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naaaaiiiiillllll!!! said:
Why are the only based black men fucking pedos?! :(
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Ever hear of Barricade Garage? Or Hoteps Been Told You? Sonnie Johnson?
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Gingervitis said:
@AnOminous I remember hearing somewhere that pedo hunters, more often than not, tend to fuck shit up for the police and the prosecution when it comes time to actually try them? Is this true, and how is this true?
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Not him (mad respect though ♥), but in a lot of jurisdictions "citizen investigations" carry a lot less weight in court than police investigations do. It's one thing for a parent to capture chat logs and record physical confrontations with some creep who actually is grooming a real kid and then turn that over to the police (that's easier to prosecute since there's a real victim -- and legal guardians -- who can give sworn testimony), but it's quite another to just run a private sting and then turn over the evidence to the police.

Private stings are less reliable because there's no guarantee the suspect's rights weren't violated or that entrapment didn't occur (by that jurisdiction's laws, not the layman's interpretation of the term), there's no reliable "chain of custody" for any evidence obtained, and often in a court's eyes, all of the evidence gathered is basically just hearsay (even chat logs, phone and video recordings, etc.) because no "official" law enforcement was involved in collecting it. That is to say, the suspect wasn't IM'ing a police officer acting as a decoy, talking dirty and sending naughty pictures. Chat logs are trivial to fake (they're just text) and a private citizen's word that "these are totes legit" often isn't good enough.

The other big problem with private stings is they're fucking dangerous. Big-budget investigations like To Catch a Predator lured suspects to a controlled environment that was carefully set up to keep everyone involved safe. Lots of physical security hiding in rooms with low lighting, hidden cameras everywhere, a non-aggressive and non-threatening confrontation that quickly ended in the suspect being surrounded by a camera crew, police waiting to "spring the trap" when each suspect left the house, and so on. I think they only ever went out "on location" for one sting, and that was only because they'd literally busted the absolute bell-end the day before and he went straight home to arrange another meeting with another girl who also happened to be yet another decoy by the same sting operation (lol).

These vigilante types, on the other hand, cheerfully go out into public places (often as a group) to aggressively confront suspected pedophiles. They get right in their faces, call them names, threaten them with arrest and ruin, follow them if they try to leave the area, often times try to physically block or even detain them, and rarely "break off" if their target clearly warns them to leave him alone. Do that in America in some places and you're liable to end up staring down the barrel of a gun. Everywhere else you're risking an ass kicking. And either way, you'll generally find the cops unsympathetic because you just rolled up on some dude and started flexing on him. I've actually seen these vigilante groups post videos of confrontations that include police interactions at the end where the cops literally say "wait, so you're not law enforcement? WTF are you thinking acting like this? You could really get hurt!"

Since those confrontations practically never result in an arrest of a suspected nonce, they just go home knowing that people are watching and they've likely informed the police, so the nonce knows to go "under the radar" again for awhile so potential investigators lose interest and move on. If these vigilantes would just gather chats, emails, photos and videos sent by the suspect and then turn that in to police, actual law enforcement could then actually start watching the guy for awhile as he operates without him knowing he's being monitored. Direct confrontations just make the nonces harder to catch.

Productions like TCaP did their homework (at least after the first special aired) and contacted law enforcement agencies well in advance of setting up those stings. They collaborated with police departments to run the stings in a way that (usually) gathered enough reliable evidence to get convictions. They also made sure that host Chris Hansen always made it clear when he confronted each target that he wasn't a police officer or any kind of law enforcement official, and made it equally clear they were free to leave at any time. He never threatened violence or arrest, and never assumed any threatening posture (or even raised his voice, except for a few times when he couldn't help but sound incredulous at some ridiculous excuse someone gave him during the confrontation). And nobody in the production ever physically blocked someone from leaving. They also never performed a direct hand-off to police; they always just showed the target the exit, and had the cops waiting around the corner or in the garage or whatever. They cooperated with police, but they didn't get involved in making arrests.

