Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Spangled Drongo]

Jesus Christ. I absolutely despise how these people just immediately jump on stereotypical pink and girly EVERYTHING after coming out. Jim Sterling did the exact same thing.

The vast majority of adult women don’t have to make everything ultra feminine. Why do all these online trans women use child-like aesthetics?

I was about to say that it irritates me how the majority of these trannies go hyper-feminine right after coming out. Their justification for doing it is “making up for lost time” (i.e. the years spent behaving in a typically masculine manner) or because they think society won’t see them as women unless they go overboard with the pink and glitter to distract from their unmistakably broad shoulders and lack of curves. The way Olly referred to himself before trooning out as “just a character I was playing” irked me for that reason - it’s absolutely the other way around, he has to do the fake tranny voice, minimise his masculine features through the use of clothes and makeup, and act all bubbly and cutesy to convince everyone that he’s just as much of a woman as someone born with XX chromosomes and a vagina. It’s just like playing any other acting role, only he wants to live it. Mate, you’re fooling nobody, people who aren’t simping for you and your fellow breadtubers will only see a man in a dress.

(I am aware some trannies don’t change a thing about themselves apart from maybe shaving and growing their hair out/wearing a wig if they don’t have enough hair. Really don’t know what’s worse - putting in zero effort or performing an exaggerated version of femininity. Either way, people outside the woke sphere aren’t going to fall for it)

 

[Rekkington]

I get that Olly / Nyk are going to try and sell people their political agenda from a flowery philosophical angle. After all, that's their forte. But there is also a gigantic economic aspect to the leftism they peddle which they're keen to just sweep under the rug. It ought to be baffling that they act like clueless ditzes when it comes to talking about the moolah, the most important thing. I guess the grift would fall to pieces once you started picking apart how unworkable their ideas are in reality, so perhaps it's not so baffling they swerve away from talking about it. Olly has been featured on the Bad Econ Takes twitter a couple of times now for some blunders:

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https://twitter.com/BadEconTakes/status/1289988116841816065

For people who claim to be experts on things, it's a bad look to talk about a bunch of basic shit you just figured out 5 seconds ago. Anarchists don't read history, Communists don't read economics, everyone says reading theory sucks until John Oliver in a Wig with Nipple Piercings explains it.
It's astounding Philosophy Tube and Contrapoints have so much wide acceptance in the Philosophy Community. It would be like if Adam Conover was really popular with scientists.

I am no expert on this shit but in my brief experience, the Philosophy Community at large needs a deep dive considering how fucked up and angry and hostile it is. The personalities, the politics, the forums and subreddits, it's an absolute hive of emotional and rhetorical madness. Maybe I need to find a thread on here about this but I think this is the reason Olly is being championed so hard, these motherfuckers are worse than videogame journalism.

 

[admiral]

There's a common joke on places like r/pcm that all (good) economists are right-leaning libertarians. I don't know if that's true or not, but it is funny that the biggest leftie youtubers are claiming cluelessness about the most important aspect of any political ideology which isn't complete anarchy. I think Contra might be playing dumb on purpose to be contrarian, but PT isn't that sharp.

Considering he's a philosophy grad I'm suprised that Ollie doesn't take more interest in the economy though, since economics and politics have always been core themes in philosophical concerns. Hopeful politicans don't take PPE at uni just for shits and giggles.

 

[Red_Squirrel]

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You’d think that if they seriously wanted to appear as a woman then they’d look to their female peers for aesthetic direction. If they’d bother to take 5 minutes just to neutrally observe women it would be very obvious that women have more in common with men taste-wise than they do little girls.

I think it’s quite revealing as to what their attitudes are towards women. A bizarre mix of infantilisation or fetishism/sexual objectification.

Olly is a bit of a strange case. He was clearly comfortable in his masculinity a couple of years ago. Prided himself on working out and building muscle. The true AGP angle feels a bit flimsy, given that he openly enjoyed taking on a Dom role in BDSM (please correct me if I’m wrong on this point) and there weren’t many prior hints. The strongest motivators for him transitioning appear to be clout chasing and his weird obsession with Contra.

 

[Meingott]

It's also a coming of age show about grotty teenagers in Leeds dealing with mental health problems and general teenage shit, so I'm curious as to how PT fits into all of this.

Maybe Olly will play the role of their groomer.

 

[esmeggs]

New stream is up and it's unsettling to watch Olly try so hard at being a caricature of a women, just watch the first couple minutes (starts at 1:10) and you'll see what I mean. I can't tell if he's trying extra hard to amp up his 'delicate feminine trans woman' act or if he's taking uppers. I know HRT can have euphoric effects when just starting out but I don't believe he's taking hormones.


