Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Derka Derka]

The authoritarian face of democracy ...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/23/perth-to-enter-snap-three-day-lockdown-after-covid-spreads-from-hotel-quarantine-into-community

Perth and Peel will enter a snap three-day lockdown from midnight Friday after a Victorian man, who tested positive to Covid-19, spent five days in the community while infectious after leaving hotel quarantine.

The Western Australian premier, Mark McGowan, announced the lockdown – which will remain in place until midnight Monday – after a close contact of the Victorian man also tested positive.

McGowan said he had to do what was needed to quash the outbreak.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Medicine is aware of this right now. The motto of all health training, research, and care right now are "polypharmacy is bad, and you should lose that weight before you're 40." Vaccines are not a feature of that concern, though, because unlike cardiovascular drugs, insulin, etc., the drawbacks are nil. Vaccines are an acceptable alternative to natural selection and are very low on the totem pole of things to do away with (right after "the disease it treats") much to the chagrin of paranoid delusionals.
Everyone in general should be opposed to the degree of FDA stricture on new treatments and experimentation, by the way. That's why "non vaccine related solutions" never make it to market or get public distribution- not some invisible hand smothering brave souls just trying to help. Ivermectin has had multiple relatively successful trials for COVID months and months ago, for example, but people are dosing themselves with fucking horse pills because no one's allowed to manufacture it for this new evidence-based indication without approval.
So far as Florida, it did perform worse than states, as one might expect. It never had conditions that would cause a coof induced apocalypse, though, and I don't know who thought it would.

Yes, the philosophies practiced by DO schools are being adopted by MD schools as well, but we are not seeing that manifest by current practitioners as much, especially in regards to the coof. Youtube/Google have been actively suppressing any mention of the coof. Even tech news channels like Level1Techs had to avoid mentioning it to keep their channel monetized. That being said actual brave health practitioners like Peter McCullough did testify to the Texas senate his covid home help videos were taken down by Youtube. Vaccines are great when they work and have been proven, but that does not seem to be the case with the ones for the coof and the deranged fanaticism behind it is suspect to say the least.

I'd say Florida sacrificed the least in terms of social and mental health for a negligible hit on coof related performance. I mentioned the coof induced apocalypse as hyperbole as many people I know in California continue and insist on using masks (outside even) and will go neurotic if you don't comply. The absence of mask use and subsequent mass deaths in Florida directly contradicts their doomering.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

I'm still waiting on an explanation as to why Florida, South Dakota, and Texas, the states that have opened back up and are running pretty much as normal, haven't become post apocalyptic hell scapes and why the strictest lockdown states California, New York, and Michigan, look like John Carpenter movies.

Also, can anyone please explain to me what the point of staying alive is when the government is making life so miserable?

Finally, I think it is important to remember that it was not COVID that destroyed the economy and ruined lives. It was the Government. These things happened because of decisions made by our elected officials. Never forget that.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

I have nothing to explain to you if you assume you already have the answers. You've already cited two facts to me that aren't facts, and made baldfaced assumptions that the "devestation" was based on those non-facts. It's inherently dishonest.
Yes, if the dramatic response to COVID was based on a disease with a mortality rate of 0.05% that was 20% more deadly than the flu, it would be a very confusing world indeed!

Already better than Product Placement lmao

 

[Autopsy]

Yes, the philosophies practiced by DO schools are being adopted by MD schools as well, but we are not seeing that manifest by current practitioners as much, especially in regards to the coof. Youtube/Google have been actively suppressing any mention of the coof. Even tech news channels like Level1Techs had to avoid mentioning it to keep their channel monetized. That being said actual brave health practitioners like Peter McCullough did testify to the Texas senate his covid home help videos were taken down by Youtube. Vaccines are great when they work and have been proven, but that does not seem to be the case with the ones for the coof and the deranged fanaticism behind it is suspect to say the least.

I'd say Florida sacrificed the least in terms of social and mental health for a negligible hit on coof related performance. I mentioned the coof induced apocalypse as hyperbole as many people I know in California continue and insist on using masks (outside even) and will go neurotic if you don't comply. The absence of mask use and subsequent mass deaths in Florida directly contradicts their doomering.

