Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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How can you both be 100% free of covid but also say that person's vaccinated from covid can still get it and spread it? Will vaccines allow us to go back to normal or are we supposed to mask up forver because fauci say so?
A lot of that is unironic hysterics from overly skittish health professionals who kept assuming things would go better than expected with COVID and got burned for it.
The initial concern was that while you successfully fight off COVID thanks to vaccine, you might still deposit COVID particulates in cavities not well protected by the immune system (like the nose) and spread it somewhat that way, because some diseases will do shit like that that, especially viruses. Fortunately, COVID does not appear to.
Now it's shifted a bit, and some of the concern is with variants developing that may be able to infect the vaccinated, but it looks like medicine is outpacing them IMO. Pfizer is already working on a booster for the nastier ones so far and I think a few of the indev vaccines are supposed to have wider strain coverage. Moderna is a weaker link, but the rate of infection of vaccinated people is low and seems set to remain low over the coming months.

If you have been fully vaccinated, even if you develop an asymptomatic or mild infection, you are profoundly unlikely to spread the disease. If you get COVID again, the odds of "symptomatic enough to spread the disease" and "being a breakthrough case" are about 0.0008% based on the data so far (convergence as "high as" 0.005% based on three-week delta), Once COVID prevalence plummets, the odds will become even more astronomical. If you are around other people who are vaccinated, the odds of you actually infecting them rounds to zero based on the current human population. Such a minor risk is not a valid reason to keep wearing a mask for the rest of your life if you don't want to.
 
The following is based on an actual conversation I overheard.
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And as long as I'm here, let's check in on /r/covidvaccinated
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Groomers.
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Her poor fucking kid.
Also, if you guys will forgive a personal sperg, I find it a bit unsettling how many people are chalking up these period issues to "stress". I know objectively that this is because periods in general are kind of a fucked up subject (so many people are on BC and have been since they were teenagers, many adults have IUDs, etc.) in terms of data collection, but at the same time there's a difference between being a few days late and missing a whole month. That's really abnormal.
Man, I'm already not getting the shot but I'm really, really hoping this genuinely isn't a widespread thing. Society as a whole is gonna have a lot of problems if this causes reproductive issues for women in significant numbers.
I've been on the Internet for 15 years, some cunts still manage to annoy me. I don't consider this as a bad thing. If anything, that means I'm not emotionally dead and drained.
Then be happily annoyed quietly instead of sperging at the site owners to ban annoying losers bc you can't easily ignore them.
Graceful apologies for stepping into tardhaven, but there's already decent evidence that getting COVID gives you fewer months of immunity than a two-shot vaccination does (as expected), which is why at least a single shot as a booster to the immune response you mounted while infected has been recommended. If you have had COVID and you are in a vulnerable population, it's still worth it to at least get a single shot, as single shot booster treatment becomes available.

More on the topic of "social responsibility," the goal is to slow the spread in general, and it's hard to do that if retarded college kids pass it around between themselves indefinitely. The pooch was screwed harder than a white girl's Maltese the moment it got into the US, and again when the feds didn't bother to shut down state borders, but there's still some hope of limiting COVID's existence entirely in rural & outlying areas by way of vaccination. That's a narrative war, and it's one being lost to screeching paranoia. We are unlikely to ever contain and eliminate COVID in the way that we eliminated Smallpox, because at some point some asshole decided "not wanting to get vaccinated" was a personality.
Aside from that, boosters are already being developed already for new strains, enough sensible people are being vaccinated, and ICU bed occupancy has mostly recovered from the highs of last year and earlier this year (down to 6% COVID occupancy from avg 30-40% in February pre vaccination wave), so we're at a point where the most vulnerable are nearly safe, and the general population playing their luck can enjoy the consequences (or lack thereof) without fucking over everyone else.
I feel for the people in the backwoods getting fucked by the situation, and for the asthmatic immunocompromised boomers who got taken in by whinging and conspiracy theories and will be dying in hospital beds for decades to come, but the mass doom and gloom markers have IMO entirely passed by. A lot of healthcare providers and experts are still so anxious with how close things came to the brink despite initially downplaying the disease that they're in full panic mode, and I'm not sure that's the right call, either.
I could give a hot buttered shit about slowing the spread in general. I care a lot more about bodily autonomy and individual civil rights than I do about obese cancer patients dying of the glorified flu. What goes into my body is not about what other people want or the needs of anyone besides myself, end of.
I see today is feed the trolls day, lol

