Trainwreck Pamela Swain / DocHoliday1977 / MsPhoenix1969 / Observer1977 / danishlace2003 / Writer_thriller - Victim of grand #MeToo conspiracy, litigious wannabe starfucker, off her meds and online

[Illuminati Order Official]

I think she thinks you and @Young Ned of the Hill are the same acc, not me and you.

...and here I am, believing she melts us into one person because we're both rather civil in our posts...

 

[DocHoliday1977]

Wrong. For example, Copyright violation is a federal charge that is brought into civil courts. There are two different types of Federal Charges, namely criminal and civil. But, yes, criminal federal charges cannot be brought into Civil Courts. Which is why I said that you can't prevent him from holding office. Only Senate can. Then you started talking about another thing you couldn't do, namely Federal criminal charges.
Tldr: No, Pam, you can't stop the Trump.

You're bullshitting. Trust me, Trump, Trump jr, and Eric Trump can be charged with manslaughter 3 if not homicide, intent, and treasonous behavior for the dead Capitol cop who was bludgeoned to death by an incited mob. They would be tried like Snowden in a criminal federal court, not a political avenue. Impeachment brings only shame. They can throw their big-mouth asses into jail. And I like how the Trumps keep blathering. Cause in 3 years, if they try to run for anything, even local garbage men, the democrats will charge them. Wait and see.

I think she thinks you and @Young Ned of the Hill are the same acc, not me and you.

I haven't thought about either of you at all.

All I am doing is asking you a simple question.
In regards to the absurd link paranoia, you do realise that just by browsing this site you click on no less than hundred links per day? Those boomer memes you like? Tons of links to get them too. Anything and everything you do on the net requires you to press on links.

No, Richard.

At the very least, they are gathering evidence for a charge. @Useful_Mistake.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

They can throw their big-mouth asses into jail. And I like how the Trumps keep blathering. Cause in 3 years, if they try to run for anything, even local garbage men, the democrats will charge them. Wait and see.

In my experience it's not how politics work. It's usually "We threaten to our opponents with arrests but never actually do anything because when we do they'll do the same with us when they get in power".
Remember how W. Bush was supposed to answer for Iraq when Obama takes the office?

 

[DocHoliday1977]

In my experience it's not how politics work. It's usually "We threaten to our opponents with arrests but never actually do anything because when we do they'll do the same with us when they get in power".
Remember how W. Bush was supposed to answer for Iraq when Obama takes the office?

Bush never incited a riot where a government officer's life was lost.

 

[Kurple Pecleon]

I haven't thought about either of you at all.

That's literally all you do all day, Parnalia. You're a compulsive and, even worse, terrible liar.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Bush never incited a riot where a government officer's life was lost.

Well, Bush started a war where many civilian and military lives were lost.
Regarding Trump, try to apply Hanlon's Razor: "Don't attribute malice where stupidity and incompetence provide satisfying answer". Sure, he told those people to come there but I wouldn't suspect he expected them to spaz out that bad. And if you look at it from a distance, nothing hindered his case regarding unfair election more than those riots.

 

[DocHoliday1977]

Well, Bush started a war where many civilian and military lives were lost.
Regarding Trump, try to apply Hanlon's Razor: "Don't attribute malice where stupidity and incompetence provide satisfying answer". Sure, he told those people to come there but I wouldn't suspect he expected them to spaz out that bad. And if you look at it from a distance, nothing hindered his case regarding unfair election more than those riots.

NOt disagreeing with any of that. I know Cheney and his Haliburton made off with a killing too....But neither of them incited a riot in the hope to interfere with a normal government process that cost the life of a government officer - blatantly and unapologetically. I also know that Afghanistan boasted the largest British poppy fields in the drug market too.

I give up. All I could find is "Great Firewall".

GFW was Tony Robbins account on Gerry Butler Just Jared threads. Ages ago.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

NOt disagreeing with any of that. I know Cheney and his Haliburton made off with a killing too....But neither of them incited a riot in the hope to interfere with a normal government process that cost the life of a government officer - blatantly and unapologetically.

What I'm saying is, he didn't start the riots on purpose, he just underestimated stupidity of his supporters. He wanted them to be there for the proceedings to demonstrate how much support he has but in the end they made fools of themselves, made a fool of him and stopped the proceedings as a result.

I also know that Afghanistan boasted the largest British poppy fields in the drug market too.

Sad reality is, pretty much every war in history started because of money and resources. The rest is just decoration and proverbial spoonful of sugar to make dying in those wars easier for common folks.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

You're bullshitting.

Nope. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

Trust me, Trump, Trump jr, and Eric Trump can be charged with manslaughter 3 if not homicide, intent, and treasonous behavior for the dead Capitol cop who was bludgeoned to death by an incited mob.