Youtube/Google aren't healthcare and I have no love for either. Most of the trouble comes when you lie about what COVID is or isn't though, and people who are informed and trying to share factual information have been caught in that net. Hydroxychloroquine is to blame for a lot of this, because it's by far the shittiest and distracted everyone from all the others that were being.
So far as vaccines go, why do you say it doesn't seem to be the case that these vaccines have been proven? Honestly genuinely, I think this is the biggest fuckup of this whole thing, the idea that they're untested, expedited beyond belief, etc. is untrue. The vaccines were ready by April. The reason they didn't go out in April is because they had to sit through phase 3's before even starting manufacturing runs, and none of the vaccine tech (for Pfizer/Moderna, the ones approved first) is actually new.
The reason the vaccines got out fast after that is because the FDA didn't waste 2+ years filing paperwork. That's literally it. I would expect right-wingers/conservatives/libertarians/anyone concerned with regulatory burden to take the stance that this is the final nail in the coffin on how the government ruined healthcare, but instead it has been taken as a sign that the system is... too fast? It's like I fell onto another planet. Never before have I seen so many appeals to authority from people I interact with regularly and know for a fact hate authority. Worse, it seems to be almost entirely in favor of legacy practices and hostile to the idea that the market is clearly solving the rona better than the government did. In any other political climate, the drug companies would be celebrated as a beacon of US free market power in healthcare like NASA is a beacon of private aeronautics and commercial space development. The US beat every country on the planet to the punch on vaccination and vaccine production, EVEN WITH the FDA weighing it down. China/Russia shat out VV vaccines with little to no testing and poor efficacy and were still slower than Pfizer/Moderna/JnJ/AZ.

On Florida: I addressed that in another response and I agree on the social/mental health point. I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a discussion on whether that was worth it, so long as everyone agrees Florida didn't somehow magically outperform places that took effective measures to prevent coof spread by the power of BASED and FREEDOM. Personally, I've always been an advocate for SK's basically no lockdown, mass testing approach, and as I watched the tsunami over the horizon in January I wasn't mad about how no one wanted to shut it down, I was mad that the FDA was stonewalling means of mass testing based on proven tech because they just weren't sure yet. The same tests were authorized nearly half a year later with zero modifications. People had to sit through nasal swabbings for months for no good reason and even that took ages to get out.

 

[Autopsy]

Above all, do not inquire about therapies like ivermectin and HQC, even though those have been proven safe on the market for decades it is absolute hysteria to consider treating this NOVEL!!!!! virus with them when we have new rushed through drugs that give much better profits, oops, I mean outcomes.

I already advocated Ivermectin in this thread, friend. I'm sure you're actually reading my posts and not just frothing at the mouth because you hate the idea of a conversation more complex than "we good, he bad," though.

 

[knobslobbin]

I already advocated Ivermectin in this thread, friend. I'm sure you're actually reading my posts and not just frothing at the mouth because you hate the idea of a conversation more complex than "we good, he bad," though.

My post was in regard to all the trolls in this thread, not you specifically. You make up only the most recent addition friend.

Perhaps you can imagine why so many people, especially the ones in this thread, no longer have any trust left for our venerated institutions given the satirical examples in my last post are just the tip of the iceberg of the lies and deceit they are attempting to pass off as decisions made from data-driven science™

edit: translation with less sarcasm - read the room bro. Your appeals to authority are having the opposite effect because we are beyond jaded. And rightfully so. Assuming you really want to convince ppl to get the vaxx or whatever your agenda is.

 

[Autopsy]

My post was in regard to all the trolls in this thread, not you specifically. You make up only the most recent addition friend.

