Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

[MirnaMinkoff]

Time to use her daughter to get some moneys! She charges from $222 to $444 for these things.
BUT if you buy during shuntversary its only $400!
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She is fucking shameless. You too can have a dying child with a Macy’s Parade balloon head by paying Robyn $400 to give you advice.

Shunt-a- versy, get the fuck out of here. Watching this woman pimp her suffering, dying child to shill her BS woo classes is one of the more disgusting things I’ve ever seen on KF and that is a sky high bar.

Luckily that shit hasn't infected where I live so much ... Yet.

Literally the only sympathy I can give Americans is that their healthcare is so fucking expensive and cos you allow pharmaceutical ads on TV etc it's easy to see why a dumbass might believe that "big pharma is so evil, doctors only want money".

Obviously anecdotal but I heard about hospital births costing 10k even with no complications ... If you're dumb, pregnant, and don't have that cash you can see why the whole "you can be a natural goddess and do it yourself" would be tempting. These insta wooo posts make it seem effortless so someone without critical thinking skills might wonder "yeah, I can do it too and save myself a bill"

Money is definitely a factor behind some home births. The poorest women get pregnancy and birth care totally free via Medicaid, but the people who make above poverty wage or have shitty insurance end up out of pocket thousands thanks to the hospital costs.

The other issue is midwives and doulas can lose the entire, or a substantial portion, of their “delivery fee” if a woman goes to the hospital. So they are saying bye bye to their payday if they send mom to the hospital.

 

[FluffyCat9000]

@GenociderSyo
More really good work here on the Woo details


This quote stands out to me when they got Luna's terminal diagnosis in the OP part 4:

"It’s absolutely a miracle that she didn’t die in utero, let alone live to be born a healthy, thriving baby who, until a few days ago, was hitting all her developmental milestones. We are in shock."


But this is obviously untrue... It's only true in her mind because theres no evidence they ever attended checkups or well baby appointments. In all those photos, even discounting the effect her swelling head has to throw off her proportions, that 6month old looks super thin and small. She doesn't look too different to a newborn. She was obviously having issues breastfeeding and getting enough nutrition, though how much of that was Luna's disability preventing suckling and how much was Robyn being ignorant of how much milk Luna was getting is debatable.

Also, she stated many times that Luna was the perfect baby because she never cried... This is a red flag to any normal person. Of course babies will cry to get their needs met. It's clear already that the damage was always present, it's only when they finally noticed her seizures and hydrocephalus became visible that they finally intervened medically.

Minor point as well, she states there that the damage was in utero. Later she does admit that it was a birth injury and not a developmental issue, but at the time the docs were still investigating

 

[flipwizardmagoo]

This thread is educational at least, I didn't know babies could actually struggle with suckling or how much the "breast is best" movement had made it extra hard for actual loving moms who feel like they fail cuz of needing formula.

The whole birth thing is weird, I can't imagine thinking "ooh one last pamper sesh!" once the contractions come.

The one thing that does puzzle me is the fact she wanted to go into the birthing pool even before her waters broke (which according to story doesn't happen till the middle of day 2) - I thought the worst pain came after that point, and prior to that the worst was just the contractions? Like I always assumed if you do use a birthing pool - you only get in there once it's actual go time, not just cuz the contractions hurt more than you thought they would

While it’s true that the most intense contractions come after the water breaks, contractions leading up to this point can still be unbearably painful. The “worst pain” ie what some women call “the ring of fire” comes at the transitional phase, around 7 or so cm, which is basically the turning point where birth is imminent; however, labor before this is no joke. Also, sometimes the water doesn’t break until right before baby delivers, and sometimes baby is delivered without membranes rupturing at all (look up in caul deliveries). Being in the water can distract and soothe women in labor, and the last hospital I worked at actually had a rule where the mothers were made to leave the pool before delivering, since there are some dangerous variables at play there.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

@GenociderSyo
More really good work here on the Woo details


This quote stands out to me when they got Luna's terminal diagnosis in the OP part 4:

"It’s absolutely a miracle that she didn’t die in utero, let alone live to be born a healthy, thriving baby who, until a few days ago, was hitting all her developmental milestones. We are in shock."


But this is obviously untrue... It's only true in her mind because theres no evidence they ever attended checkups or well baby appointments. In all those photos, even discounting the effect her swelling head has to throw off her proportions, that 6month old looks super thin and small. She doesn't look too different to a newborn. She was obviously having issues breastfeeding and getting enough nutrition, though how much of that was Luna's disability preventing suckling and how much was Robyn being ignorant of how much milk Luna was getting is debatable.

