The small group of people who ARE attracted to a mix of primary and secondary characteristics are widely derided by pretty much everyone, including tranners themselves (ie tranny chasers, aka GAMPs -people, mostly men, with a paraphilia known as ‘Gynandromorphophilia’ - these dudes are statistically likely to also have AGP and thus eventually troon out themselves).
To make this a crossover episode with Deepland’s post about Ladyboys on the previous page, chasers are extremely well represented amongst the western sex tourists who specifically travel to Thailand and other nearby countries with similar third gender traditions for femme-y men, in order to buy sex from ladyboys. Some of them even move there and settle down with ladyboy partners (see Rod Fleming, tranny chaser extraordinaire, as an example - Fleming is very committed to Blanchard’s typology and like most GAMPs has a particular interest in HSTS - his take down of Contrapoints’ video on AGP is unintentionally hilarious, as he repeatedly points out that Contra is an AGP over and over, but not from a tervern viewpoint, or a transphobe viewpoint, or even a normie viewpoint, Fleming is proudly and publicly ‘transamorous’ and he still doesn’t fancy Nyk or agree with anything Nyk has to say about troonism
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6n8mpqWBL4E )
Why ladyboys tolerate chasers in a way that western trannies do not, I presume is part cultural, but largely economic?
Anyway, I agree that Thailand seems to manage troonism in a more practical way, normies don’t pay much attention, and not having the ability to change legal sex keeps the troon delusions in check and stops them being a menace to women and/or demanding language and society be completely remade to suit them instead of everyone else.
I don’t think you can really compare current day western HSTS and ladyboys because of the massive societal and cultural differences, but I think the foundational motivations for trooning are probably the same, and they exhibit broadly similar behaviour as (being GNC from early childhood, preferring straight-seeming men to gay men, wanting to fulfil a stereotypical female role in a hetero-looking relationship, ie being a ‘bottom’, a home maker, submissive etc. They’d probably make good Mormons in a weird parallel universe...)
Fleming says that the majority of Ladyboys are HSTS types, but that AGPs still exist in Asia, and those AGPs often play the role of ‘house mother’ or ‘brothel keeper’ and are often sexually predatory to the younger, newly out ladyboys. I don’t know how true that is but I have definitely read reports of AGPs in trans support groups being predatory towards HSTS (and the weird new young AGPs) and even towards young FtMs. That’s the GAMP/AGP co existing again, I guess?
I vaguely remember Fleming saying something about how mothers in the region are generally pretty accepting of their sons growing up to be ladyboys, but I don’t know if that’s true or not? He says it’s because ladyboys don’t have children so have time to look after mum when she gets old - I wondered if that’s part of the homosexuality and birth order thing (a boy with multiple older brothers is supposedly more likely to be gay
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/2/234 ) and that women who already have multiple sons are less likely to care/worry if the youngest one turns out GNC, because she’s either already had her fill of masculinity/has boys to contribute to physical labour and earn money/is pretty much already guaranteed grandbabies? But I’m just a spergy British shut in, so what do I know about mothers in Thailand? Suspect regional and class differences also play into it (I think my one Thai friend is probably a lot posher than average).