Perhaps you can imagine why so many people, especially the ones in this thread, no longer have any trust left for our venerated institutions given the satirical examples in my last post are just the tip of the iceberg of the lies and deceit they are attempting to pass off as decisions made from data-driven science™

The satirical examples in your last post, I'm just pointing out that if you're going to claim

Look guys, the Troll says we should trust the experts.

you should probably start with either where "the Troll" said that, and maybe omit the strawmen that directly contradict the idea I'm "trolling."
Your post gave me little to think about because it isn't designed to make me, or anyone, think. It's platitudes that sound like something someone might say, devoid of the factual basis they'd be saying them with, because you either don't understand it or refuse to humor it because you'd be temporarily embarrassed. You couldn't explain to me any of the arguments you strawmanned in an eloquent way, I can almost guarantee it. Stop and think about that, really, could you even do it? If not, that's not a place to start calling other people "trolls."
None of the people mashing dislikes on my posts without realizing I'm advocating for things like ivermectin, castigating the performance of the government to date, and saying weaker restrictions make sense, things they probably actually agree with, get it either. There's so much vehement anti-science in the rona cult of noncompliance that at some point people forgot "the science" could agree with them, if only they stopped saying stupid shit and peddling hilariously improbably conspiracy theories where incompetence or changing circumstances better apply. If you double down on a stupid idea things only get dumber though, which might explain why so many people have fallen into the antivax bandwagon with actual schizophrenics when they could have just stepped back and said "well, what does this do for me?"
That's why I'm here to harvest them dislikes though, at least for a wee bit. Gotta keep things honest.

Edit:

edit: translation with less sarcasm - read the room bro. Your appeals to authority are having the opposite effect because we are beyond jaded. And rightfully so. Assuming you really want to convince ppl to get the vaxx or whatever your agenda is.

This is the first shot you've taken at actual conversation, congratulations. Step two is pointing out where I appealed to authority and taking me to task for it so I can defend myself or clarify what I meant. You haven't done so and it wasn't your first instinct, because you are not jaded, you're defensive. Doubling down.
My take on "appeals to authority" in this case is that I'm appealing to the thousands of professionals who helped this process. Claiming every single doctor, clinical investigator, IRB director and oversight faculty, the families of participants, the millions of people happy and healthy after vaccination, so on and so on, is just conspiring to pretend the vaccines are safe, and that every single ICU worker is just lying about all the corpses, and every single hospital administration is just making up fatality numbers, with not a single authentic whistleblower, is abominable. It isn't worth humoring, to me. Sorry.

 

[Terrifik]

 

[knobslobbin]

The satirical examples in your last post, I'm just pointing out that if you're going to claim

you should probably start with either where "the Troll" said that, and maybe omit the strawmen that directly contradict the idea I'm "trolling."
<further rambling bullshit redacted>

Edit:

This is the first shot you've taken at actual conversation, congratulations. Step two is pointing out where I appealed to authority and taking me to task for it so I can defend myself or clarify what I meant. You haven't done so and it wasn't your first instinct, ... <good lord this fucker loves the sound of its own voice>

lol you're a terrible troll, get better! Are you new or something?

You sound like a high school athiest at xirs first debate club meeting. Well actually guys, point of order, uhm like <insert logical phallacy>

hehe phallacy

Anyway get bent troll.

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan can you help this guy out? We're bored in here and this one is the lamest one yet.

 

[Autopsy]

lol you're a terrible troll, get better! Are you new or something?

You sound like a high school athiest at xirs first debate club meeting. Well actually guys, point of order, uhm like <insert logical phallacy>

hehe phallacy

Anyway get bent troll.

I'm glad you've stopped pretending to not be retarded already, it only took a single post.
Edit: Also, leave in the parts where I insult you twice for acting like you're trying to have an hawnest convursashun about how the authorities are trying to kill everyone with free vaccines while also refusing to address me individually or anything I've said. Don't think I didn't notice that's where you cut off my post for "rambling."
Anything less than that is Assblast USA

 

[clusterfuckk]

Why the fack are all the Branch Covidian‘s slinking their beta cuck asses to this thread? Isn’t Reddit missing some tards?

 

[Lichen Bark]

Graceful apologies for stepping into tardhaven, but there's already decent evidence that getting COVID gives you fewer months of immunity than a two-shot vaccination does (as expected), which is why at least a single shot as a booster to the immune response you mounted while infected has been recommended. If you have had COVID and you are in a vulnerable population, it's still worth it to at least get a single shot, as single shot booster treatment becomes available.