If you've seen all the shows they aired, you'll notice that after the first couple of stings they ran, the group they worked with ("Perverted Justice," I think) started asking their targets to bring specific items with them to the in-person meetings they arranged. Condoms, of course, but also something like a pizza or a plushie or a "present" or a specific type or brand of beer/alcohol. If the target showed up without those things, they could usually still get a conviction, but if the target did bring those specific items, it served a dual purpose -- it proved the person who showed up was the same person who participated in the chats, and it showed intent. It's pretty hard to explain why you'd just randomly show up at some 13-year-old girl's house with a plushie and a box of condoms in your pocket unless you were chasing some underage booty.

Even with all that preparation and care (I personally think they did a genuinely good job, actually tried their best to get it right and weren't just chasing ratings), there were plenty of instances where men caught in those TCaP stings either didn't get prosecuted at all or ended up being acquitted. It was almost always because of entrapment arguments or disputes about the reliability (and admissibility) of gathered evidence. And in a few cases I think the DAs just decided it wasn't worth prosecuting because there wasn't an actual victim.

So even with all that credibility, they don't always get convictions despite clear guilt. And private stings can't get anywhere close to that level of credibility.
 
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Not him (mad respect though ♥), but in a lot of jurisdictions "citizen investigations" carry a lot less weight in court than police investigations do. It's one thing for a parent to capture chat logs and record physical confrontations with some creep who actually is grooming a real kid and then turn that over to the police (that's easier to prosecute since there's a real victim -- and legal guardians -- who can give sworn testimony), but it's quite another to just run a private sting and then turn over the evidence to the police.

Private stings are less reliable because there's no guarantee the suspect's rights weren't violated or that entrapment didn't occur (by that jurisdiction's laws, not the layman's interpretation of the term), there's no reliable "chain of custody" for any evidence obtained, and often in a court's eyes, all of the evidence gathered is basically just hearsay (even chat logs, phone and video recordings, etc.) because no "official" law enforcement was involved in collecting it. That is to say, the suspect wasn't IM'ing a police officer acting as a decoy, talking dirty and sending naughty pictures. Chat logs are trivial to fake (they're just text) and a private citizen's word that "these are totes legit" often isn't good enough.

The other big problem with private stings is they're fucking dangerous. Big-budget investigations like To Catch a Predator lured suspects to a controlled environment that was carefully set up to keep everyone involved safe. Lots of physical security hiding in rooms with low lighting, hidden cameras everywhere, a non-aggressive and non-threatening confrontation that quickly ended in the suspect being surrounded by a camera crew, police waiting to "spring the trap" when each suspect left the house, and so on. I think they only ever went out "on location" for one sting, and that was only because they'd literally busted the absolute bell-end the day before and he went straight home to arrange another meeting with another girl who also happened to be yet another decoy by the same sting operation (lol).

These vigilante types, on the other hand, cheerfully go out into public places (often as a group) to aggressively confront suspected pedophiles. They get right in their faces, call them names, threaten them with arrest and ruin, follow them if they try to leave the area, often times try to physically block or even detain them, and rarely "break off" if their target clearly warns them to leave him alone. Do that in America in some places and you're liable to end up staring down the barrel of a gun. Everywhere else you're risking an ass kicking. And either way, you'll generally find the cops unsympathetic because you just rolled up on some dude and started flexing on him. I've actually seen these vigilante groups post videos of confrontations that include police interactions at the end where the cops literally say "wait, so you're not law enforcement? WTF are you thinking acting like this? You could really get hurt!"

Since those confrontations practically never result in an arrest of a suspected nonce, they just go home knowing that people are watching and they've likely informed the police, so the nonce knows to go "under the radar" again for awhile so potential investigators lose interest and move on. If these vigilantes would just gather chats, emails, photos and videos sent by the suspect and then turn that in to police, actual law enforcement could then actually start watching the guy for awhile as he operates without him knowing he's being monitored. Direct confrontations just make the nonces harder to catch.