The stream was mostly just spent discussing his Peterson video and looking at fanart of himself. I skipped large parts of it but here's some highlights:
-At 1:12:12 he swoons and (I think) implies that someone is sending him nudes/sexts during the stream.
-1:15:30 he starts deep breathing and moaning for a bit, he just acts as if he's in ecstasy for 30 seconds.
-At 9:09 he brought up that he was asked quite a bit if the Jordan Peterson video was his own unique creative vision, to which he says "Yes, I think it is. Definitely in this case I think it is." (I'm assuming that this is him addressing Contra comparisons)
-Someone complimented his hair and he used that as an excuse to start talking about the show that he's going to be on.
-He claimed that people are complaining more about the style over substance in his videos now that he has come out as trans, and thinks that it's partially due to transphobia rather than people genuinely valuing philosophy over theatrics. He draws some sort of comparison by saying that people see art and visual metaphors as 'artifice' and people view trans women as 'artificial' cis women.
-Plays up the whole "i'm so sleepy I got absolutely no sleep last night" and constantly yawning, which I wouldn't point out if I hadn't seen someone mention the same about a previous livestream of his.
-Someone in his chat paid $10 to ask him if the female arsonist character having bangs was supposed to be an intentional red flag to signal that she's a terf.
-1:16:30 he mentions that him and Lindsay Ellis still talk, she was going to send him a preview of her last video before it came out.

https://youtu.be/PeRgi9rHt0E?t=53

 

[Tombigbee]

He also says he won’t speak publicly (like at a university) unless they provide ample security. Jesus. Also that he won’t speak for free, or do any work for free, full stop. So principled, much Marxism. He literally says that he doesn’t want to commit to a (free, or low paying) speaking gig in case a more lucrative offer or acting gig comes up. Such a philosopher.

And yeah the secret text moment at 1:12:12 was very odd. I remember that in one of his old videos he mentions that he really didn’t have any friends, I think around the period of the “abusive” girlfriend. I wonder how full his life is now. I can see him talking and posing with his stuffed animals tbh. He always mentions getting ice cream or a brownie or some chocolate on his way home from recording the live streams. So maybe an ice cream social with his stuffed animals? That’s honestly the vibe he gives off.

The secret text moment put me in mind of a teenager pretending they have a Totally Real girlfriend that unfortunately lives out of state and can’t be seen or heard from ever, lol. Like, why bring it up at all during your “work” (the live stream)? He obviously wants his audience to think he’s in high demand as a sexy, sexy Abighoul. There was a similar moment in an earlier stream when a chatter asked what he’s most looking forward to after lockdown and he smiled mischievously and said he couldn’t say tee hee, wink wink. It’s so gross.

 

[esmeggs]

He also says he won’t speak publicly (like at a university) unless they provide ample security. Jesus. Also that he won’t speak for free, or do any work for free, full stop. So principled, much Marxism. He literally says that he doesn’t want to commit to a (free, or low paying) speaking gig in case a more lucrative offer or acting gig comes up. Such a philosopher.

And yeah the secret text moment at 1:12:12 was very odd. I remember that in one of his old videos he mentions that he really didn’t have any friends, I think around the period of the “abusive” girlfriend. I wonder how full his life is now. I can see him talking and posing with his stuffed animals tbh. He always mentions getting ice cream or a brownie or some chocolate on his way home from recording the live streams. So maybe an ice cream social with his stuffed animals? That’s honestly the vibe he gives off.

The secret text moment put me in mind of a teenager pretending they have a Totally Real girlfriend that unfortunately lives out of state and can’t be seen or heard from ever, lol. Like, why bring it up at all during your “work” (the live stream)? He obviously wants his audience to think he’s in high demand as a sexy, sexy Abighoul. There was a similar moment in an earlier stream when a chatter asked what he’s most looking forward to after lockdown and he smiled mischievously and said he couldn’t say tee hee, wink wink. It’s so gross.

I forgot to mention but at 51:20 he does the same thing, smiling and loudly mentioning he got some texts. Then acts like he's so distracted by whoever is texting him that he completely forgot about everything that he was just talking about. It's really obvious that he's faking because he makes a big show of it all. With that and him mentioning that he has plans during the evening, he definitely wants someone to know that he has someone intimately interested in him.

Also wanted to add that near the end someone asks where he would want to go on vacation. He says he wants to go on a boat, then suggestively mentions that he would need to get a swimsuit first, giggles, and then covers his mouth with his hand. Whenever he laughs he moves his hand to cover his mouth, something I've never seen a grown woman do.