More on the topic of "social responsibility," the goal is to slow the spread in general, and it's hard to do that if retarded college kids pass it around between themselves indefinitely. The pooch was screwed harder than a white girl's Maltese the moment it got into the US, and again when the feds didn't bother to shut down state borders, but there's still some hope of limiting COVID's existence entirely in rural & outlying areas by way of vaccination. That's a narrative war, and it's one being lost to screeching paranoia. We are unlikely to ever contain and eliminate COVID in the way that we eliminated Smallpox, because at some point some asshole decided "not wanting to get vaccinated" was a personality.
Aside from that, boosters are already being developed already for new strains, enough sensible people are being vaccinated, and ICU bed occupancy has mostly recovered from the highs of last year and earlier this year (down to 6% COVID occupancy from avg 30-40% in February pre vaccination wave), so we're at a point where the most vulnerable are nearly safe, and the general population playing their luck can enjoy the consequences (or lack thereof) without fucking over everyone else.
I feel for the people in the backwoods getting fucked by the situation, and for the asthmatic immunocompromised boomers who got taken in by whinging and conspiracy theories and will be dying in hospital beds for decades to come, but the mass doom and gloom markers have IMO entirely passed by. A lot of healthcare providers and experts are still so anxious with how close things came to the brink despite initially downplaying the disease that they're in full panic mode, and I'm not sure that's the right call, either.

Here's my rambling for today, it's not really against you, it's just generally how I have felt over the last year and a bit.

TL;DR my trust in the leadership of the country has been eroded over the past 6 years, and now it has caused me to distrust what they say. Genuinely trying to figure out what would repair this.

Spoiler: My "essay"

I think you are missing a few things about this "tard haven", funposting aside, a lot of people in the thread are tired of a few things not just COVID. Namely the media, the government, and the extreme political polarization of the country. You won't have a united response to a threat if you make it left/right. It starts to become difficult to separate what is narrative, from what is genuine information. It's going to be really hard to convince people of anything if you spent the last 4-5 years screeching about how a certain person leading the country is literally hitler. Im going to have a really tough time listening to people's advice if the, for instance, they said that the rioting last summer was perfectly safe and ok, but I cant visit my dying relative in the hospital. I don't forget how the politicians dodged quarantine, shirked the "rules". I don't forget about the political theatre about hugging Chinese people, or shutting air travel down (to late) was akin to being a racist. If you spend the last 4-6 years eroding peoples trust for politics (trust in the countries "leaders"), it is going to have a very real effect on how the country responds to a real crisis, it's going to have a negative effect on any public policy they present.

People here in the thread are just "fear porn" fatigued and we will just start ignoring more "risks" as time goes on. I think @Jet Fuel Johnny mentioned this many pages ago, and I agree with that. You can get used to anything, and people are just tired and aren't afraid anymore.

It's also really hard for me to feel "social responsibility" to my fellow citizens if 70% are overweight and obese, which is always putting a huge strain on our healthcare system, so when they media comes at me with "have compassion!" I can only think of the huge number that don't as they shovel endless quantities of food into their pieholes. Imagine what we could do with healthcare if so much money wasn't wasted treating preventable obesity? Maybe we could even have a proper national PPE supply?

I have been sitting here thinking of a way, that would help me come around and see things differently, but the solutions I think of make me chuckle because there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that any of them would be really feasible in todays world on on a countrywide scale. I'm tired of listening to politicians, and others politically motivated, im tired of information with a "spin". I think all major media corporations should be banned from talking about the disease, somehow I want the local physicians, GP's etc to find the time to address what their local communities should do. Which is laughable because its time and energy which they don't currently have, on top of actually looking after their patients. I think it would have been cool if America could have united against this thing at the start, but I know that was not possible as the large media corporations didn't want that to be the narrative (thanks comcast, thanks AT and T).

I think the trust erosion will get worse as time goes on, which will only have bad consequences.

A lot of healthcare providers and experts are still so anxious with how close things came to the brink

This has been bothering me over the last month, if you pay any attention to the hospital systems you'll know a large ageing demographic is now passing into a zone where they need more care etc. What has our health system done to prepare. Most places operate at like 90% capacity anyway, there is no surge capacity, there will never be surge capacity, ever. After covid passes we will go right back to the same shit, and forget we ever needed surge capacity.