Also, she stated many times that Luna was the perfect baby because she never cried... This is a red flag to any normal person. Of course babies will cry to get their needs met. It's clear already that the damage was always present, it's only when they finally noticed her seizures and hydrocephalus became visible that they finally intervened medically.

Minor point as well, she states there that the damage was in utero. Later she does admit that it was a birth injury and not a developmental issue, but at the time the docs were still investigating

Almost any non-retard or any mother who bothered reading even the most basic bullet points about newborn development would have realized there was something very wrong with Luna after the first week. Robyn, however, gets all her expertise from psychic powers, crystals and woo so she didn’t notice any issues.

The fact that Luna didn’t cry would have been a huge red flag to anyone. Having a baby that’s calm and not fussy is one thing, having one that doesn’t cry is entirely another.

I actual wonder wtf the IG midwife did after Luna was born, run away as fast as possible? Getting a good hearty cry out of a newborn is one of those basic checks done after birth to make sure those lungs are working and clear. A silent newborn would be terrifying to anyone with half a brain or that had bothered to read a Wikipedia article on newborns.

It is very obvious, just by looking at the photos of Luna by 3 weeks that something is seriously wrong. I’d imagine observing her was even more obvious. Yet Robyn didn’t even bother to take her half-starved, non-crying, swollen head daughter to get checked until she was having seizures so obvious that even shit for brains noticed.

It’s amazing to watch her blame allopathic medicine for “not treating her warrior daughter” instead of blaming her own woo holistic birth that actually caused her daughter to have giant fluid filled cysts instead of a brain.

If only Robyn had gone to those awful ALLOPATHIC doctors when she was in labor, instead of deciding that squirting out a baby in a hot tub at home was the hill to die on, Luna would now be an adorable walking, talking toddler. But, at least Robyn got what was most important to her - a woo home birth. Luna’s life and brain was a small price to pay for Robyn getting the birth experience she deserved.

 

[Trombonista]

Are there any photos of Robyn in which she doesn't look smug?

 

[Sammies#1Fan]

Are there any photos of Robyn in which she doesn't look smug?

No. That would require a frozen Hell first.

 

[Trombonista]

No. That would require a frozen Hell first.

Well, then, here's hoping for a meltdown video when Luna kicks it.

 

[Miss Misery]

Are there any photos of Robyn in which she doesn't look smug?

Impossible, Robyn's veins are filled with smugness instead of blood.

 

[New & Improved Username]

She's such an empath that Luna's pain gave her migraines yet she never suspected anything was wrong until undeniable seizures were happening. Also thought nothing wrong with her being a skelebaby. English skills on an Amberlynn level. Complete lunacy and idiocy. I hope she's done having babies to ruin.

 

[MysticMisty]

I begged news stations and reporters to share our story as I feared I’d run out of time before finding a surgeon willing to see Luna as the LIVING warrior baby she was, someone who would fight even a fraction of the fight she’s endured for over a year. No one would help me in media, no one would hear my cries and pleading and screaming that my baby was being killed slowly because of inaction of allopathic medicine.

Of course the media didn't want anything to do with this mess. They're like Tumblr, in that they'll feature only "cute" disabilities, not grotesque ones. They don't want to traumatize people (especially kids) by showing Luna's massive, deformed head in HD without warning, and they can't give warning either because the Sociopathic Narcissist (and her loyal followers) will freak out. I do think they could easily work with "Evil doctors deny LIFE SAVING medical treatment to precious disabled baby" as a story itself, as long as it was any other baby than Luna.

Also this recent development of Luna apparently turning her head back and forth a lot reminds me of the Hartley girls, Lola Hartley in particular. Lola's shrunken and highly deformed brain caused her to turn her head back and forth constantly, so this is a sign of major and continuing brain damage (and failure of the shunt to do jack shit).

 

[Vi0l3t]

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Newborn Luna
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Part 1 : Woo Woo Mom and Birth Horror Story
Part 2 : Luna Deep Dive & Pics
Part 3 : Descent into Ultra Woo Part 1 (You Are Here)
Part 4 : Descent into Ultra Woo Part 2
Part 5 : Luna Vids, Resource Links & Overflow

