Disaster All LA Skid Row Homeless Must Be Offered Housing By October, Federal Judge Orders - Weaponization of the lumpenproletariat against society continues...

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter set a timetable by which single women and unaccompanied children must be offered placement within three months, families must be given shelter within four months, and every indigent person on Skid Row would be given the opportunity to come off the streets by Oct. 18.​

Fed up by what he considers government inaction, bureaucratic paralysis and a lack of accountability, a federal judge Tuesday suddenly ordered the city and county of Los Angeles to offer housing to the entire homeless population of downtown's Skid Row by October.

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter set a timetable by which single women and unaccompanied children must be offered placement within three months, families must be given shelter within four months, and every indigent person on Skid Row would be given the opportunity to come off the streets by Oct. 18.

Mayor Eric Garcetti called the timetable "unprecedented" in terms of speed.

"I want to read (the order) and understand how (the judge) would envision that happening, where the rooms, the real estate etc. (are)," Garcetti said. "I've had great conversations with the judge. Obviously that would be an unprecedented pace, not just for Los Angeles but for any place I've ever seen for homelessness in America. And I want to be as bold and as ambitious as him, but like I said, I think many of us feel it's not just about getting people into shelter, it's getting people into homes."

The groundbreaking 110-page order comes in response to a request for immediate court intervention submitted last week by the plaintiffs in a year-old federal lawsuit seeking to compel the city and county to quickly and effectively deal with the homelessness crisis.

Skid Row is a spread-out 50-block warren of downtown streets containing one of the largest populations of indigent people in the nation.

Skip Miller, outside counsel for the county, said Carter's order "goes well beyond what the plaintiffs have asked for.'' He added that the county was evaluating its options, including the possibility of an appeal to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

The judge wrote that the city and county of Los Angeles "created a legacy of entrenched structural racism,'' leaving Black people -- and especially Black women -- "effectively abandoned on the streets. Such governmental inertia has affected not only Black Angelenos, not only homeless Angelenos, but all Angelenos -- of every race, gender identity, and social class."

The judge said that virtually "every citizen of Los Angeles has borne the impacts of the city and county's continued failure to meaningfully confront the crisis of homelessness. The time has come to redress these wrongs and finish another measure of our nation's unfinished work."

Quoting Heidi Marston, director of the L.A. Homeless Services Authority, the judge wrote that "homelessness is a byproduct of racism."

In colorful language that takes in the Civil War and the Bruce's Beach case of forced displacement of Blacks in Manhattan Beach, Carter traced the start of the crisis downtown to the 1920s, when the city created the Municipal Service Bureau for Homeless Men in Skid Row to assist men by connecting them with philanthropic organizations that provided food and lodging.

However, "aid from such organizations was distributed selectively along racial lines," the judge found, adding that Los Angeles' highway infrastructure was "built as and remains a driver of racial inequality" by helping to displace and segregate non-white communities.

Near Skid Row now "are thriving neighborhoods -- namely the Arts District and Little Tokyo District. As these districts edge closer to the boundaries of containment, police presence within Skid Row grows stronger," the judge wrote.

Carter's housing order rejects city and county arguments that federal court intervention would improperly usurp the role of local government and upend longstanding programs already dealing with the crisis.

The motion was filed by the L.A. Alliance for Human Rights, a coalition of downtown business owners and residents that originally brought the lawsuit in March 2020. City and county attorneys strongly objected, arguing in court papers that the L.A. Alliance's "extraordinary" attempt to invoke the power of the court is "overbroad and unmanageable," lacks legal standing and would "improperly usurp the role of local government and its elected officials."

Elizabeth Mitchell, an attorney for L.A. Alliance, said the organization is "thrilled'' with Carter's order, which "takes the first step toward actually solving the homelessness crisis in Los Angeles."

She said that city and county leaders have repeatedly called for a FEMA-like response -- and "the judge is holding them to their word."

"He's also demanded accountability in the billions of dollars that are supposed to be used to house the unhoused -- who actually aren't being housed at all," she said. "The judge has recognized the fact of which nearly every citizen in Los Angeles is already acutely aware: that the status quo isn't working and cannot be allowed to continue. This order gives us hope that the solutions will finally start outpacing the problems."

In his order, Carter blasted Garcetti, who recently promised to spend nearly $1 billion on initiatives for addressing homelessness and other issues including sidewalk vending and arts activities. Instead, the judge ordered that the $1 billion "will be placed in escrow forthwith, with funding streams accounted for and reported to the court within seven days."

Carter wrote that despite the power to declare the homelessness crisis an emergency -- which would allow the city to "bypass the bureaucracy and eliminate the inefficiencies that currently stifle progress" -- Garcetti "has not employed the emergency powers given to him by the City Charter despite overwhelming evidence that the magnitude of the homelessness crisis is `beyond the control of the normal services' of the city government."

In his conclusion, Carter said that for all the governmental "declarations of success that we are fed, citizens themselves see the heartbreaking misery of the homeless and the degradation of their city and county. Los Angeles has lost its parks, beaches, schools, sidewalks and highway systems due to the inaction of city and county officials who have left our homeless citizens with no other place to turn.''

