Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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I am watching very closely the next month for any signs of health weirdness in my dad.

It's 6 out of 7 million. Once again these absolute fucking re,tards have zero sense of understanding risk management.

Some may draw the implication that if the government is pulling the plug on J&J for now, it means that your risk of dying from China virus is LESS than 6 in 7 million. Galaxy engulfing thunks right there.
 
It's 6 out of 7 million. Once again these absolute fucking re,tards have zero sense of understanding risk management.

Some may draw the implication that if the government is pulling the plug on J&J for now, it means that your risk of dying from China virus is LESS than 6 in 7 million. Galaxy engulfing thunks right there.
Considering a bunch of European countries are halting the Astrazeneca vax for the same reason, and yet keep insisting it's "safe," only for the USA to halt the J&J one in a similar fashion does not boast confidence to me. It seems as time goes on, these vaccines are looking more like a sham on a civilizational scale. I hope I am wrong and my dad turns out fine from this, but if something does happen, all bets are off in my eyes.
 
It's so tempting to said "how convenient". :thinking:
It's not convenient, it's intentional and on purpose. They're cancelling the vaccines based on tried and tested, pre-existing technology and are doing so with the intention of leaving only the mRNA ones as the options. There's obviously a reason for it though I'm not sure, what, but the Moderna and Pfizer ones are both causing severe and abnormal reactions in women with their menstrual cycles, and yet they're desperate to get us to take them.


Dysmonnorrhoea is a serious issue and should always be investigated, and they're desperate for us to take them. Something is severely awry with all of this.
 
mrna or whatever, I don't trust any of these rona vaccines, because they've been rushed.

mRNA vaccines are potentially paradigm changing for the treatment of things like cancer and I want that to succeed, but they picked the worst possible test-case for them with corona. Coronaviruses do cause clotting problems, and all the vaccines appear to have a small chance of causing them too, which is an issue that would have popped up during the testing phase and potentially corrected for as well, if they had been testing properly instead of rushing them out to fix a problem that was caused by the panic response to the virus in the first place. The SARS1 vaccines failed because of clotting issues, iirc.

None of this is necessary. None of it makes any sense from a remotely rational perspective. We shouldn't have spent a year locked in our homes over the boomer doomer, nor should we be pinning our hopes of "freedom" on poorly tested vaccines that are being rushed out to fix the results of the previous panic.
 
Anyone notice it's just the traditional type vaccines getting yanked? They REALLY want you to take the mRNA ones. Anyone not wondering why needs to kick their grey matter into gear.
Maybe it's a scam to make an evil antivaxxer like myself take an actual vaccine before it gets pulled from the market and I have to use literally untested technology to obtain my vaccine pass. Although granted, it's probably just as bad as the other vaccines but for different reasons.
Considering a bunch of European countries are halting the Astrazeneca vax for the same reason, and yet keep insisting it's "safe," only for the USA to halt the J&J one in a similar fashion does not boast confidence to me. It seems as time goes on, these vaccines are looking more like a sham on a civilizational scale. I hope I am wrong and my dad turns out fine from this, but if something does happen, all bets are off in my eyes.
The COVID-19 pandemic is a sham on a civilizational scale. It's the greatest overreaction in history, and our leaders are too scared to admit they were wrong.

I'm really amazed we don't have more Ron DeSantis-types. DeSantis bought into the scam, IIRC he locked down his state longer than other red states like South Dakota, Georgia, or Tennessee, yet he eventually came out swinging against this nonsense. Just checking Georgia or Tennessee, their governors are too cucked to start demanding the blue cities banish the mask mandate bullshit, while DeSantis and even Abbott in Texas (who refused to act reasonably for far longer) have used their executive powers on cities enforcing bullshit mandates.
 
Maybe it's a scam to make an evil antivaxxer like myself take an actual vaccine before it gets pulled from the market and I have to use literally untested technology to obtain my vaccine pass. Although granted, it's probably just as bad as the other vaccines but for different reasons.
That's actually a far less cynical, and plausible take on the whole thing. Makes a lot of sense, and we all know that a huge part of this is to make $$$$ for the pharmaceutical companies so many Government members, elected reps and "advisors" hold shares in.
 
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Six? I mean, I'm all for being extremely cautious about these untested vaccines, but out of the tens of thousands of recipients of this J&J vax, six have coincidentally developed an issue and suddenly it's all shut it down? This is the same unthinking, panic reaction that put us in this situation to begin with. The world is run by morons with less emotional stability than chris.
"Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported."
This is from 2010 study. Maybe they know that VAERS is shit and are taking precautions in case that J&J is TromboZeneca 2.0. Or they start getting worrying data from hospitals.
 