Descent into Ultra Woo - Part 1​

• Around April 17, 2019
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  • "Within hours of going to the ER for suspected muscle twitches/spasms near Luna’s eyes/mouth (we were thinking, WORST CASE, seizures) we were being told Luna had life threatening brain conditions that would require immediate neurosurgery... only a few more hours into the future, this was followed by the devastating news that neurosurgery had been deemed futile; her conditions, so complicated and rare, that they were deemed inoperable."
• April 20, 2019
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  • "The staff at @peytonchildrens worked tirelessly over the last 72 hours to stabilize Luna enough for us to transfer home for in home hospice care where we will love on her & cherish her until she decides her time earth-side is through. While we haven’t been given any answers as to why our baby girl has the condition she does (we are awaiting many test results) we do know this...Luna doesn’t have much time left w/ us.
  • We’ve been told that it could be days, weeks, or months but her Dr.’s say she will not survive this. What we do know is that Luna was born w/ most of her brain missing & large cysts have formed in the spaces where her brain matter should be, causing hydrocephalus & seizures. We didn’t know any of this until this past Thursday. It is inoperable. She was seen by the best neurosurgeon in Indiana, Dr. Jodi Smith, & we discussed extensively why surgery would be futile & likely cause her even more trauma, pain, or death. So instead of looking for ways to help her survive, we are looking for ways to help her be comfortable & enjoy the rest of her time here w/ us.
  • It’s absolutely a miracle that she didn’t die in utero, let alone live to be born a healthy, thriving baby who, until a few days ago, was hitting all her developmental milestones. We are in shock. Heart broken. Devastated. But also so freaking proud of how strong & brave our daughter is. She is truly a miracle. The Dr.’s don’t know how she was & still is functioning so well since she hardly has any brain matter. But I think this goes to show how amazingly powerful our bodies can be & that we are more then the physical body. Luna’s spirit is so powerful.
  • We’ve gotten her seizures under control. She’s still nursing great, being wakeful at times, moving all around, crying, talking a bit & can definitely hear us.Please continue to send her, Glenn, & I all your love, prayers, strength & energy. We hope to get as much time w/ her as she can give us, however much that may be. But Glenn & I find great comfort in knowing her great Grandpas are waiting for her & will watch over her until we can all be together again.
  • Thank you from the bottom of our broken hearts, Luna’s Mommy & Daddy"
• May 9, 2019
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  • "We are so glad to report that Luna is still happy & stable as of now. Her seizures have continued to remain under control.
  • 3 weeks ago we were discharged from the hospital & were set to begin in-home hospice care. Due to our VERY BROKEN healthcare system & road blocks at every turn, we are still without hospice care for Luna. We are on our own to care for Luna until her time comes, which as any parent can imagine, is absolutely terrifying & financially a heavy burden to bare.
  • 2 weeks ago we reached out to Boston Children’s Hospital for a 2nd opinion from their neuro team & while we are heartbroken to report that the 2nd opinion only confirmed the 1st opinion (that Luna’s brain condition is inoperable and fatal), we are so happy that this team of experts cleared us for traveling with Luna. So we are headed home to vegas to make even more memories with Luna and all our family and friends from home."
• May 20, 2019
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  • "Today marks a giant milestone for our sweet little lady Luna. Almost 5 weeks ago our whole world was turned upside down with the devastating diagnoses we were given for Luna. We were told she had only hours or days to live. But our girl is so strong. In true Luna fashion, she does things on her own time frame and has given us 5 weeks past that. And not just 5 weeks of survival, but 5 weeks of THRIVING! Since leaving the hospital Luna has started to socially smile, had a few little laughs, found her hands, puts her hands in her mouth, can put binkie in and out of her mouth on her own, and is trying with all her might to roll over; all things the medical team said she wouldn’t ever do. Luna has proven that her existence is miraculous and only she knows when her time will come.
  • We continue to live in the seconds between moments with Luna, soaking up every experience and creating so many memories.
    Happy 4 months little lady! I love you to the moon and back, to the moon and back, to the moon and back again."
• June 4, 2019
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• June 21, 2019
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  • "Yesterday our little lady turned 5 months old!! She continues to amaze us every day. 2 months after she was given hours-days to survive & she is still thriving! Lately Luna’s been eating almost nonstop! She LOVES her swing & cuddling. She’s maintaining her weight, eating well, sleeping well, pooping, peeing, crying, smiling, has the occasional laugh, puts her hands in her mouth, can pull her headbands off purposefully, tracks us, turns to you when we talk to her, babbles, & most recently she’s found her feet she’s nothing short of a miracle.
  • I mentioned in my stories yesterday how much it means to Luna’s Dad & I that you all have joined us on Luna’s journey, that you’ve allowed our family into you hearts. Thank you for the continued prayers & healing energy. Please don’t stop!! We FEEL them constantly & please know they are helping to hold us all up during this time.
  • We owe a lot of Luna’s continued thriving to her practitioners, the ones who haven’t given up on Luna despite what her scans & medical tests say. Dr. Tom Eyrich & his healing hands/modalities. This man is a true healer & he’s so kind to our daughter. Lyn Williams, Reiki Master, Crystal Healer, & intuitive who has gifted Glenn, Luna & I with beautifully healing sessions every week since coming home from the hospital. These sessions, with both practitioners are so important to us & we fully believe they’ve helped keep Luna thriving & Glenn & I strong.