All of the "rhetoric, promises, plans and budgeting cannot obscure the shameful reality of this crisis -- that year after year, there are more homeless Angelenos, and year after year, more homeless Angelenos die on the streets,'' Carter wrote.

County official believe there are several thousand persons currently living on Skid Row streets. According to the Homeless Services Authority, 1,441 people in the area were temporarily housed last year.

L.A. Alliance lawyers have written that Skid Row is a "catastrophe created by the city and county'' in which the city adopted a policy of "physical containment'' whereby the poor, disabled and mentally ill would be "contained'' inside the delineated borders of Skid Row.

Over the past year, with federal courthouses closed or not fully operational due to the coronavirus pandemic, Carter has held emergency hearings in such locations as Los Angeles City Hall and a women's shelter in Skid Row.

"Undoubtedly, both the city and county will feel that such an order is diminishing their powers,'' the L.A. Alliance said in a statement when it signaled it would seek a preliminary injunction. "Yet, in the absence of a consensual agreement by the parties, court intervention becomes necessary."

The L.A. Alliance said that after numerous settlement conferences and discussions, "it is clear that the local governments are unable/unwilling to address the problem adequately. The courts must take a more active role."

Nine days after the lawsuit was filed last year, the parties suspended litigation with the intent to explore a settlement "and set the stage for a comprehensive solution in the city and county of L.A.," the plaintiffs stated.

Proposed solutions became bogged down in bureaucratic snarls between the city and county, prompting Carter to consider how he might deploy the power of the federal court to speed up efforts to get city sidewalks cleared and place homeless people into housing.


If I were mayor of Los Angeles, I would begin immediate eminent domain proceedings against the judge, his neighbors, the lawyers for the plaintiff, and their neighbors, for conversion into housing for the homeless.

But then, I am a spiteful man.
 
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You should hear the stories that come out of Section 8 housing. Horrors like you've never seen. They will just straight up take a shit on the floor, they don't care. If they're walking to their apartment and they have to piss, they'll whip it out and piss right in the hallway. I wish this was a joke. You can give them housing but they'll turn it into a disaster zone immediately.

Honestly though, this is nothing new. I'll spoiler what I'm about to say as to not interrupt threadflow here.

When I left the Navy in 1979, I went to work as a Field Engineer installing and servicing computer systems in DC, Baltimore and surrounding areas. Most clients were upscale at the time - banks, police, utilities, data processing centers and govt. agencies. One govt. agency was some derivative of HUD providing social services, Section 8 housing, welfare, etc. in DC. The dispatcher paged me (old I know, cell phones weren't a thing yet). I called in and got the address and the service call for a remote terminal that was down and drove there. It was in the projects, deep in DC ghetto wonderland. For the record, I was a big ol' white boy and never had an issue in the ghettos. Everyone thought I was either A) a cop, or B) crazy and would steer clear of me on the street.

I grabbed my toolkit and entered the building. The first thing that hit me was the stench, urinal piss/shit stench tempered with rotted garbage everywhere. Passed out bodies in the hallway, needles galore. The place itself was deteriorated so badly, ceiling caving in, paint peeling off the walls, graffiti everywhere. I make it through this mess on the first floor and find nothing and ask myself what in the hell am I doing here? There ain't a computer within miles of this shithole. Quickly exit and go outside, find a payphone and call my boss.

Uh, this call you sent me on? WTF? Is this some kind of rookie joke? The only thing in that building is piss, garbage everywhere and passed out junkies lining the hallway. He tells me to go back, kick the junkies and garbage out of the way, and find the stairs down to the basement. WTFFFFF? He said in the basement there is a small office at the end of the hallway and it's a social services office; that's where the computer is.

Okay, so I go back, eventually find the basement (worse than the 1st floor) and sure enough there is a locked office at the end of the hall. I pound on the door and a black gal opens it. I'm here to fix the computer, she points over there and I go at it. She and I chat a bit and I told her I can't believe you actually work here. She just smiles and tells me this is one of the better buildings, the ones across the street and around the block are even worse, but people gotta live somewhere. Don't think I ever made a service call faster than that one. In and out in record time.

Point to this spoiler being - sure you can give these homeless peeps a place to live. But ghetto is as ghetto does, so don't be surprised when the whole place quickly turns to shit (quite literally).
 
" I had to get out of California, all the homeless people started moving in to my neighborhood. Yes i vote pure democrat, why do you ask?"
Did someone mention California?
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They've been having an honest to God typhoid outbreak there because of all the rats and filth.

 
Honestly though, this is nothing new. I'll spoiler what I'm about to say as to not interrupt threadflow here.

When I left the Navy in 1979, I went to work as a Field Engineer installing and servicing computer systems in DC, Baltimore and surrounding areas. Most clients were upscale at the time - banks, police, utilities, data processing centers and govt. agencies. One govt. agency was some derivative of HUD providing social services, Section 8 housing, welfare, etc. in DC. The dispatcher paged me (old I know, cell phones weren't a thing yet). I called in and got the address and the service call for a remote terminal that was down and drove there. It was in the projects, deep in DC ghetto wonderland. For the record, I was a big ol' white boy and never had an issue in the ghettos. Everyone thought I was either A) a cop, or B) crazy and would steer clear of me on the street.

