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[Criticallacitirc]

Male facial features on a (wannabe-) female body tend to always make them look older, while feminine facial features make people look younger. Its why some old ladies seem androgynous, their estrogen decreases post-menopause and they slowly masculinize a bit. Some MtTroons are like 21 but look 50 or older due to tragic man-face.

FTMs have a brief window when they are young to look like cute boys, then the majority just end up looking like old lesbians with a pube beard.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Different disciplines can argue they have their own narrow definition of sex (like maybe genetics), but if we're going to talk in a broader, general medical or biological context, we need a more nuanced definition to account for intersex conditions.

If we're discussing biology or medicine, we're going to be concerned with whole body sex in practical scenarios. This is going to be what's important to your average person off the street, your average biologist performing a study, and your average doctor.

Again, in narrow contexts like genetics, they might have a more strict definition.

This means we're really concerned with the SRY gene and its effects, not literally just XX or XY chromosomes or organs alone.

The SRY gene (and in a few outlier cases, other genes can contribute) is what triggers virilization. It sets off differentiating the gonads into either female gonads (ovaries) or male gonads (testicles). Male gonads start androgen production. The rest of the body responds to androgens with virilization.

XX people with gonadal dysgenesis do not have functional ovaries. They have female anatomy but it won't develop beyond childhood without hormone treatments. However with hormone treatments, they develop normally and if they have a uterus, they can become pregnant with an implanted ovum. It would be completely legitimate to refer to these people as biologically female. They do not simply "look like" they're female, but actually are female (by a fairly mainstream biological definition of female).

XY people with no SRY gene have similar issues. They can have most of what makes up normal female sex organs (aside from ovaries, instead they usually have streak gonads) and can possibly become pregnant. Again, it is entirely reasonable to consider them biologically female, just with a medical disorder.

And finally, people with CAIS have a functional SRY gene, however their bodies do not respond to testosterone. They do not (and cannot) virilize. The essential function of androgens in development is to keep the female parts from developing and instead have them develop into male parts.

If the androgens cannot do their job, female parts instead develop. The rest of the body also develops as females would.

And even the internal testicles do not develop the way they do in males. Even if we artificially gave CAIS individuals testosterone, their testicles couldn't function because they are entirely insensitive to androgens. Their bodies convert testosterone into estrogen.

That's the ironic thing; even if some CAIS woman tried to troon out and become a transman, artificial testosterone injections would just make them look more female.

Intersex really isn't biologically accurate. It's a (somewhat archaic) political term.

Honestly? That's kind of how biology in this area often works.

Not always, mind you. So for example, people with Kleinfelter syndrome are definitely male.

But a lot of different genetic disorders cause the body to develop as a female by default, because of how early stage sex differentiation works.

Factually speaking, without a functional SRY gene, they would be female, not male. At least by a mainstream biological standard. You can get into the weeds about other niche definitions, but that's not really relevant to 99% of biological or medical science.

CAIS people aren't female. Being female necessitates having the capacity to produce ovum. CAIS people do have differentiated male gonads. Female development entails more than a lack of testosterone, additionally, normal women are not insensitive to androgens. Whichever way you define it, CAIS people are genetic males who lack virilisation at every step of life, beginning in the womb.
In other words, being female is an actual differentiated reproductive role that requires active development, not being an underdeveloped male that superficially looks female. This is what MTF troons (and vice versa for FTM) don't understand.

Of course CAIS people are not troons and they didn't choose to be the way they are. No issue calling them women irl for courtesy.

 

[Chapstick4Lyfe]

Dear Substack,

I have to be a big boy and use filters and block lists, like everyone else in the world, to get the Internet experience I want. Please cease showing everyone content that gives me a frowny face so I don't have to lift a finger in dealing with my inability to navigate the world.

Everyone else should be responsible for shielding me from things I don't like, not me!

https://twitter.com/JuliaSerano/status/1382152510324895747 (Archive)

Troon fragility is ridiculous. They really can't do shit for themselves except whine about other people not catering to them and wiping their asses.

 

[Marvin]

CAIS people aren't female. Being female necessitates having the capacity to produce ovum.

Sterile people are not sexless.

CAIS people do have differentiated male gonads. Female development entails more than a lack of testosterone, additionally, normal women are not insensitive to androgens. Whichever way you define it, CAIS people are genetic males who lack virilisation at every step of life, beginning in the womb.