  • Next week we move back home to Las Vegas. This move home is unexpected & so financially straining as we just moved across the country only 8 months ago. Luna’s go fund me is still open & any amount would help us greatly! Your continued prayers & healing energy are also requested as this will be a long & hard move for us, taking us at least 5 days to get the driving done. We are looking forward to being home, to be surrounded by our friends & family, to get away from the drama that our jobs here have become, to get away from the suck & back into the light. If anyone in the Vegas area knows of reiki healers, chiropractors, naturopaths or anything similar, we are looking for recommendations for Luna’s new Vegas team!! "
• July 2019
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• August 8, 2019
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  • "Yesterday started out like any other day. But as the day went on, in a perfect storm of little events, Luna’s health took a turn for the worse. We saw the biggest decline in her health since that fateful day in April when our worlds were turned upside down with the discovery of Luna’s brain condition.
  • Luna had what we think were either new symptoms of the building pressure in her head or breakthrough seizures, among other concerning symptoms. These exhausted Luna & she struggled to nurse.
  • We are so glad to say, that after an overnight admittance to the hospital, we’re finally back home with Luna. It feels SO GOOD as we weren’t sure what was in store for us when we arrived at the ER last night. We are so grateful to the staff at Sunrise Children’s Hospital who are helping us establish hospice care for Luna starting tomorrow. Both Glenn & I can take a deep breath of relief as we will finally have the complete support team to help us navigate this chapter of Luna’s life.
  • We don’t know how long we have with our daughter, as this brain condition continues to slowly rob us of her. But we do know this... We love our daughter with all our hearts & souls. She is the creation of a part of each of our souls & of our soulmate connection. She is the strongest, bravest little girl ever. She’s feisty & such a fighter! She has a magical, very special soul. She’s on her own soul mission. She has awoken many to be more present in their own lives, with their own children, families & loved ones. She has touched more people then most with her bravery, strength, & being. We know every day with Luna is precious & never take a second for granted. We will love her till the ends of time, in this life and in all others.
  • So many people have reached out to us from all over the world & it touches my heart so deep. I read every message to Luna that is sent to her/us. You all have become part of our journey & we definitely need a village to help us through this. Please continue to send us your love, healing energy, & prayers. They help keep us all lifted. We can feel them all. Thank you to all who continue to send us support both up close & from afar."
• August 20, 2019
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  • Today Luna turns 7 months old! We could not be more proud of our daughter & her continued strength, courage, & will to stay earth side with us. Today we will spend the day snuggle bugging, playing, singing, & soaking all of Luna up; feeling total gratitude that she’s had a great past week!
  • Since I’ve gotten so many new followers in this past month I wanted to give a bit more details about Luna’s diagnoses in hopes that a follower or someone a follower knows, may have insight we have not been given. Back in April Luna was diagnosed with cystic encephalomalacia which lead to hydrocephalus, seizures & cyanotic episodes. Before these diagnoses we had NO IDEA our daughter was anything but a perfectly healthy child. We have done all the typical testing (no genetic testing yet) that comes with these diagnoses with all the results coming back normal. We’ve been told it’s just a freak occurrence, a once in a million happenstance. In April, when we left the hospital, we were told Luna had only hours-days to live. We were told the pressure in her head was inoperable due to the vast amount of fluid filled cysts she has in her brain- that they wouldn’t be able to connect them to shunt the csf- that even if they could shunt some, the remaining fluid/pressure would shift, putting too much pressure on her brain stem, killing her instantly. However, Luna has completely proven the medical community wrong as she’s continued to thrive and survive for 4 months longer then this. We were told she wouldn’t progress neurologically, socially, developmentally & while she is delayed in some areas, she continues to do new things (like smile, laugh, babble, put her hands in her mouth, pull at her knees/feet, play, rollover, track us, respond to us, etc.), all things they said she would never do. We could not be more proud of her.
  • 2 weeks ago Luna started having break through seizures that lead us to the hospital. These new seizures were causing cyanotic episodes that were by far the scariest thing we’ve experienced with Luna so far. For now, her seizures are back under control with her medication.
  • Our daughter is such a warrior, a magical little girl with such a HUGE soul mission. @garagegymglenn and I are so beyond thankful for all of you how are standing with us on this journey, who have gifted us monetary, who have sent their well wishes, prayers, thoughts, energy, and love, for those who have reached out with suggestions on treatments, doctors, therapies, diagnoses, etc. you all help us stand tall, give us a bit more strength, and not feel so alone on this journey."
• September 19, 2019
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  • "On Monday night into Tuesday, Luna had another big decline is her health. This is when we reached out to all of you and asked for prayers and energy. She started having difficulties with swallowing and nursing. Since she’s so little it doesn’t take much to dehydrate her and make her drop weight. We were starting to get really scared she was reaching the end of her journey here with us our hearts were so heavy and scared. So on Tuesday we made the decision, along with her hospice team, to place an NG (nasogastric) feeding tube. We aren’t sure if this is a temporary or permanent measure but oh man is it making a world of a difference!