I grabbed my toolkit and entered the building. The first thing that hit me was the stench, urinal piss/shit stench tempered with rotted garbage everywhere. Passed out bodies in the hallway, needles galore. The place itself was deteriorated so badly, ceiling caving in, paint peeling off the walls, graffiti everywhere. I make it through this mess on the first floor and find nothing and ask myself what in the hell am I doing here? There ain't a computer within miles of this shithole. Quickly exit and go outside, find a payphone and call my boss.

Uh, this call you sent me on? WTF? Is this some kind of rookie joke? The only thing in that building is piss, garbage everywhere and passed out junkies lining the hallway. He tells me to go back, kick the junkies and garbage out of the way, and find the stairs down to the basement. WTFFFFF? He said in the basement there is a small office at the end of the hallway and it's a social services office; that's where the computer is.

Okay, so I go back, eventually find the basement (worse than the 1st floor) and sure enough there is a locked office at the end of the hall. I pound on the door and a black gal opens it. I'm here to fix the computer, she points over there and I go at it. She and I chat a bit and I told her I can't believe you actually work here. She just smiles and tells me this is one of the better buildings, the ones across the street and around the block are even worse, but people gotta live somewhere. Don't think I ever made a service call faster than that one. In and out in record time.

Point to this spoiler being - sure you can give these homeless peeps a place to live. But ghetto is as ghetto does, so don't be surprised when the whole place quickly turns to shit (quite literally).
A maintenance guy I knew worked on building section 8 houses at one point. when they were finishing building a new complex he was doing the little things to make sure everything looked nice, his boss told him not to bother. He was a bit of a perfectionist and these new apartments were nicer than what he lived in, so he was a bit offended by that and his boss told him to do a maintenance call in a month.

He did one and was shocked. Hallways smelled of piss, everything in the common areas was destroyed. The call he was answering was a blocked up toilet. Turned out the family had put disposable diapers down the toilet until the entire line was completely blocked. And once the toilet was blocked they started smearing shit directly on the wall.

Apparently they would build a new section 8 housing every 5 years, move people to it, tear down the old one, and build a new identical one to be ready to move the people back into after they destroyed the new one.
 
Finland did it rather successfully, but they also offer some counseling.

And the problem was much smaller there to begin with.

If Finland is anything like Scandinavian countries, social shame is a big motivator not to inconvenience others. The Finnish winters are also a strong disincentive to be on the street.

On the one hand, I like living in a country where I feel free to tell some judgmental asshole to fuck off. (Even based Danes can be really cold and uptight.)
But, on the other hand, that attitude also increases the number of low-lifes who can't be shamed into getting their shit together.

I thought the same thing. What if what you're demanding is materially impossible?

The courts will fine LA if they don't meet the deadline, and they won't, so that'll be more money down the drain for a problem seemingly no one wants to solve.
 
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If Finland is anything like Scandinavian countries, social shame is a big motivator not to inconvenience others. The Finnish winters are also a strong disincentive to be on the street.

On the one hand, I like living in a country where I feel free to tell some judgmental asshole to fuck off. (Even based Danes can be really cold and uptight.)
But, on the other hand, that attitude also increases the number of low-lifes who can't be shamed into getting their shit together.



The courts will fine LA if they don't meet the deadline, and they won't, so that'll be more money down the drain for a problem seemingly no one wants to solve.

Things that work in Finland won't work in Democrat US areas for a number of reasons, namely culture and ethnic makeup
 
I have profited mightily from the virus (and hopefully some new "desert expeditions") and I want to give back to my community, I'm going to walk around downtown handing out greyhound tickets I think.

 
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What possible legal justification is there for this judgment? I'm spinning my wheels here.
 
By FEMA-like response, do they mean the Grey Death? Bodies in the schools and the churches?
 
A lot of homeless people ended up that way due to substance abuse, mental illness, or a combination of both. Offering them a free section 8 apartment is just a band aid. It does nothing to address the behavior that caused their homelessness in first place and most if them will be back out on the streets within a year.
The way Utah ended homelessness was offering the homeless a free apartment - on the condition they would receive help from a social worker. A lot of them became a lot more stable when the state gave them apartments and housing along with the capacity and support to change. Of course, they made sure the homeless wouldn't be the type to smear shit over the walls or those so far gone they couldn't take care of themselves.

The problem with Skid Row is that its been a shithole for years and is actually designed to suck up all of LA's homeless. All the homeless services are down there. There's a great doc on Netflix 'Crime Scene' or something that discusses the girl who went in the elevator and disappeared (as usual the internet sleuths are useless, obsessive, mentally damaged and harass the wrong person. I'd recommend fast forwarding through the internet parts). It gives a pretty decent example of what Skid Row is and how it became that way and just how hard its going to be to clean up.

Basically its like a no-go zone for cops almost since they get so many calls. Its basically described as an open air drug market. So I don't really think you're going to solve the homelessness problem all that quick.
 
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