I mean, their male gonads aren't streak gonads, but they're not any more functional than streak gonads.

Their male gonads are not functional. In fact, even beyond just being non-functional, they cannot function. Their bodies cannot respond to testosterone.

If we agree that all mammals are strictly male or female, sex cannot rely on the individual ability to produce viable sperm or ova, because there's all kinds of sterility. The standard needs to be more nuanced than that.

Relying on the presence or absence of testicles or ovaries also doesn't work, because the gonads can just outright be absent, or non-functional (as with CAIS), or they can have ovotestes.

People with CAIS might be narrowly genetic males, but in the broader context of "biological males", it'd be silly to argue they're male.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Sterile people are not sexless.

I mean, their male gonads aren't streak gonads, but they're not any more functional than streak gonads.

Their male gonads are not functional. In fact, even beyond just being non-functional, they cannot function. Their bodies cannot respond to testosterone.

If we agree that all mammals are strictly male or female, sex cannot rely on the individual ability to produce viable sperm or ova, because there's all kinds of sterility. The standard needs to be more nuanced than that.

Relying on the presence or absence of testicles or ovaries also doesn't work, because the gonads can just outright be absent, or non-functional (as with CAIS), or they can have ovotestes.

People with CAIS might be narrowly genetic males, but in the broader context of "biological males", it'd be silly to argue they're male.

Note I said capacity, not individual ability. Infertile women are still women, same for men.

CAIS people certainly shouldn't be treated like regular males in a medical setting for example, but they just aren't women. They will have similarities but they are not female.

 

[ForbiddenVelma960]

This troon has needed to fuck off for more than a decade. When they first appeared they were very anti man. Then at some point they wrote an article about how nothing is more femme than taking dick. Can any of my fellow Kiwis locate that one? Serano is a long time gender cult cow and its been entertaining to see the mental gymnastics over the last several years. Also this is proof AGPs age like shit.

Anyway here's wonderwall....

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

Their male gonads are not functional. In fact, even beyond just being non-functional, they cannot function. Their bodies cannot respond to testosterone.

I‘m confused as to why non-functional male gonads make someone female. Do they have functional female gonads? Or non-functional, even?

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https://twitter.com/JuliaSerano/status/1382152510324895747 (Archive)

Troon fragility is ridiculous. They really can't do shit for themselves except whine about other people not catering to them and wiping their asses.

Lying dramatic troon anyway. Very little chance he isn’t signing himself up to stage a flounce. Lmao. He’s so irrelevant, it must make him frustrated.

 

[Marvin]

Note I said capacity, not individual ability. Infertile women are still women, same for men.

CAIS people certainly shouldn't be treated like regular males in a medical setting for example, but they just aren't women. They will have similarities but they are not female.

The definition I would use is that the female of a mammalian species is the one that develops towards the production of large, immobile gametes.

That considers the totality of the circumstances. An individual can be missing individual parts of normal development but still be female.

Thus XX people with gonadal dysgenesis are still female. They cannot naturally produce ovum, but their bodies still develop towards that end. And XX people who have a functioning SRY gene develop along a male trajectory, again, even if they ultimately cannot succeed at producing sperm.

Unless we're getting into a very narrow field (less overall "biology" and more specific "genetics"), CAIS are more female than male.

I‘m confused as to why non-functional male gonads make someone female. Do they have functional female gonads? Or non-functional, even?

It's not that those are the marker that make them female. It's that they're the only thing remaining that would put their sex into question. If they did function, I'd say the person is male*, like with Caster Semenya. (I'd be polite to someone like Caster, but objectively they're realistically regarded as male.)

In male development, certain androgen hormones are released that reform the organs that could develop into either a female reproductive tract or a male one. If those androgen hormones don't work, the female reproductive tract is left as the default.

Edit: *Well, and to elaborate on this: it's not just that the testicles function, but all that implies. If your testicles function, then the rest of your body responds to testosterone in a male way too. So you produce sperm, and you also bulk up and react in all the other male ways to testosterone. People with CAIS do not. Their bodies convert testosterone into estrogen.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

If we agree that all mammals are strictly male or female, sex cannot rely on the individual ability to produce viable sperm or ova, because there's all kinds of sterility. The standard needs to be more nuanced than that.