  • I balled my eyes out while the tube was being placed; she barley cried and was MUCH stronger then I was! Part of my reaction to this was the thought of losing my connection with Luna through breastfeeding. It’s more then just the way I nourished our daughter, but an energetic exchange that I, admittedly, was not prepared to lose yet. My baby is such a warrior!!! Luna is still breastfeeding while using the NG tube and we are SOOOOO PROUD of her for that as we were told she would almost surely stop nursing with the feeding tube in place. In a little under 48 hours Luna’s cheeks are filling back in, her hydration levels are returning to normal, she’s becoming more alert and wakeful, and she’s is great spirits again!
  • Thank you to all of you who took the time to send us your love, prayers, and energy to help support Luna this week we truly feel the shift when you guys support us that way! It really means the world to us! Please continue to keep Luna, Glenn, Marley and I in your prayers and energy work"
• October 31, 2019
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• November 8, 2019
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  • "Please help us get the world praying for Luna!!!
  • We’ve seen time and time again how strong the power of positive energy, intentions, words, love and prayer can be. We’ve felt and watched it hold Luna and us up throughout the last 6.5 months after receiving her fatal diagnoses. .
  • Today, I ask all of you to please share this post on your pages and stories so we can get thousands and thousands praying and sending healing comforting vibrations to Luna.
  • At this moment in her journey, Luna needs a miracle. She’s losing her battle. But after all the love, prayers and energy sent yesterday, she’s still here with us. And this morning at 430am, after a beautifully powerful family guided meditation and reiki session, I felt this overwhelming knowing that she wanted to nurse (after 2 days of refusing to breastfeed and 2 days of vomiting up all fluids given) and so I attempted to breastfeed her... and guys!!!!! She IMMEDIATELY latched and has been nursing for the past 10 minutes.
  • Please pray for Luna, send her healing vibrations, loving and comforting energy, good thoughts, kind written words, and everything in between. Maybe with all of your help we can shift the energy from her being at her end of life journey to her surviving.
  • Please tag me @the_empathic_nutritionist and use the hashtag #prayforbabyluna or #healingenergyforbabyluna to help us share this message and get the world sending her energy and prayers!!!
  • Thank you from the bottom of my broken heart, Luna’s Mama, Robyn"
• November 20, 2019
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  • "My baby girl turns 10 months old today! I can’t believe I’ve been her Mama for 10 months now! I can’t imagine my life without knowing her and without being her Mama. She has changed me to my core, allowed me to grow in so many beautiful ways. I’ll forever be grateful for her.
  • This past month has been a roller coaster ride of highs and lows. Luna had such a big decline in her health, that we were sure we’d lose her. We said all the things, felt all the feels, surrounded her with our love and gratitude for her existence, and prepared for the end.... and then the end didn’t come and after a week of her being in active dying stages, she bounced back and has had stable vitals since Monday. She’s definitely doing things on her own terms, in true Luna fashion, and has decided she’s not ready to go yet. This is her journey. Only Luna knows the path ahead and we are here to love, support, honor and cherish her on this journey. We are here to help Luna accomplish her soul mission, to touch the hearts and lives of others, to help people live in the moment, to cherish their children and loved ones just a bit harder and never forget how precious life is. We are so proud of her for how tough she is and how determined she is to give us as much time here with us as she can.
  • We are setting up for the holidays so we can give Luna all the best memories and experiences from our favorite time of year We are forever hopeful that she’ll get to spend the holidays here with us"
• December 12, 2019
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  • "Missing the days before we knew Luna was sick, before our whole world was turned upside down, never to be the same again. Missing the days where my beautiful, silly, sassy little girl would play and coo and babble up a storm. Missing the days she’d stretch out her arm and play with my hair and lips while she breastfed. Missing the days where she had no pain and cried and fussed for normal baby reasons. Just missing that precious time we had with her so so badly..
  • It’s getting so HARD. Luna’s been in so much pain lately that it’s unbearable to watch, let alone FEEL. As an empathic mama, it’s more then just hearing your baby cry out in distress, more then watching her writhe in pain; it’s fully feeling the energy of it all with her. It’s having major migraine pain triggered by her pain. It’s feeling the terror and fear right along with her. Its not being able to leave her side or having panic attacks while away from her. It’s HEAVY.
  • But being an empathic mama also means I have a DEEP and powerful connection with my daughter. Its knowing her before she was born. It’s experiencing her joy and wonder on an energetic level, and not just witnessing it from the outside looking in. It’s FEELING how much she loves and adores me. It’s knowing our bond goes beyond this 3D physical world. It gives me peace knowing I have this with Luna for the rest of my life. It’s this that helps me get through the darkest times with her.
  • I love you to the moon and back, to the moon and back, to the moon and back again. "
• December 25, 2019
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Jesus seeing her rapid decline is horrifying, seeing her slowly starve, head keep growing, eyes permanently opened wide.