Productions like TCaP did their homework (at least after the first special aired) and contacted law enforcement agencies well in advance of setting up those stings. They collaborated with police departments to run the stings in a way that (usually) gathered enough reliable evidence to get convictions. They also made sure that host Chris Hansen always made it clear when he confronted each target that he wasn't a police officer or any kind of law enforcement official, and made it equally clear they were free to leave at any time. He never threatened violence or arrest, and never assumed any threatening posture (or even raised his voice, except for a few times when he couldn't help but sound incredulous at some ridiculous excuse someone gave him during the confrontation). And nobody in the production ever physically blocked someone from leaving. They also never performed a direct hand-off to police; they always just showed the target the exit, and had the cops waiting around the corner or in the garage or whatever. They cooperated with police, but they didn't get involved in making arrests.

If you've seen all the shows they aired, you'll notice that after the first couple of stings they ran, the group they worked with ("Perverted Justice," I think) started asking their targets to bring specific items with them to the in-person meetings they arranged. Condoms, of course, but also something like a pizza or a plushie or a "present" or a specific type or brand of beer/alcohol. If the target showed up without those things, they could usually still get a conviction, but if the target did bring those specific items, it served a dual purpose -- it proved the person who showed up was the same person who participated in the chats, and it showed intent. It's pretty hard to explain why you'd just randomly show up at some 13-year-old girl's house with a plushie and a box of condoms in your pocket unless you were chasing some underage booty.

Even with all that preparation and care (I personally think they did a genuinely good job, actually tried their best to get it right and weren't just chasing ratings), there were plenty of instances where men caught in those TCaP stings either didn't get prosecuted at all or ended up being acquitted. It was almost always because of entrapment arguments or disputes about the reliability (and admissibility) of gathered evidence. And in a few cases I think the DAs just decided it wasn't worth prosecuting because there wasn't an actual victim.

So even with all that credibility, they don't always get convictions despite clear guilt. And private stings can't get anywhere close to that level of credibility.
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To add on to this, To Catch A Predator didn't get anyone arrested until they partnered up with the police. The first season didn't have the police, and the only real repercussions the creeps faced was pretty much just public humiliation on national TV.
 
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That's nearly 75 percent of the community you will never run out especially since of these nasty fuckers will just reoffend after they get out. EDP going to jail now
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I used to sympathize with him to some extent. I've been a fresh 18 and had 16 year old girls messaging me. I've been in my twenties and had girls who didn't look the age their said they were messaging me. It can be hard to say no, but even I learned that you just have to outright block these people as soon as they say hi. But when you're 30 something year old man who is messaging a girl who you know is supposed to be 13 there is not much room for a grey area there.

I can't wait till if he has to go to court and they play the video where his defense was basically "She had big titties and they made me horny".
 
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moocow said:
Not him (mad respect though ♥), but in a lot of jurisdictions "citizen investigations" carry a lot less weight in court than police investigations do. It's one thing for a parent to capture chat logs and record physical confrontations with some creep who actually is grooming a real kid and then turn that over to the police (that's easier to prosecute since there's a real victim -- and legal guardians -- who can give sworn testimony), but it's quite another to just run a private sting and then turn over the evidence to the police.

Private stings are less reliable because there's no guarantee the suspect's rights weren't violated or that entrapment didn't occur (by that jurisdiction's laws, not the layman's interpretation of the term), there's no reliable "chain of custody" for any evidence obtained, and often in a court's eyes, all of the evidence gathered is basically just hearsay (even chat logs, phone and video recordings, etc.) because no "official" law enforcement was involved in collecting it. That is to say, the suspect wasn't IM'ing a police officer acting as a decoy, talking dirty and sending naughty pictures. Chat logs are trivial to fake (they're just text) and a private citizen's word that "these are totes legit" often isn't good enough.

The other big problem with private stings is they're fucking dangerous. Big-budget investigations like To Catch a Predator lured suspects to a controlled environment that was carefully set up to keep everyone involved safe. Lots of physical security hiding in rooms with low lighting, hidden cameras everywhere, a non-aggressive and non-threatening confrontation that quickly ended in the suspect being surrounded by a camera crew, police waiting to "spring the trap" when each suspect left the house, and so on. I think they only ever went out "on location" for one sting, and that was only because they'd literally busted the absolute bell-end the day before and he went straight home to arrange another meeting with another girl who also happened to be yet another decoy by the same sting operation (lol).