If we somehow had on demand surge capacity, and people trained to staff it (the other issue), that would be cool, NOT fucking tents. But I don't know a way to keep a large facility empty and cheap for 20 years, and somehow staffed, but not staffed, in the event China decides to gift us with something more potent. The only thing I can think of is new military training, and staffing a facility with them. That way you could keep a skeleton maintenance crew keeping the lights on and the inventory fresh, but the military nurses wouldn't come until needed. That was you're not scrambling to add beds in a convention center.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Youtube/Google aren't healthcare and I have no love for either. Most of the trouble comes when you lie about what COVID is or isn't though, and people who are informed and trying to share factual information have been caught in that net. Hydroxychloroquine is to blame for a lot of this, because it's by far the shittiest and distracted everyone from all the others that were being.
So far as vaccines go, why do you say it doesn't seem to be the case that these vaccines have been proven? Honestly genuinely, I think this is the biggest fuckup of this whole thing, the idea that they're untested, expedited beyond belief, etc. is untrue. The vaccines were ready by April. The reason they didn't go out in April is because they had to sit through phase 3's before even starting manufacturing runs, and none of the vaccine tech (for Pfizer/Moderna, the ones approved first) is actually new.
The reason the vaccines got out fast after that is because the FDA didn't waste 2+ years filing paperwork. That's literally it. I would expect right-wingers/conservatives/libertarians/anyone concerned with regulatory burden to take the stance that this is the final nail in the coffin on how the government ruined healthcare, but instead it has been taken as a sign that the system is... too fast? It's like I fell onto another planet. Never before have I seen so many appeals to authority from people I interact with regularly and know for a fact hate authority. Worse, it seems to be almost entirely in favor of legacy practices and hostile to the idea that the market is clearly solving the rona better than the government did. In any other political climate, the drug companies would be celebrated as a beacon of US free market power in healthcare like NASA is a beacon of private aeronautics and commercial space development. The US beat every country on the planet to the punch on vaccination and vaccine production, EVEN WITH the FDA weighing it down. China/Russia shat out VV vaccines with little to no testing and poor efficacy and were still slower than Pfizer/Moderna/JnJ/AZ.

On Florida: I addressed that in another response and I agree on the social/mental health point. I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a discussion on whether that was worth it, so long as everyone agrees Florida didn't somehow magically outperform places that took effective measures to prevent coof spread by the power of BASED and FREEDOM. Personally, I've always been an advocate for SK's basically no lockdown, mass testing approach, and as I watched the tsunami over the horizon in January I wasn't mad about how no one wanted to shut it down, I was mad that the FDA was stonewalling means of mass testing based on proven tech because they just weren't sure yet. The same tests were authorized nearly half a year later with zero modifications. People had to sit through nasal swabbings for months for no good reason and even that took ages to get out.

Right, Google/Youtube and others are not your healthcare experts, yet they actively and selectively choose to silence those practitioners who provided actual tips on how to care for oneself during this virus. That's a big problem. I'd say the mainstream media is to blame, not the misuse of older drugs. I think if the higher ups actually wanted to help heal people of this disease, they would be open to and accept the widespread announcements of other self care tips provided by the likes of McCullough et al instead of pushing for only these new vaccines as the panacea.

The issue isn't that the market, albeit with massive help from the govt., pushed out vaccines very quickly. It's the massive political baggage behind the whole virus and subsequent vaccine fiasco like the TDS during the election and hypocrisy of BLM/antifa rioters being given exceptions by elected officials, and even some healthcare professionals, to the initial rules of masks and "social distancing." The icing on the cake is that the vaccines simply are unproven as it is the first time they are being administered to normal people en mass. It's analogous to the early adopters of the first model year of a car. The same people behind that hypocrisy then push for those vaccines, and continued masks + lockdowns despite new published studies showing the virus isn't really as bad as it was made out to be and that masks and lockdowns don't work.