 

[Memento Malum]

It's amusing to watch a "trained actor" utterly fail to act like a woman at all. With most troons, they're either very autistic or obvious AGPs, so it makes sense that they would end up with a horrifying caricature of how anime and/or porn portray women, but Olly is an actor.

You would think this would translate to him at least being able to affect common mannerisms or maybe even get the walk or voice or hand gestures done. But he doesn't do any of that. He can't walk in heels, his voice is in a constant struggle to remain "feminine", and his hands are, well, gigantic manhands.

So either he's a shit actor, or he's not actually trying to be a woman (or both, which is my guess). Nice job Olly! Can't wait to see your show, and laugh at the horrible huge ogre everyone is pretending is a dainty lady.

 

[Estate]

This thread is like a fairy tale love story, where prince charming goes to the ends of the world to sodomize another prince charming. No trial is too harsh, no quest too hard.
A singular focus, an indomitable will, for a man to put his penis into the anal cavity of another man.
I'm rooting for an HBO adaptation.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

This thread is like a fairy tale love story, where prince charming goes to the ends of the world to sodomize another prince charming. No trial is too harsh, no quest too hard.
A singular focus, an indomitable will, for a man to put his penis into the anal cavity of another man.
I'm rooting for an HBO adaptation.

HBO? No, I don't think so. More like Hallmark, BBC3, and Netflix.

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

Heres an example of how EVIL the NHS are towards trans people. They are so evil they are willing to put everyone else at risk to feed egos, but they wont let poor old ollie jump the line because hes so important

 

[Scarmaiden]

There's a common joke on places like r/pcm that all (good) economists are right-leaning libertarians. I don't know if that's true or not, but it is funny that the biggest leftie youtubers are claiming cluelessness about the most important aspect of any political ideology which isn't complete anarchy

People who study economy and finance (you know, the people who actually understand how money work) certainly are the least favorable towards marxism. Guess who are the people who love it? You wouldn't believe:

https://dailynous.com/2019/07/15/political-views-philosophy-majors/

 

[scathefire]

Heres an example of how EVIL the NHS are towards trans people. They are so evil they are willing to put everyone else at risk to feed egos, but they wont let poor old ollie jump the line because hes so important

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Apparently in the US at least, 4 in 10 MtFs have HIV. I don't know if the rates are different in the UK, but I kind of doubt it based on how a lot of trannies tend to live their lives.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Olly is a bit of a strange case. He was clearly comfortable in his masculinity a couple of years ago. Prided himself on working out and building muscle. The true AGP angle feels a bit flimsy, given that he openly enjoyed taking on a Dom role in BDSM (please correct me if I’m wrong on this point) and there weren’t many prior hints. The strongest motivators for him transitioning appear to be clout chasing and his weird obsession with Contra.

Eh, considering a lot of tranny chasers go on to troon out themselves I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of those, considering he made a big deal of being open to fucking them when he first came out as bi. Pounding Contra in the ass might have awakened his own latent desire to troon out.

Heres an example of how EVIL the NHS are towards trans people. They are so evil they are willing to put everyone else at risk to feed egos, but they wont let poor old ollie jump the line because hes so important

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I'm not too familiar with the exact criteria for donating blood but I know being on certain meds can disqualify you, so it makes me wonder if the hormones they give troons would prevent them from donating. Especially when it's women taking testosterone, as that increases their risk of heart disease by a lot. And if it's all anonymous anyway, who gives a shit about what pronouns the donor uses?

Not sure if biological sex matters in blood and organ transplants, who's the best match, etc. either, but seeing this shit creep into medicine is just awful. Olly has no right to complain when terminology like "uterus havers" and "people with penises" is becoming more and more widespread, all to avoid reminding the troons of the reality of their biology.

 

[NormieCasual]

Eh, considering a lot of tranny chasers go on to troon out themselves I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of those, considering he made a big deal of being open to fucking them when he first came out as bi. Pounding Contra in the ass might have awakened his own latent desire to troon out.

I'm not too familiar with the exact criteria for donating blood but I know being on certain meds can disqualify you, so it makes me wonder if the hormones they give troons would prevent them from donating. Especially when it's women taking testosterone, as that increases their risk of heart disease by a lot. And if it's all anonymous anyway, who gives a shit about what pronouns the donor uses?

Not sure if biological sex matters in blood and organ transplants, who's the best match, etc. either, but seeing this shit creep into medicine is just awful. Olly has no right to complain when terminology like "uterus havers" and "people with penises" is becoming more and more widespread, all to avoid reminding the troons of the reality of their biology.