 

[FluffyCat9000]

She's such an empath that Luna's pain gave her migraines yet she never suspected anything was wrong until undeniable seizures were happening. Also thought nothing wrong with her being a skelebaby. English skills on an Amberlynn level. Complete lunacy and idiocy. I hope she's done having babies to ruin.

She's quoted as saying that her children's souls communicated with her from the astral plane before they were all born... So she "knows" she's due to have three, according to the OP. So I feel like she plans to have another at some point

 

[large_farva]

The fact that Luna didn’t cry would have been a huge red flag to anyone. Having a baby that’s calm and not fussy is one thing, having one that doesn’t cry is entirely another.

IIRC they said Luna also couldn't close her eyes completely when she slept, even from the start

 

[GenociderSyo]

IIRC they said Luna also couldn't close her eyes completely when she slept, even from the start

Yes she found this to be completely normal and bragged that Luna slept with her eyes open. When asked in comments how she dealt with dry eye she stated that Luna never had issues with it.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I’m not sure if this has been posted but here’s a podcast Robyn and Glenn were on discussing Luna and of course to shill their IGs.

70 - Meet Luna - Part 1 - Go Shout Love Podcast

It is a new month and that means a new family to feature. Today we are talking with Robyn and Glen the parents to precious and magical Luna from Las Vegas, Nevada. I am going to let Robyn and Glen tell you about her diagnosis and even how to pronounce it. I have tried and still haven’t...

poddtoppen.se

The description, emphasis mine:

Today we are talking with Robyn and Glen the parents to precious and magical Luna from Las Vegas, Nevada. I am going to let Robyn and Glen tell you about her diagnosis and even how to pronounce it. I have tried and still haven’t succeeded. They are the ones who are educated.

Yes, the woman who rubs crystals on her daughters swollen head is described as “educated”

I’m going to try and listen to this later, but I’m not sure I can tolerate listen to the Smug Idiot Nutritionist for very long.

Here’s some interview Robyn did with a University of Phoenix student for a course assignment back in 2009:

https://www.coursehero.com/file/50156378/Leadership-Style-Interviewdocx/

It’s all about Robyn’s organic diet consultations, but not quite as batshit as she is today. It’s taken her a decade of burrowing to get this deep into the bullshit.

Here’s Glenn’s personal trainer website that lists Robyn as part of his “team” (it’s a 2 person team btw)

Glenn Ramirez Fitness

www.garagegymglenn.com

 

[The Lychee Queen]

Of course the media didn't want anything to do with this mess. They're like Tumblr, in that they'll feature only "cute" disabilities, not grotesque ones. They don't want to traumatize people (especially kids) by showing Luna's massive, deformed head in HD without warning, and they can't give warning either because the Sociopathic Narcissist (and her loyal followers) will freak out. I do think they could easily work with "Evil doctors deny LIFE SAVING medical treatment to precious disabled baby" as a story itself, as long as it was any other baby than Luna.

I think it's more simple than that. Any medical professional the media would consult would immediately be able to point to Luna's condition being 100% her mother's fault. With that information, what kind of segment exactly would the news do? They'd have to include that piece of info; not doing so would be criminally irresponsible. But running anything uncritical of Robyn would be seen as condoning her awful behavior and beliefs. (Also anything critical she'd never appear to be in.)

Regardless of what you think of Gwen Hartley personally, I think most people would agree that she was good in front of the camera, could conduct herself in interviews and knew how to sell herself as a ~relatable~ mother with two poop goblins.

Robyn is no Gwen Hartley. Robyn is as likable as a fucking root canal. She has no charisma and no relatability and like I said in a previous post, her beliefs are bizarre and not at all mainstream. Who the fuck is going to want to watch a sociopathic woo woo claim she can communicate telepathically with her brainless child with a face locked in an eternal primal scream, all while she waves around some Chinese lead factory dyed quartz to cleanse and bless the air?