These vigilante types, on the other hand, cheerfully go out into public places (often as a group) to aggressively confront suspected pedophiles. They get right in their faces, call them names, threaten them with arrest and ruin, follow them if they try to leave the area, often times try to physically block or even detain them, and rarely "break off" if their target clearly warns them to leave him alone. Do that in America in some places and you're liable to end up staring down the barrel of a gun. Everywhere else you're risking an ass kicking. And either way, you'll generally find the cops unsympathetic because you just rolled up on some dude and started flexing on him. I've actually seen these vigilante groups post videos of confrontations that include police interactions at the end where the cops literally say "wait, so you're not law enforcement? WTF are you thinking acting like this? You could really get hurt!"

Since those confrontations practically never result in an arrest of a suspected nonce, they just go home knowing that people are watching and they've likely informed the police, so the nonce knows to go "under the radar" again for awhile so potential investigators lose interest and move on. If these vigilantes would just gather chats, emails, photos and videos sent by the suspect and then turn that in to police, actual law enforcement could then actually start watching the guy for awhile as he operates without him knowing he's being monitored. Direct confrontations just make the nonces harder to catch.

Productions like TCaP did their homework (at least after the first special aired) and contacted law enforcement agencies well in advance of setting up those stings. They collaborated with police departments to run the stings in a way that (usually) gathered enough reliable evidence to get convictions. They also made sure that host Chris Hansen always made it clear when he confronted each target that he wasn't a police officer or any kind of law enforcement official, and made it equally clear they were free to leave at any time. He never threatened violence or arrest, and never assumed any threatening posture (or even raised his voice, except for a few times when he couldn't help but sound incredulous at some ridiculous excuse someone gave him during the confrontation). And nobody in the production ever physically blocked someone from leaving. They also never performed a direct hand-off to police; they always just showed the target the exit, and had the cops waiting around the corner or in the garage or whatever. They cooperated with police, but they didn't get involved in making arrests.

If you've seen all the shows they aired, you'll notice that after the first couple of stings they ran, the group they worked with ("Perverted Justice," I think) started asking their targets to bring specific items with them to the in-person meetings they arranged. Condoms, of course, but also something like a pizza or a plushie or a "present" or a specific type or brand of beer/alcohol. If the target showed up without those things, they could usually still get a conviction, but if the target did bring those specific items, it served a dual purpose -- it proved the person who showed up was the same person who participated in the chats, and it showed intent. It's pretty hard to explain why you'd just randomly show up at some 13-year-old girl's house with a plushie and a box of condoms in your pocket unless you were chasing some underage booty.

Even with all that preparation and care (I personally think they did a genuinely good job, actually tried their best to get it right and weren't just chasing ratings), there were plenty of instances where men caught in those TCaP stings either didn't get prosecuted at all or ended up being acquitted. It was almost always because of entrapment arguments or disputes about the reliability (and admissibility) of gathered evidence. And in a few cases I think the DAs just decided it wasn't worth prosecuting because there wasn't an actual victim.

So even with all that credibility, they don't always get convictions despite clear guilt. And private stings can't get anywhere close to that level of credibility.
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TL;DR EDP has a somewhat favorable chance of getting off free for this, despite this being his second round with it

I wonder what his response will be
 
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Gar For Archer said:
To add on to this, To Catch A Predator didn't get anyone arrested until they partnered up with the police. The first season didn't have the police, and the only real repercussions the creeps faced was pretty much just public humiliation on national TV.
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Truth. I don't think they even tried to have people prosecuted at all until they started directly collaborating with police and had them present to make arrests. They're the only ones I know of who honestly tried to do it right.

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TL;DR EDP has a somewhat favorable chance of getting off free for this, despite this being his second round with it
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Frustrating, but likely. These vigilante stings don't usually have a happy ending.

I'm genuinely surprised there aren't more videos of suspected nonces beating the shit out of "enthusiastic" pedo-chasers or news articles about innocent people suing vigilantes for false accusations (or even truthful ones that they can't actually prove). We've all seen how false accusations of sexual harassment from adults can devastate a man's life and end careers. False pedophilia accusations can get people fucking killed.
 
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