no blood reaching these tiny blood vessels, and no oxygen exchange going on. Pulmonary Edema is not simply caused by meth however, it requires some action to occur.

Screaming, rapid breathing, or anything else that gets the lungs going quickly causes increased pressure to force the "lung juice" through like a sieve, trapping it inside the alveoli (little lung bits) and basically preventing breathing from occurring.

The result is a swollen, fluid filled lung that doesn't quite do its job.

And I did some quick research, and yeah. his lungs were. Not only were his lungs full of fluid, but they weighed a kilogram during his autopsy.

"1 kg" chuckles the prosecutor. Stabbing herself and pulling out a lung, and dropping it onto the scale. "My healthy lung is 1 kg, clearly his lungs were fine"

Blood drains out of bodies before the autopsy. According to studies I found, the average dead dudes lung weighs 250 g.

Meaning that drained of blood, Floyd's lung weighed the same as most people's normal, healthy lungs. Or in other words, there was as much fluid in Floyd's lungs than there is blood in your's at this very moment.

Just something I haven't seemed mentioned so far.
 
Hey guys, I powerlevelled awhile back about the difficulty in talking about the effects of the drugs, and I spoke to an actual surgeon for his input on this. He's a pretty leftie dude but he's pretty much 180-ed since this began on Floyd, and he explained something I was wrong on.

A common side effect of meth is pulmonary edema. (E-Deem-A). It stands for "fluid in the lungs". I described it as basically pooling inside the lungs, but it turns out it's actually inside the little blood vessels, and the increased "pulmonary pressure" from meth, whatever that means, makes it likely that the internal fluid ends up in that area. What this means if for all intents and purposes, there is no blood reaching these tiny blood vessels, and no oxygen exchange going on. Pulmonary Edema is not simply caused by meth however, it requires some action to occur.

Screaming, rapid breathing, or anything else that gets the lungs going quickly causes increased pressure to force the "lung juice" through like a sieve, trapping it inside the alveoli (little lung bits) and basically preventing breathing from occurring.

The result is a swollen, fluid filled lung that doesn't quite do its job.

And I did some quick research, and yeah. his lungs were. Not only were his lungs full of fluid, but they weighed a kilogram during his autopsy.

"1 kg" chuckles the prosecutor. Stabbing herself and pulling out a lung, and dropping it onto the scale. "My healthy lung is 1 kg, clearly his lungs were fine"

Blood drains out of bodies before the autopsy. According to studies I found, the average dead dudes lung weighs 250 g.

Meaning that drained of blood, Floyd's lung weighed the same as most people's normal, healthy lungs. Or in other words, there was as much fluid in Floyd's lungs than there is blood in your's at this very moment.

Just something I haven't seemed mentioned so far.
This isn't about the evidence anymore. At least, I strongly doubt it. Chauvin will at least get nicked for manslaughter because he was not 100 percent perfect. There wasn't a damned thing that could have saved Floyd short of the EMTs teleporting in with Narcan and immediately correctly diagnosing his state and administering lifesaving treatment. This was a perfect storm of bullshit that hit imperfect people and the mob wants their blood.
 
Did you know that months before Rosa Parks started the Montgomery bus boycott, there was a 15 year olf girl named Claudette Colvin who refused to give up her seat on the bus, and was arrested? But, instead of using her arrest to kick off the bus boycott, NAACP and the other black organizations felt that Claudette would have been a bad face for the movement. She was too young, didn't have the right look, and became pregnant shortly after. So the NAACP had Rosa Parks become the movement icon instead. (source - NPR)

why the fuck couldn't BLM do that with George Floyd.
I genuinely have trouble imagining a worse public figure to become the icon of BLM. A felon junkie deadbeat dad who was high on a cocktail of drugs when he went into a convenience store to buy a banana, of all things, with a counterfeit twenty. It sounds like if 4-chan trolls were trying to come up with a racist caricature, but were having a lazy day.
I think people are forgetting how raw the original footage of Floyd dying was. In hindsight it was obviously astroturfed to hell but at the time it looked like a stunning vindication of everything BLM had been saying about racism when you had visual proof of what seemed to be a white police officer slowly choking a helpless black man to death while his fellow cops do nothing and a crowd of concerned citizens futilely pleads for his life. Just look at the first few pages of the riots thread, you had posters here screaming for Chauvin to be lynched and justifying the initial frenzy of rioting, cops nationwide were agreeing Chauvin went too far and couldn't throw him under the bus quickly enough (and if Lt. Zimmerman's testimony is any clue MPD very much still wants to reverse the bus back over Chauvin) and there was a broad consensus for a while that even if Floyd was a scumbag he didn't deserve to be killed. People are right that the racebaiters would've latched on to anything else but nothing else had the same impact, with Ahmaud Arbery all you had was grainy cellphone footage of two rednecks getting into a scuffle with the original jogger that ends in gunfire and with Breonna Taylor all you had was bodycam footage of one of the officers doing a panicked magdump outside the building, the boyfriend's insistence that she was totally sleeping in her bed when she was shot and a vague feeling that both sides are probably lying about something.