 

[Autopsy]

Here's my rambling for today, it's not really against you, it's just generally how I have felt over the last year and a bit.

TL;DR my trust in the leadership of the country has been eroded over the past 6 years, and now it has caused me to distrust what they say. Genuinely trying to figure out what would repair this.

Spoiler: My "essay"

People here in the thread are just "fear porn" fatigued and we will just start ignoring more "risks" as time goes on. I think @Jet Fuel Johnny mentioned this many pages ago, and I agree with that. You can get used to anything, and people are just tired and aren't afraid anymore.

It's also really hard for me to feel "social responsibility" to my fellow citizens if 70% are overweight and obese, which is always putting a huge strain on our healthcare system, so when they media comes at me with "have compassion!" I can only think of the huge number that don't as they shovel endless quantities of food into their pieholes. Imagine what we could do with healthcare if so much money wasn't wasted treating preventable obesity? Maybe we could even have a proper national PPE supply?

This has been bothering me over the last month, if you pay any attention to the hospital systems you'll know a large ageing demographic is now passing into a zone where they need more care etc. What has our health system done to prepare.
If we somehow had on demand surge capacity, and people trained to staff it (the other issue), that would be cool, NOT fucking tents.

I have no disagreement with anything in your "rant," it's all pretty similar to how I feel about the general state of American healthcare and media interference. I've trimmed it to the parts I'll be addressing personally just for ease of reading.
From my perspective:

1. I distrust that statement as a general rule because people are fucking terrified, they're mortified that the vaccine is going to turn them into radioactive waste rodents with crippling myalgia and other batshit insane things. I agree that everyone's sick of hearing about rona's very real dangers and who they do and don't apply to, but my concern and what motivates me to even bother with threads like this is that I don't think you have to somehow swing the other way.
2. Social responsibility is to your family first. Parents are old unless you are young, and I have parents who are old, so it's in my best interest to hope the young get their shit together. Random strangers have other problems and very little has been done to encourage the US to get health literate. US HCP have tried so hard, but it just doesn't take.
3. Health systems can't prepare, they hemorrhage money to regulatory action and administrative weight. All of the income is pillaged by financiers via insurance companies and you will literally never have an infrastructure bill that tries to train more docs or build more hospitals even if medicare gets millions to waste subsidizing our paperwork class. We'll never get there. Left-wingers won't do it because they are the paperwork class. That's another reason I even bother, a lot of the people bucking compliance and going full antivax over COVID are my natural allies, who should be helping to make things better, and instead they're turning themselves into neutered public invalids who normal human beings will hear talking once and silently agree are insane.

Right, Google/Youtube and others are not your healthcare experts, yet they actively and selectively choose to silence those practitioners who provided actual tips on how to care for oneself during this virus. That's a big problem. I'd say the mainstream media is to blame, not the misuse of older drugs. I think if the higher ups actually wanted to help heal people of this disease, they would be open to and accept the widespread announcements of other self care tips provided by the likes of McCullough et al instead of pushing for only these new vaccines as the panacea.

The issue isn't that the market, albeit with massive help from the govt., pushed out vaccines very quickly. It's the massive political baggage behind the whole virus and subsequent vaccine fiasco like the TDS during the election and hypocrisy of BLM/antifa rioters being given exceptions by elected officials, and even some healthcare professionals, to the initial rules of masks and "social distancing." The icing on the cake is that the vaccines simply are unproven as it is the first time they are being administered to normal people en mass. It's analogous to the early adopters of the first model year of a car. The same people behind that hypocrisy then push for those vaccines, and continued masks + lockdowns despite new published studies showing the virus isn't really as bad as it was made out to be and that masks and lockdowns don't work.