Relying on the presence or absence of testicles or ovaries also doesn't work, because the gonads can just outright be absent, or non-functional (as with CAIS), or they can have ovotestes.

Transsexual April Ashley accidentally set the legal precedent for what defines reproductive sex in English law, which is that sex is determined by a combination of chromosomes, gonads, gametes and genitals.

People with CAIS have male chromosomes and male (non functioning) gonads, no gametes and female genitals, so are officially determined to be male (2 ticks for male, 1 tick for female).

Nonetheless almost all British CAIS people live their lives perceived as female and have female paperwork (having been erroneously assigned female at birth and not seeing any practical need to change that).

Not sure how other legal systems handle sex classification? The stupidity of the GRA and the ’legal fiction’ it created undermines this anyway, silly hodge podged laws.


I have chatted to a person with CAIS before and while they felt they didn’t really belong with women as a group, and avoided women only spaces as much as possible, they did understand and accept that society saw them as a woman and didn’t see much point in fighting that, because they would never fit in with men as a group either.

Nice person, complicated life. Lots of fear of rejection.


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Julia Serrano is the ballbag that decided loads of biological women have AGP, so AGPs are trueandhonestwomen.
Absolute nutcase.

 

[Marvin]

Transsexual April Ashley accidentally set the legal precedent for what defines reproductive sex in English law, which is that sex is determined by a combination of chromosomes, gonads, gametes and genitals.

People with CAIS have male chromosomes and male (non functioning) gonads, no gametes and female genitals, so are officially determined to be male (2 ticks for male, 1 tick for female).

Nonetheless almost all British CAIS people live their lives perceived as female and have female paperwork (having been erroneously assigned female at birth and not seeing any practical need to change that).

That's a more realistic approach.

Not sure how other legal systems handle sex classification? The stupidity of the GRA and the ’legal fiction’ it created undermines this anyway, silly hodge podged laws.

The legal situation in the US is a clusterfuck because of federal vs state issues.

Some states permit birth certificates to be amended and all other states are required to accept them.

Of course, it's completely bonkers that people are allowed to amend their birth certificates at all for anything other than a factual error (ie wrong birth place or something), but that's currently how it works in many states.

State licenses list sex, but it's really treated more as gender because some states (including mine, god help us) offer a gender neutral "X" marker.

 

[Johnny Hungee]

Terven Twitter delivers yet again. Now I don't have the exact context for this troon meltdown, but I get the feeling his response is a litttttle disproportionate to whatever "abuse" he's received.

He was comradecora on tiktok, but apparently the account no longer exists. It seems he's deleted some of his social media after his freakout, but you can find him on YouTube (he's made some popular YTPs).

Spoiler: More fun

His avatar:
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Him in real life:
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He's got an OnlyFans too!

Wow, Tranny Garth has some pretty serious anger issues.

Remember guys, being a troon is NOT a mental illness. Just ask this one who visibly describes how he wants to murder and cannibalize cis people!

 

[Holiday of no return]

Omg puberty blockers are harmless guyss



Can anyone tell what the fuck is esteemed kweer actress Jameela Jamil on about? Were they really handing out Lupron like candy for heavy periods in the 90s? Giving a young girl puberty blockers after she's already started menstruating seems like a bad idea.

E: Whoa didn't realise that JJ had her own thread

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

Omg puberty blockers are harmless guyss

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Can anyone tell what the fuck is esteemed kweer actress Jameela Jamil on about? Were they really handing out Lupron like candy for heavy periods in the 90s? Giving a young girl puberty blockers after she's already started menstruating seems like a bad idea.

Everything that comes out of this cow's mouth is a deliberate lie or dumb as shit. So no, they were not handing out puberty blockers to girls in the 90s.

From her own thread

JJ reckons that loads of girls at her school were on puberty blockers for period problems. Given that they are only used in gynaecology in grown women as a last resort before surgery for things like endometriosis and fibroids, why the hell would any girl be given them before trying the pill, an IUD, tranexamic acid, etc.? If 'loads' of girls at her school were on GnRH analogues, this would be a medical scandal that would warrant an investigation.

This bullshit has attracted 6000 likes. Kids see nonsense like this and think that these drugs are no big deal...