Wrong. Again, Trump's speech did not pass Brandenburg v. Ohio :: 395 U.S. 444 (1969) test and is therefore fine. Read that Supreme Court case, and you'll see that it wouldn't apply. I could poke at every single hole in what you just said, but using Brandenburg v. Ohio :: 395 U.S. 444 (1969) defense is enough.
That being said, everything you just said is wrong.
There is a good reason why nobody attempted to prosecute him (because it wouldn't work).
Also, your listed things are not federal offenses.

They would be tried like Snowden in a criminal federal court, not a political avenue

You can guess however long you want, but the fact remains that he is not currently tried, nor would such prosecution work under current caselaw.

Impeachment brings only shame

100% incorrect. Read up on the impeachment clause.

They can throw their big-mouth asses into jail. And I like how the Trumps keep blathering. Cause in 3 years, if they try to run for anything, even local garbage men, the democrats will charge them. Wait and see.

1. They would need to convict him first.
2. The democrats would have to be able to control the DoJ
3. DoJ would be fighting a very uphill battle due to:

• Them attempting to interfere with his constitutional rights
• Brandenburg v. Ohio :: 395 U.S. 444 (1969) defense/test
• And because this looks like a political attack
• Statue of Limitations would forbid any conviction (§ 23–113)

That being said, even if he were to be convicted, Incitment to Violence is only a misdemeanor in DC, and people with misdemeanor's, and indeed even felonies, are still able to hold public office. Even being currently jailed does not stop you for running for public office or even holding it (see, for example, Matthew Lyon)

Tldr: You are wrong, and retarded.

No, Richard.

Ah, yes, thank for clarifying to me your inability to understand simple concepts.

At the very least, they are gathering evidence for a charge. @Useful_Mistake.

Who is that "they"?

In my experience it's not how politics work. It's usually "We threaten to our opponents with arrests but never actually do anything because when we do they'll do the same with us when they get in power".
Remember how W. Bush was supposed to answer for Iraq when Obama takes the office?

Yes, and that's how it went with Trump and Hilary, and with nearly every president before them. Pam simply neither gets law, nor politics.

Bush never incited a riot where a government officer's life was lost.

Neither did Trump. He was aquited.
That being said, Bush comitted 52 war crimes in Pakistan.

I wouldn't suspect he expected them

And that is one of the biggest problems if you want to charge him.

But neither of them incited a riot in the hope to interfere with a normal government proces

Neither did Trump. And why is suddently a small riot worse than war crimes? Antifa are still burning Portland down and are trying to interfere with normal governmental process. And they do it willingly.

blatantly and unapologetically

Trump literally told everyone to stop. You are just lying, like always.

 

[DocHoliday1977]

What I'm saying is, he didn't start the riots on purpose, he just underestimated stupidity of his supporters. He wanted them to be there for the proceedings to demonstrate how much support he has but in the end they made fools of themselves, made a fool of him and stopped the proceedings as a result.

Meh. He didn't take active measures to disperse them and sent people to specifically attack certain people in the Capitol building. He went too far.

Wrong. Again, Trump's speech did not pass Brandenburg v. Ohio :: 395 U.S. 444 (1969) test and is therefore fine. Read that Supreme Court case, and you'll see that it wouldn't apply. I could poke at every single hole in what you just said, but using Brandenburg v. Ohio :: 395 U.S. 444 (1969) defense is enough.
That being said, everything you just said is wrong.
There is a good reason why nobody attempted to prosecute him (because it wouldn't work).
Also, your listed things are not federal offenses.

Pretty sure there is no Brandenburg test that can help Trump here.

Neither did Trump. And why is suddently a small riot worse than war crimes? Antifa are still burning Portland down and are trying to interfere with normal governmental process. And they do it willingly.

Cause he was an outgoing president.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Yes, and that's how it went with Trump and Hilary, and with nearly every president before them. Pam simply neither gets law, nor politics.

People generally fall for it, every election, all over the (democratic) world. Probably just an unfortunate consequence of politics becoming another reality TV show.

Meh. He didn't take active measures to disperse them and sent people to specifically attack certain people in the Capitol building. He went too far.

I wasn't following it very closely but I got an impression he panicked and hid first and then told them to get lost?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Meh. He didn't take active measures to disperse them and sent people to specifically attack certain people in the Capitol building. He went too far

That is literally a lie.

Pretty sure there is no Brandenburg test that can help Trump here.

Are you saying that your hurt fee fees are more legaly binding than the test made by the Supreme Court specifically for these occations? If so, then you are a bigger moron than I thought.

Cause he was an outgoing president

In his speech he didn't do anything literally every other politician (president or no) hasn't done. Unlike what CNN would have you believe, his "mean, horrible" words were no worse than words of any other president or politician.

People generally fall for it, every election, all over the (democratic) world. Probably just an unfortunate consequence of politics becoming another reality TV show.

Yes, pretty much. No one will ever go after their political opponents. If they'd try, they'd ruin their entire political career.

I wasn't following it very closely but I got an impression he panicked and hid first and then told them to get lost?