I've read that biological sex matter to some extent regarding blood transfusions.

researchers discovered men under 50 were 1.5 times more likely to die in the three years following a transfusion if they received a red blood cell transfusion from a woman donor who had ever been pregnant. This amounts to a 2 percent increase in overall mortality each year. Female recipients, however, did not appear to face an elevated risk. researchers discovered men under 50 were 1.5 times more likely to die in the three years following a transfusion if they received a red blood cell transfusion from a woman donor who had ever been pregnant. This amounts to a 2 percent increase in overall mortality each year. Female recipients, however, did not appear to face an elevated risk.

Bjursten’s own research found risk to both male and female cardiac surgery patients who received blood from someone of the opposite sex. It suggests gender-mixed transfusions may, on average, take about a year off a patient’s life.

Scientists speculate women who have been pregnant could have some immune factor in their red blood cells that causes more rejection among younger male recipients

Blood Boundaries: Should Transfusions Be Matched by Sex?

A new study raises questions about potential dangers

www.scientificamerican.com

But sex might be a factor in the rejection of organs:

Men and women who receive donated organs can have different rates of transplant rejection, in some cases influenced by the sex of the donor, according to a new study by investigators at Brigham and Women’s Hospital

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2018/03/gender-may-play-key-role-in-rejection-of-transplanted-organs/

As always, more research is needed. But for men, it seems to be better to get blood from men, and organs might be better for a same-sex transplant (rejection is stated to be complicated thus this is probably not the biggest cause of concern).

When it comes to just the rules of giving blood, they are tough. In Sweden, if you have spent a prolonged time in South Asia you need to wait ten years before you can give blood. If your veins are too deep you're not allowed, some medications can disqualify you. These are sick ideas that aren't focused on what is important: saving lives.

 

[admiral]

The rules about blood donation in the UK are numerous and complicated. I have a family member who can never give blood because they once worked in a hospital with hepatitis patients. Certain blood types are more in demand- they're currently not accepting from AB+ women, for instance. I imagine that many trannies would be disqualified from donation on minor technicalities based on medication and existing conditions, rather than a simple 'you're still a man', which would get them complaints.

edit, just remembered: The blood and transplant service only accepts plasma from male donors, as the plasma of female donors can contain anti-bodies which are dangerous and potentially life-threatening to male recipients. Would NHS B+T put recipients in danger by giving them the plasma of a trans man?

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Olly pretending to be an airhead is so fucking annoying because you can tell it's so blatantly fake, and it's a mans idea of how women are. Furthermore though, if Olly is such a space cadet, why should anyone take him seriously as a philosophy educator? if i signed up for a class and my professor started cracking constant joke about being dumb I would withdraw immediately.

Somehow the “what _________ thinks I do” is pretty applicable to Olly’s case here.

 

[Luna Mothews]

It's amusing to watch a "trained actor" utterly fail to act like a woman at all. With most troons, they're either very autistic or obvious AGPs, so it makes sense that they would end up with a horrifying caricature of how anime and/or porn portray women, but Olly is an actor.

You would think this would translate to him at least being able to affect common mannerisms or maybe even get the walk or voice or hand gestures done. But he doesn't do any of that. He can't walk in heels, his voice is in a constant struggle to remain "feminine", and his hands are, well, gigantic manhands.

So either he's a shit actor, or he's not actually trying to be a woman (or both, which is my guess). Nice job Olly! Can't wait to see your show, and laugh at the horrible huge ogre everyone is pretending is a dainty lady.

To be able to play a role you need to understand it. Can one meaningfully understand what it’s like to be the opposite gender? Maybe. But Olly sure doesn’t. I would argue he doesn’t even act like a convincing troon, much less a convincing woman.

 

[Shrryph1]

To be able to play a role you need to understand it. Can one meaningfully understand what it’s like to be the opposite gender? Maybe. But Olly sure doesn’t. I would argue he doesn’t even act like a convincing troon, much less a convincing woman.

Okay, I’ve been reading over this thread the last few days, and felt a good enough chiming in point. When I see him put on his Woman Act, that’s all it looks like to me. I watch a few clips of him doing his very best regal lady bullshit and all I can think in my mind is, “Once he turns that camera off, he scrubs his face, puts on some boxers and stops doing the act.” There is no way he actually lives full-time as a woman. It’s just another character.

Say whatever you want about Contrapoints, but I actually buy he’s really trying to fully embrace and act in day to day life as what he think a woman is or does. Olly is just a desperate creep. I watch his videos and look and the comments and want to pull my hair out. How do these people not get serious creep vibes from this dude? Especially since you blink your eyes and he goes from dude bro to wanna be dainty lady in, like, two seconds?