 

[qt farmer :)]

Omg puberty blockers are harmless guyss

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Can anyone tell what the fuck is esteemed kweer actress Jameela Jamil on about? Were they really handing out Lupron like candy for heavy periods in the 90s? Giving a young girl puberty blockers after she's already started menstruating seems like a bad idea.

it's pretty well-known that Jameela is a grifter and a chronic liar when it comes to trying to wriggle herself into controversial topics. I've also heard people outside of KiwiFarms mention possible Munchausen's ala mental abuse caused by her mother growing up, but regardless whether or not that is true, what is true is that she very annoyingly inserts herself into almost anything with a buzz.

 

[ghost_ghost]

Omg puberty blockers are harmless guyss

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Can anyone tell what the fuck is esteemed kweer actress Jameela Jamil on about? Were they really handing out Lupron like candy for heavy periods in the 90s? Giving a young girl puberty blockers after she's already started menstruating seems like a bad idea.

E: Whoa didn't realise that JJ had her own thread

Liar is lying.

 

[Der weiße Teufel]

Omg puberty blockers are harmless guyss

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Can anyone tell what the fuck is esteemed kweer actress Jameela Jamil on about? Were they really handing out Lupron like candy for heavy periods in the 90s? Giving a young girl puberty blockers after she's already started menstruating seems like a bad idea.

E: Whoa didn't realise that JJ had her own thread

Why would they give them puberty blockers instead of common birth control if the only issue was "heavy periods"? I never even heard of puberty blockers in the 90s. Jameela is truly insane.

 

[Schatzi Katze]

Can anyone tell what the fuck is esteemed kweer actress Jameela Jamil on about? Were they really handing out Lupron like candy for heavy periods in the 90s? Giving a young girl puberty blockers after she's already started menstruating seems like a bad idea.

My moneys on she is confusing puberty blockers with hormonal birth control, which IS sometimes prescribed to regulate and lessen the severity of some periods.

...Wait holy shit i wonder how many people are also making that mistake/poor association. "well hormonal birth control is safe therefore hormone blockers probably are too"?????

Hell, even birth control can do some nasty shit to your body depending on what type you take.

True! But at least hormonal birth control has had decades of study and refinement under its belt and for most people it is safe and effective. Hormone blocking drugs are quite new to the pharma world and are already proving the side effects from being on them often outweigh the help for the serious medical conditions they were developed for.

 

[Witthel]

My moneys on she is confusing puberty blockers with hormonal birth control, which IS sometimes prescribed to regulate and lessen the severity of some periods.

...Wait holy shit i wonder how many people are also making that mistake/poor association. "well hormonal birth control is safe therefore hormone blockers probably are too"?????

Hell, even birth control can do some nasty shit to your body depending on what type you take.

 

[yoshikage]

Depo provera and other birth controls (which aren't really fully safe, even if they are safer than puberty blockers) can and are prescribed for unnaturally heavy and painful periods in young women, but puberty blockers are not. The main usage they ever saw was for precocious puberty and even that has been shown to have been a long-lasting mistake despite the overall short time they typically were given Lupron. I'm guessing she heard about girls getting prescribed depo, didn't know what it was, later heard about Lupron, and mashed them together into this lie to sound better to Twitter.

 

[neverendingmidi]

Omg puberty blockers are harmless guyss

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Can anyone tell what the fuck is esteemed kweer actress Jameela Jamil on about? Were they really handing out Lupron like candy for heavy periods in the 90s? Giving a young girl puberty blockers after she's already started menstruating seems like a bad idea.

E: Whoa didn't realise that JJ had her own thread

I never heard of puberty blockers being used except for cancer victims before troonery kicked up. And in those cases it was usually to help prevent cancerous tissue from growing with the rest of the body as it went through a growth spurt, and only used during chemotherapy treatments. Until this thread I hadn’t heard of them being used for precocious puberty, let alone sterilizing kiddies for fun and profit.

Hell, even birth control can do some nasty shit to your body depending on what type you take.

Knew a girl who got to enjoy a three month long period when she went on some kind of BC in the military. They seriously pushed that on you if you were female, asking like five times if you were sure you didn’t want to go on it before they’d let you leave the consultation. She was hoping to get on something different once out of boot camp, but I never saw her after that so I hope she got her system sorted out.