Let them bask in their vaccine happiness while they can. Best estimate is 6-8 months before prion disorders and immune overreactions start killing them off.
tbh I think this one is more of a genuine retard than a troll. I do think it's a good thing to have these people around, because circlejerks suck and arguing with purveyors of the mainstream narrative gives us a chance to be challenged and better flesh out and defend our views.
 
Just close fucking thread. It is just pages and pages of ...

Kiwi 1: I have been licking eyeballs for the last year and I am not dead.

Product Placement: You tard. Not adult tard english not.( followed by latest MSM news shit and leaves a strong odour of chinese food)

Kiwi 2: I have been flying to cinemas all over the world for the last year and I am mot dead yet.

Autopsy: @ me in 6 months and tell me how you are kiwi 2.( followed by wall of text with lots of big words in a very typical troll/shill style of someone who is either being paid or has way too much time on their hands)

Kiwi 3: Is my washing dry?

Product Placement: You washing tard you need to tard ( followed by a paragraph, or two, waxing lyrical about the vax but with spelling/random tense errors, because its handlers chose a spook intern, and latest MSM news shit)

Cycleye: This post

Then the trolls and shills will respond with their bullshit and rinse and repeat.

There is fuck all to be learnt from this thread anymore.
 
Man, I'm already not getting the shot but I'm really, really hoping this genuinely isn't a widespread thing. Society as a whole is gonna have a lot of problems if this causes reproductive issues for women in significant numbers.
If the world goes the way of Children of Men, it would mean that people who didn't take the Vax would be the only fertile people left. Imagine worldwide fertility programs mostly filled with right-wingers, religious zealots, and anti-vaxxers. It's kind of a funny yet scary thought to be honest.
 
I could give a hot buttered shit about slowing the spread in general. I care a lot more about bodily autonomy and individual civil rights than I do about obese cancer patients dying of the glorified flu. What goes into my body is not about what other people want or the needs of anyone besides myself, end of.
At no point did I assert any of it should be mandatory, though you may well not have a choice due to organizations and businesses expressing their right to not be exposed to 'rona, as they have with all manner of other diseases.
If it's any consolation, I don't think anything with federal money should legally be allowed to do so. Health education is about convincing people to do things for the right reasons so they do it voluntarily.
Informed consent is the bedrock of modern medicine. Right now there's very little "informed" and near zero "consent" in places like this.
tbh I think this one is more of a genuine retard than a troll. I do think it's a good thing to have these people around, because circlejerks suck and arguing with purveyors of the mainstream narrative gives us a chance to be challenged and better flesh out and defend our views.
The circlejerk is so used to circlejerking that it can't spot the difference between the mainstream narrative (crafted by pressers) and the informed one (crafted by practice). The latter agrees with more of the narratives posted in shitholes like this, it just doesn't cave in to the temptation of putting facts under conspiracies and buying meme pills.
I am a simple man. I see a circlejerk, I step in to bust it up for a while for shits and giggles. Just look at this:

Autopsy: @ me in 6 months and tell me how you are kiwi 2.( followed by wall of text with lots of big words in a very typical troll/shill style of someone who is either being paid or has way too much time on their hands)
You are quoting my response to a blatant "troll" who asserted vaccines would kill everyone via "prion disease in 6 months." I was not saying he would die of 'rona in 6 months, he was saying I would die of da vax in 6 months.
That's hilariously stupid. I want him to @ me so I can prove I'm alive and make fun of him, in even the most remote chance he was serious. At worst I'd be reminded those posts happened and get to laugh about it all over again. Not because I think he'll spontaneously combust or some gay shit.