I don't think anyone is pushing for new vaccines only, most GPs have been on the ball about advocating vitamin D and mask-wearing even when the feds were fucking it all up. The point is that the vaccines are useful and effective and you should
On the other paragraph, the government did not help push the vaccines out quickly in any capacity, the government got out of the way. The market did everything safely and ethically despite great opportunity not to. Every vaccine could be out as fast as the rona ones were if it did so more often, way faster, in fact. That's powerful, that should be a good thing to read, not scary. The documented performance and safety of these vaccines, the meticulous way they were designed to avoid new technology, etc are a testament to the future of evidence-based medicine and would have been impossible even a decade ago.
To boot, the vaccines aren't even unproven, necessarily. mRNA technology has been around for decades and basically unused despite fantastic results, because the FDA wants long-term studies to let a gnat sneeze.
I'll leave the rest alone for expediency. You may want to look into the data around masking specifically again, lockdowns are much easier to make a case against.

 

[Jones McCann]

The reason the vaccines got out fast after that is because the FDA didn't waste 2+ years filing paperwork. That's literally it. I would expect right-wingers/conservatives/libertarians/anyone concerned with regulatory burden to take the stance that this is the final nail in the coffin on how the government ruined healthcare

Rule of law doesn't matter, we can just skip all this paperwork that's apparently unimportant. If the paperwork doesn't matter then why does it exist? Having the government decide who has to follow the law isn't what the right wingers have in mind when they say they don't like regulation. This is just one example of how the government uses emergencies to break the law, of which there are many examples. When the government is telling you that you can't leave your houses, regulatory burden isn't at the forefront of conversation.

 

[Autopsy]

If the paperwork doesn't matter then why does it exist?

It shouldn't. The FDA is a wasteful government body and health standards have not improved despite 30 years of increasingly tight restrictions. Instead, things have gotten better only via technology, more datakeeping, and what few drugs they allow through.

This is just one example of how the government uses emergencies to break the law, of which there are many examples. When the government is telling you that you can't leave your houses, regulatory burden isn't at the forefront of conversation.

You're framing this as though "breaking the law" the feds made was the goal. Other cases of the government abusing emergencies (like the Patriot Act) are infringing on you, but the FDA sure isn't in the bill of rights, is it? It's a modern entity that only gets more labyrinthine (and ironically understaffed) ever year. In this case, what happened was the government admitting defeat because (shocker) central planning fucking sucks. The law as it stands is too rigid to adapt to emergencies, a fact they had already acknowledged as early as 03 when drafting the EUA. Earthquakes do not care if your building is "up to code," unless the code includes earthquakes protection measures.
Regulatory burden matters when we could have escaped much of the troubles of 2020 if vaccination started the moment reasonable safety was established and collated and the drug companies made it clear they were using known and tested excipients. The panic lawmakers had over the coronavirus were largely based on projections that didn't have vaccinations in 2021, let alone ~July 2020.
Still not defending the policy of lockdowns as it was implemented in America (or in general, just saying Chinese lockdown != American lockdown), but regulation matters when it interferes with things like this.

Edit: inside baseball, "drafting of the EUA in 2003" is referring to the Project Bioshield reform to health emergencies that paved the way for current use of the EUA. Not breaking the law, by the way, it is in fact written into the law and has been for years. Nothing until COVID pushed the FDA's slow ass process to the brink of unreasonability and forced them to use it, I guarantee you if there still weren't any vaccines authorized in the US by now per normal policy, the entire agency would be crucified. People are feeling a lot more brave about rona now that most of the elderly and infirm are at least half way to being vaccinated, or surrounded by people who are getting vaccinated.

 

[Terrifik]

have we added phiser vaccine side effect is sex issues

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https://twitter.com/AlexJonesWs/status/1385591621027250178

how it started :

how its going:

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I don't think anyone is pushing for new vaccines only, most GPs have been on the ball about advocating vitamin D and mask-wearing even when the feds were fucking it all up. The point is that the vaccines are useful and effective and you should
On the other paragraph, the government did not help push the vaccines out quickly in any capacity, the government got out of the way. The market did everything safely and ethically despite great opportunity not to. Every vaccine could be out as fast as the rona ones were if it did so more often, way faster, in fact. That's powerful, that should be a good thing to read, not scary. The documented performance and safety of these vaccines, the meticulous way they were designed to avoid new technology, etc are a testament to the future of evidence-based medicine and would have been impossible even a decade ago.
To boot, the vaccines aren't even unproven, necessarily. mRNA technology has been around for decades and basically unused despite fantastic results, because the FDA wants long-term studies to let a gnat sneeze.
I'll leave the rest alone for expediency. You may want to look into the data around masking specifically again, lockdowns are much easier to make a case against.