Of course now we have a better picture of what actually happened and that far from being used to 'justify' his death after the fact Floyd's history of drug-fueled idiocy most likely contributed to his death more than anything else. But in the meantime there's still a shockingly large amount of people who don't know the full picture of what happened, have either constructed a narrative of Floyd being literal Black Jesus who died for racial equity or have passively accepted said narrative, and have built too much of their worldview on the emotional initial reaction to Floyd dying to turn around now and admit that maybe they were wrong and maybe the media was lying to them the whole time. They 'know' that Floyd was brutally murdered and that this should be a 'slam dunk' for the prosecution so if the prosecution doesn't manage to land a conviction it'll be proof positive that we live in a systemically racist society after all.
 
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At this point I honestly think it’s just activists trying to start a race war. BLM seems to always champion the most degenerate black men for their riots, not the black women, like Taylor (Who had a bloody JOB and sounded nice), and not any young black men who literally did nothing. Why is it always the bums that they want to turn in to angels? I’m getting to believe in conspiracies at this point.
What race war? They're not doing this even handedly where they show white people as monsters to blacks and then blacks as monsters to whites, they're only showing white people as evil racists. The goal isn't a race war, it's for whitey to take whatever they dish out and be happy about it because he always deserves worse.

Why do they pick the worst? They don't, Taylor was a criminal but definitely more marketable as a person. The reason Floyd was picked was because the footage was very useful and it was already a controversy so they just boosted it. It's much easier to show Floyd getting kneeled on rather than an image of a woman and then some lies about her getting shot. It's also about making the lie big, making it harder for people to believe it's false and more demoralizing for those that don't believe it when everyone around them gobbles it up.

Also, black people are a privileged class in the US so the actual good martyr people don't get into situations like this, they coast away to success.
 
Suck off the cops dick more. Im no commie but since when is it cool to defend cops its honestly pathetic.

I'm going to propose a radical idea:

Defending the people who are in the right, not in the wrong. Not choosing who you defend because "lol, niggers" or "ACAB!". Looking at the facts of a situation, and making your judgement on those, not on what group you think it's "pathetic" to defend or some shit.
 
What race war? They're not doing this even handedly where they show white people as monsters to blacks and then blacks as monsters to whites, they're only showing white people as evil racists. The goal isn't a race war, it's for whitey to take whatever they dish out and be happy about it because he always deserves worse.

Why do they pick the worst? They don't, Taylor was a criminal but definitely more marketable as a person. The reason Floyd was picked was because the footage was very useful and it was already a controversy so they just boosted it. It's much easier to show Floyd getting kneeled on rather than an image of a woman and then some lies about her getting shot. It's also about making the lie big, making it harder for people to believe it's false and more demoralizing for those that don't believe it when everyone around them gobbles it up.

Also, black people are a privileged class in the US so the actual good martyr people don't get into situations like this, they coast away to success.

You think they aren’t “showing blacks as monsters to whites”?
Fucking hell.
 
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Granted, her boyfriend was a drug-dealing scumbag but she was in the wrong place at the wrong time during a no-knock warrant.

I noticed for a bit near the end of the summer riots, it looked like they were going to focus more on Breonna Taylor and Floyd's shady past might've been too inconvenient but once Biden was in, they went back to focusing on Floyd.
1. I'm pretty sure she got fired from her job as an EMT in 2017 from drugs.

2. Breonna and her boyfriend fired at cops with an AR15, which can be seen in these photos:

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Black person blames black culture's problems on external factors within white society's control.
In other news, gravity is a thing, water is wet, and the sky is blue. You fucking nigger.

I notice you don't take into account all the shit that whites give niggers for free to try to redress the balance.
Rent.
Phones.
Groceries.
Public transport.
Medical care.
Education.
Legal representation.
Easier access to tertiary education.
We couldn't help you more without taking your tests for you, you ungrateful cunt.
You act like bad shit from sixty fucking years ago affects you now, while benefits that whites provide today mean nothing.
You ungrateful fucking nigger. Fuck you. Almost a million white people have died to set you free, and you reward us by killing us at twenty times the rate we kill you, then complaining about 'white racism'. We do more for you than for any other group. No matter how far we bend over backwards, it's never enough.
You were enslaved by your own kind, onsold by Jews, but apparently only white people need to bear the moral responsibility for the whole nigger supply chain.
The loan that the British Commonwealth took to set every slave free in 1834 wasn't paid out until 2015. White people alive right now have paid debts left to them by their forebears to set you free.
The current generation of white people are by far the most accepting of your shortcomings as a race, and you still whine about racism and complain about the poor outcomes you experience due to your own fucking stupidity. If you could stop committing crimes and spend ten minutes in self-reflection you'd realize that all the free shit you get now is the opposite of fucking slavery. No other race in America gets given so much stuff without working for it.

Fuck you. You don't hear latinos, Indians or Asians fucking complain about racism while stabbing white women to death or executing white children riding their bikes.
You're a member of a savage, retarded, violent cohort of sub-80 IQ fuckwits who contribute literally nothing tangible to the American nation but constantly cry about how you're 'oppressed'.
You fucking worthless piece of shit. How dare you blame your fucking chimp species' lack of success on white society.

Care to put your money where your mouth is, faggot?

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Bring all your cowardly friends with you. I'll go to prison but you'll all go to the morgue!
 
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