He asked them to leave via twitter, live from White House. He had also authorized national guard to deal with it, but nobody used it until the the event was maybe 70-80% done

 

[Whale Spotter]

Recently, someone complained that our house was too "quiet".

They probably thought you murdered your mother and that was their excuse to check she was still alive without making you go completely insane.

Because you made a hate thread on me to "talk" to me, to force me to "accept" you and "like" you. It didn't happen. Sorry.

Never happened, I know you wish men wanted you like that, but they don't. I am not a man and even I can tell you.

I'll call the sheriff, tell him to read Harvey's usual blathering on the thread and we'll go from there.

I am sure the sheriff doesn't laugh behind your back at all...

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Yes, pretty much. No one will ever go after their political opponents. If they'd try, they'd ruin their entire political career.

The worst I can recall happening to an opposition politician was Marine Le Pen being court-ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation.

He asked them to leave via twitter, live from White House.

Not the most efficient way to address a rioting crowd but probably the only safe way to do it...

He had also authorized national guard to deal with it, but nobody used it until the the event was maybe 70-80% done

So this pretty much confirms he didn't want the riot (he would be an idiot if he wanted them) and did what was in his power to stop them.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

The worst I can recall happening to an opposition politician was Marine Le Pen being court-ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation

But can you remember one in US as opposed to France? Because I can't. Things like that don't tend to happen in US, and even in Europe like you say it's very rare.

Not the most efficient way to address a rioting crowd but probably the only safe way to do it

In his defence, he never went to the capital, so that was likely the fastest/most efficiant way to get the message through.

So this pretty much confirms he didn't want the riot (he would be an idiot if he wanted them) and did what was in his power to stop them.

Yup. Actually, even Capitol Guard wanted more troops but it kept getting denied. You gotta remember that the feds knew that this was gonna happen and didn't stop it.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

But can you remember one in US as opposed to France? Because I can't. Things like that don't tend to happen in US, and even in Europe like you say it's very rare.

It's the only example of a prominent politician being persecuted in any way I can recall from anywhere in the democratic part of the world.

In his defence, he never went to the capital, so that was likely the fastest/most efficiant way to get the message through.

Just saying with how disorganized it was it would be difficult to pass the message to the crowd. Assume they were too busy rioting to check Twitter every five minutes

Yup. Actually, even Capitol Guard wanted more troops but it kept getting denied. You gotta remember that the feds knew that this was gonna happen and didn't stop it.

Generally a terrible mess. I was actually surprised it ended so fast.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

It's the only example of a prominent politician being persecuted in any way I can recall from anywhere in the democratic part of the world.

Same. And I'd bet this was huge when it happened.

Just saying with how disorganized it was it would be difficult to pass the message to the crowd. Assume they were too busy rioting to check Twitter every five minutes

Yeah, fair enough. That's why the live video was there, I suppose. They could blast his voice through the capital and outside (although I don't recall if they did that, I only recall that he made a video)

Generally a terrible mess. I was actually surprised it ended so fast

Would have ended a lot faster if the feds" actually followed up and did something about the info they had. FBI had their own info about the attack, from both Parler and their own investigations

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Same. And I'd bet this was huge when it happened.

Huge enough to be known outside of France And it was nothing more than a slap on the wrist, she's still active in politics and sits in the National Assembly.

Yeah, fair enough. That's why the live video was there, I suppose. They could blast his voice through the capital and outside (although I don't recall if they did that, I only recall that he made a video)

Qtards would probably assume it's fake anyway.

Would have ended a lot faster if the feds" actually followed up and did something about the info they had. FBI had their own info about the attack, from both Parler and their own investigations

By Hanlon's Razor I assume the feds were as surprised as Trump by the scale of the riots.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

By Hanlon's Razor I assume the feds were as surprised as Trump by the scale of the riots

I mean, with how much power and info they had, I kinda wish they would have done a better job. As is, some half naked dudes stormed the capital and a force to drive them out only arrived after most of them left (which was like an hour later, IIRC).
I mean, they had the Parler posts and data, and a day before the 6th FBI knew there was going to be "war". Sometimes it's hard to see just how they messed it up. I mean, that is what they are paid for. The least they could do is do it well.

Sorry for the rambling.

 

[DocHoliday1977]

That is literally a lie.

Documented in real time.

re you saying that your hurt fee fees are more legaly binding than the test made by the Supreme Court specifically for these occations? If so, then you are a bigger moron than I thought.

I have no "fee fees".

He asked them to leave via twitter, live from White House. He had also authorized national guard to deal with it, but nobody used it until the the event was maybe 70-80% done

President George Washington personally called for and led the militia of 3 states and successfully dispersed the whiskey rebellion without a loss of *one* life. That's why he was the greater man and president than Dona;;d Trump.

I am sure the sheriff doesn't laugh behind your back at all...

He's read your posts of you all mocking him. You figure out the rest.

Not the most efficient way to address a rioting crowd but probably the only safe way to do it...

Not government precedent.

By Hanlon's Razor I assume the feds were as surprised as Trump by the scale of the riots.

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