Sure some docs might have given those tips in person. Point is Google and others actively prevented the dissemination of those useful health tips over the internet and not every doc is on board with mask use. Operation Warp Speed sure is an example of the feds getting out of the way to expedite vaccine r&d and eventual production of the coof vaccines. It obviously wasn't a corporations only endeavor and it certainly is mired in a lot of political baggage, which has many of us cynical, especially given the high recovery from the disease.

The technology behind the vaccine might be strong, but the way it works specifically against the coof is still unproven as it is a new drug against a new virus. It's like the de Havilland Comet being the first jet airliner. Jet tech was in use for 10 years - starting with the ME262 - before the Comet began service, but the effects of greater speeds, higher altitudes, and square windows in a pressurized cabin on commercial airliners was not known until the string of deadly Comet disasters. Plus why even take the jab if you're not in a high risk group and don't want to be a lab rat? The personal risk assessment seems so easy. The data shows no benefit to using masks. I don't know why mask use is even something to discuss when over a year of using it has shown it to have no significant effect.

 

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To be clear, TTP is diagnosed with respect to hemolysis. The adverse clotting effects being investigated for JnJ/AZ correlated reactions are HIT-like, not TTP. COVID has given patients TTP, JnJ/AZ vaccine has not to date caused TTP. Pfizer has not been shown to cause either HIT-like symptoms or TTP.
VAERS does not constitute a causal relationship without investigation (and neither does investigating the possibility of something, by the way).

Sure some docs might have given those tips in person. Point is Google and others actively prevented the dissemination of those useful health tips over the internet and not every doc is on board with mask use. Operation Warp Speed sure is an example of the feds getting out of the way to expedite vaccine r&d and eventual production of the coof vaccines. It obviously wasn't a corporations only endeavor and it certainly is mired in a lot of political baggage, which has many of us cynical, especially given the high recovery from the disease.

The technology behind the vaccine might be strong, but the way it works specifically against the coof is still unproven as it is a new drug against a new virus. It's like the de Havilland Comet being the first jet airliner. Jet tech was in use for 10 years - starting with the ME262 - before the Comet began service, but the effects of greater speeds, higher altitudes, and square windows in a pressurized cabin on commercial airliners was not known until the string of deadly Comet disasters. Plus why even take the jab if you're not in a high risk group and don't want to be a lab rat? The personal risk assessment seems so easy. The data shows no benefit to using masks. I don't know why mask use is even something to discuss when over a year of using it has shown it to have no significant effect.

Warp Speed was also Trump's baggage by the by, even though he took very little credit. It was his crowning achievement on his deregulation & dealmaking platform, which he never talked about after 2016 (it hurt him electorally IMO). Normally I'd expect predominately far-left types to be skeptical of the vaccines as a result, but no, they seem fine with it.
I agree with the caution regarding unanticipated disasters, which is why the healthcare community at large and the feds are monitoring this stuff all the time (as evidenced by catching Emergent at its shit, the repeated halts on launching JnJ, etc), and to state again I find the cause to be vaccinated much less compelling in young & healthy people.

Masks have a tremendous amount of data after 2020. Before 2020, masks were primarily a feature for Asians and healthcare professionals, who agreed on the basic mechanisms of mask use and universally agreed on its efficacy. That was in fact a bad thing. No longer do you have to assume masks are effective, public scrutiny last year finally forced healthcare to justify this basic concept. It wouldn't be the first time "common sense in medicine" was wrong, but in this case it had been right after all.*
Typing "mask data" into a search engine of your choice is good enough to justify mask use, but I find this article to be a compelling and straightforward explanation of the data collected last year. The CDC cites its sources for claims (a rare thing for media equivalents) and you can read those individually as well.

*(indoor) Social distancing is mostly bullshit, though, and studies are in for that as well. The virus is aerosolized, as doctors knew and demonstrated ages ago. Masks work, standing further away in a room sharing a poorly ventilated air system barely does anything, if at all.