Any news segment on Robyn and Luna would make viewers sick to their stomachs.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Anyone interested here's my synopsis of that podcast that interviewed Robyn and Luna that I linked above:
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Podcast sells t-shirt subscriptions, split some of the profits with the people they interview. First seven minutes about how kids are “so much much more then their medical diagnosis” and shilling, skip it.
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Interview with Robyn starts about the 7;20 mark. (Luna was 20 months old at the time of this interview)

Luna, is magical and precious. She is the strongest person they’ve ever known collectively. She is magical, so magical, so communicative, she is able to shine her light across the world. Touches people’s heart, She has helped so many people in her short life. She’s very sassy! She knows what she likes. She likes mommy and daddy and getting snuggles. Always up for a challenge. Ask her to do something new in therapy and “she is all about it.” She’s making up for lost time now.

Since her surgery she is thriving. Really blossoming as a person.

Glenn: She has always kept being her sassy self. She’s kicking butt. Always a fighter. (Cross-fit promo) He kicked as much butt as he could and tried not to think about his daughter dying while he was at work. (This is the only time Glen allowed to talk more than one sentence during the entire interview btw)

Robyn: Noticed odd eye movements, twitches.. (This must have been pretty bad to finally get Robyn to not only notice, but take her to the hospital instead of wave crystals and do a detox.) Took her to the ER. Doctors knew upon admission something was seriously wrong. (no shit) . CAT scans and MRIs are done. Hardly any brain tissue, Robyn says it "doesn't even look like a brain." She was definitely having seizures. Somehow Robyn knew shunt surgery was what was needed right then? They completely ignore and never touch on why Luna has this awful tragic condition. (No surprise there I guess, since we all know why. )

That night Robyn claims a nurse told her Luna wouldn’t make it through the night. When they finally talk to a neurosurgeon the next day she tells them doing a shunt is futile and would probably result in Luna’s death on the OR table. She would rather Luna die at home than on the table, but if they want to twist her arm she would do the shunt.

We now have proven what we suspected - Robyn had no health insurance. She says they only "that month" made too much to qualify for “state Medicaid” but it also implies they never bothered to get coverage when they did qualify for it. So Robyn’s home birth was at least partially motivated by never bothering with proper insurance coverage while she was pregnant. She could have had it, but didn't bother. Also, why nobody gave Luna a proper check up the first three months of her life. Her visit to the ER was probably the first time a medical doctor ever laid eyes on Luna.

There was problem with getting hospice care after they left the hospital - probably had a lot to do with Robyn never bothering to do fuck all about coverage until they show up with a daughter dying at the ER on a Friday night. They showed up with Luna at the ER on a Friday and they are shocked a whole team isn't there at their home to take care of Luna on Monday morning. (The hospital did do the paperwork for "provisional medicaid" at the hospital after Luna's admission so the hospital at least took care of getting coverage for Luna, something Robyn couldn't be bothered with until this point.)

Robyn goes on to claim that Luna is meeting milestones. In fact if you tell her she can’t do it, she will (except eat, sit up, walk, talk, blink, etc...) Luna is actually above average on some milestones! Except holding her head up. She is rolling over. So they think maybe things have changed! The Dx might be wrong. "It began our year long battle to find a surgeon to save our daughter."

Now they go into detail about hydrocephalus, and shunts, but ignoring the fact that hydrocephalus is just a small part of Luna's problem it's multicystic encephalomalacia that's the real problem. Calls the surgeon who finally did the shunt surgery a "earth angel" and were told by previous doctors if they shunted some cysts, others would simply fill instead. Robyn now thinks this stuff about shunt futility is just wrong information, even though Luna's head has not reduced in size whatsoever since the shunt nor shown has she shown any improvement since getting one. Robyn claims that Luna was "totally normal" at this point (near 3 1/2 months) and meeting all milestones, rolling over, engaging, etc.... She would take "videos" to show the doctor to prove this to them. (Ignoring the fact a doctor will actually just test and interact with the baby in front of him, not look at videos on mom's phone. I have no idea how Robyn thinks Luna was totally normal at this point, we've seen the photos.)

Then they got medicaid insurance, got a second opinion, moved to Vegas, started doctor shopping there. "Stupid hoops" and they get into another general surgeon who offhandedly asks why they didn't shunt her? (Surgeon obviously just saw the big head and thought that seemed like the obvious thing to do in most cases of hydrocephalus.) They do have hospice care and nurses there daily now. They say that Luna was on high doeses of morphine and got a g-tube. They are determined to find someone to do surgery on Luna.

Mentions her "big following on SM" and then how they used social media to help them find a "maverick" neurosurgeon in California to do a shunt. She knew the doctor was the one after "seeing his photo" - Dr. Mahone. He talked to Luna like "she was a real person"... over a zoom computer meeting. (Glenn says something about Covid being good since telemedicine got them talking to doctors faster) According to Robyn, he had to apologize for all his colleagues and and she should have been shunted at three months. Robyn is now obviously clinging to delusion that if only the shunt had been done earlier it would have changed things, which is would not, it's not going to regrow her brain matter, just drain fluid. He tells them just to come into the ER so they get get it done under "emergency surgery" coverage...which seems odd, but that's what they do.