Six? I mean, I'm all for being extremely cautious about these untested vaccines, but out of the tens of thousands of recipients of this J&J vax, six have coincidentally developed an issue and suddenly it's all shut it down? This is the same unthinking, panic reaction that put us in this situation to begin with. The world is run by morons with less emotional stability than chris.
I'm lazy and don't feel like pilfering through the CDCs byzantine system for the most up to date numbers but I do have numbers for mid-February! At the time we only had the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA jabs, let's go look at how they were doing some 2 to 3 months into their rollout!
653 Deaths + 12,044 Other Injuries Reported Following COVID Vaccine
Oh......

It's like what I said earlier, all this shit. All this "ooOOoOoOoo the AZ/J&J vaccines killed someone! You better take the safe mRNA jab!" garbage is the pfizer media team. Excellent propagandists, truly make the Nazis look like 5 year olds selling lemonade for a nickel given how it's even tricking people in this thread. The sum issue is that all vaccines carry some risk. This is the truth. It's just for most vaccines they have a long clinical and real world track record of only being dangerous in niche cases and immunizing against some truly dangerous diseases. Meanwhile, you've got this barely tested garbage that only shows that you probably won't die or have serious complications in the first few months at around the same rate as COVID. This shit is a joke. You're just as well off getting a placebo shot.

Anyone notice it's just the traditional type vaccines getting yanked? They REALLY want you to take the mRNA ones. Anyone not wondering why needs to kick their grey matter into gear.
I'm sticking with my theory that this rollout is to run the biggest drug trial ever attempted. The nature of mRNA vaccines means they are incredibly flexible in theory. You could effectively make a vaccine for anything. Just think of it, if you can get through a drug platform that makes vaccines for everything how many fucking customers is that?

My concern is the history of fuckups mRNA vaccines have had as recently as the last 10 years and it's always the same problems.
In previous clinical trials since the 1960’s [8] attempts to vaccinate against RSV, [9] Dengue, [10] SARS and MERS, the studies each failed during the animal phase. Cats, ferrets, monkeys, and rabbits each and every time experienced Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), also known as pathogenic priming or a cytokine storm. This occurs when the immune system creates an uncontrolled and overwhelming inflammatory response upon being confronted with the pathogen in the real world, and the outcome, tragically, is death. The same immune system overreaction took place in a number of infants in clinical trials who received an attempted RSV shot, as well as some six hundred Filipino children who died following early vaccination against Dengue [11] and it remains a viable concern today. [12]

Autoimmune disease occurs when the body's immune system can't tell the difference between its own cells and foreign cells, and causes the body to attack its normal cells. [13] It has been suggested that "molecular mimicry" may contribute to this problem, with antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 cross-reacting with structurally similar host protein sequences and raising an acute autoimmune response against them. [14]

Scientists have determined that the same spike protein found in SARS viruses are also responsible for the development of the placenta in mammals, including humans, and is therefore an essential prerequisite for a successful pregnancy. If a woman’s body is primed to attack these protein spikes, the immune system may prevent a placenta from being formed, which would render that woman infertile. [15]

Like I showed earlier in the post, it's not like the Pfizer and Moderna jabs haven't been giving people negative reactions and even killing them. So why the obsession from the bio-security state that we live under to shield those two and throw J&J and AZ under the bus? The only differentiating factor is that Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA jabs. It doesn't take a genius to notice this, but holy hell are the media going to scream "safe and effective" into your face until you succumb.
 
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mrna or whatever, I don't trust any of these rona vaccines, because they've been rushed.

mRNA vaccines are potentially paradigm changing for the treatment of things like cancer and I want that to succeed, but they picked the worst possible test-case for them with corona. Coronaviruses do cause clotting problems, and all the vaccines appear to have a small chance of causing them too, which is an issue that would have popped up during the testing phase and potentially corrected for as well, if they had been testing properly instead of rushing them out to fix a problem that was caused by the panic response to the virus in the first place. The SARS1 vaccines failed because of clotting issues, iirc.

None of this is necessary. None of it makes any sense from a remotely rational perspective. We shouldn't have spent a year locked in our homes over the boomer doomer, nor should we be pinning our hopes of "freedom" on poorly tested vaccines that are being rushed out to fix the results of the previous panic.
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mRNA vaccines have a lot of potential, but the speed for which they were rolled out is concerning. They went from having little more than a proof-of-concept prototype to suddenly expecting [insert ever-changing number here]% of the population to take them in a matter of months.

IMO everyone has the right to try experimental treatment if they for whatever reason feel the risk outweighs the reward, but don't try to fucking force it on the rest of us.
 
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