Surgeon actually realizes Luna is A LOT worse off than he originally thought when he sees her in person and has the scans done. Tells Robyn she might die on the table but he will try the surgery anyway (which ironically is exactly what their very first surgeon told them that Dx Luna. She said "if you twisted my arm I'll do it, but I'd rather she die at home with you instead of the OR table, and dying in the OR is very likely."

Luna survived the surgery "kicked butt" and they were only in hospital for 3 days. In "true Luna fashion" she showed everyone how wrong they were.

Now they are shilling clothing, if you purchase some t-shirt or hoodie, with a "finger painting by Luna" some of the money will go towards Robyn and Glenn

(Apparently there is a part 2. It seems part 2 will be the miracle part of the story? This is what they are promising we don't want to miss. Maybe I'll dig it up and do a synopsis later.)

I get the idea that Robyn has decided to totally ignore the multicystic encephalomalacia part of Luna's Dx and pretends doctors were just being negligent by not treating her hydrocephalus with a shunt early on.

I could almost feel sorry for Robyn at times during this interview. She gets choked up and weepy at times talking about Luna, then I remember she was the one that not only decided no prenatal or medical care was the way to go but even after that resulted in this horrific tragedy with Luna, she DID IT AGAIN with her next baby.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Luna survived the surgery "kicked butt" and they were only in hospital for 3 days. In "true Luna fashion" she showed everyone how wrong they were.

Now they are shilling clothing, if you purchase some t-shirt or hoodie, with a "finger painting by Luna" some of the money will go towards Robyn and Glenn

From what I remember she just suddenly taking her on trips out of the hospital three days after surgery to the zoo and such and just never went back.

Also the paintings are intuitive art they make via their telepathy its in her insta stories and she used to sell them to people there as well.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

From what I remember she just suddenly taking her on trips out of the hospital three days after surgery to the zoo and such and just never went back.

Also the paintings are intuitive art they make via their telepathy its in her insta stories and she used to sell them to people there as well.

I remember the “art” being posted on IG and figure that must be it. I might have missed it but the art only seemed to be a thing when they partnered with this podcast that wanted to sell merch

I will now have to listen to part 2. I figured it would be the “miracle” part since they’ve now got the surgery Robin wanted by the maverick surgeon that Robyn had to fight to get. I’m curious how Robin will describe Luna’s progress. I do dread hearing that she decided morphine was no longer necessary for Luna thanks to her crystal collection.

 

[interalia]

First of all, kudos. I don't think I've seen a summarization of a cow, especially a medical-related one, be done as well as this. It feels logical and flows well, and you get a good enough sense of Robyn and her husband. It's a bit sobering to think that this is the kind of person who sits high up on the woo-woo pyramid -- that all those people buying subscriptions at the crossfit gyms her husband has worked at over the years (crossfit itself being a bit cultish) have indirectly funded these shenanigans and this lifestyle. I agree with others that by far the most unique aspect of this is how visibly deformed and alien Luna looks -- if Luna was more superficially "normal" (while still dangerously ill), I shudder to think of how readily Robyn could have monetized her. Given how forceful and grasping Robyn is at monetizing the child, like creating bad art and pretending the kid created it psychically, I almost suspect that there will be a kind of Channeling Erik conclusion when Luna inevitably dies in the coming year or so. Perhaps an initial mourning period, maybe some initial dead-baby merch to test the waters, followed by full monetization of the dead baby, the fact that the baby is dead (more podcasts sure to follow). It's interesting to see where she could take it. I think Robyn being so adamantly anti-medical can't lead in any direction but "my child was murdered by the medical system but her light energy healing spirit lives on through me for a price of $55/session". And speaking of sessions, something tells me Robyn rakes in more money than she gives away with what's probably an unregistered, untaxed cash-in-hand home business.

Going back to my earlier point, I think it is important to emphasize that these are the kind of people whose ideologically-driven lifestyle is made possible by a social media machine of 60,000 Instagram followers and other "lower-tier" Robyns. Robyn herself seems to be a product of multigenerational woo-dom, so how many of the reiki moms who visit her will raise her kids that way, who might be future Robyns in their own right, or somehow even worse? What if Robyn has more kids? I feel like these kinds of social trends will grow as these extremely-online, extremely-child-having subcultures of crunchy granola woo moms and their idiot provider-husbands have more kids and raise them even more distantly from mainstream medicine, education, and media. At what point is this a decentralized cult, in the same way troons are?