Also, yeah, it's been a pretty boring day. This seemed like a fun way to spend some of it.
 
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At no point did I assert any of it should be mandatory, though you may well not have a choice due to organizations and businesses expressing their right to not be exposed to 'rona, as they have with all manner of other diseases.
If it's any consolation, I don't think anything with federal money should legally be allowed to do so. Health education is about convincing people to do things for the right reasons so they do it voluntarily.
Informed consent is the bedrock of modern medicine. Right now there's very little "informed" and near zero "consent" in places like this.

The circlejerk is so used to circlejerking that it can't spot the difference between the mainstream narrative (crafted by pressers) and the informed one (crafted by practice). The latter agrees with more of the narratives posted in shitholes like this, it just doesn't cave in to the temptation of putting facts under conspiracies and buying meme pills.
I am a simple man. I see a circlejerk, I step in to bust it up for a while for shits and giggles. Just look at this:


You are quoting my response to a blatant "troll" who asserted vaccines would kill everyone via "prion disease in 6 months." I was not saying he would die of 'rona in 6 months, he was saying I would die of da vax in 6 months.
That's hilariously stupid. I want him to @ me so I can prove I'm alive and make fun of him, in even the most remote chance he was serious. At worst I'd be reminded those posts happen and get to laugh about it all over again. Not because I think he'll spontaneously combust or some gay shit.

Also, yeah, it's been a pretty boring day. This seemed like a fun way to spend some of it.
Looks like someone's suffering from mask induced lack of oxygen.

Really though, we have actual retards on this site who are not capable of understanding what they are talking about, and have fallen for the anti-vax propaganda. Thank god for the freedom of speech to spread propaganda.
 
The vaxx defender spergs are almost as bad as the branch covidians, and the overlap is even worse. I usually ignore them but felt like engaging today since others had already fed the trolls. I hope our masterdebater realized most ppl think he's an idiot and not even using his smurt words right.
I consider dislikes and disagrees to be endorsement in a thread like this, particularly when they come from losers who aren't even interested in @ing me.

Really though, we have actual retards on this site who are not capable of understanding what they are talking about, and have fallen for the anti-vax propaganda. Thank god for the freedom of speech to spread propaganda.
Freedom of speech is important because it provides a space like this where I can engage with people who seem to have genuine beliefs I disagree with for reasons I think might be compelling, and also to make fun of the rest. Anywhere else would have just banned me for "derailing the thread" by talking about COVID in a way the cargo cult doesn't appreciate.

Prion diseases take decades to kill, not months. Depending on how old you are, you might die *with* one, not *of* one.
Shh, don't tell em'.
 
Prion diseases take decades to kill, not months. Depending on how old you are, you might die *with* one, not *of* one.
Mad cow takes months or a few years, not decades. And it's one of the possibilities.

I'm sure the ppl diagnosed with a prion related disorder will be ecstatic about the difference though. YAY! Also, please note that in sarcastic or satirical statements often exaggeration is used to comedic effect. Also, please note that you didn't use enough words like "assert" or "hence", and for the love of god throw in a "thus" now and then. The other trolls won't be able to tell if you're a masterdebator or not.
 
what makes you think vaccines give you prions? T. got my first shot like 2 months ago and have so far avoided my 2nd. I would rather not end up like solid snake in MGS4 by my 40s.
The mRNA that is injected isn't very stable. There's plenty of articles from the before times talking about the difficulties that particular technology has to overcome before it becomes viable. People are questioning if moderna and I think pfizer actually overcame these issues (I forget off the top of my head which vaxxs are the mRNA ones)

edit: i wasn't very clear. mRNA goes through a process to feed code into ribosomes that shit out proteins, if those codes are corrupted the proteins are too. Garbage in Garbage out. That's why mRNA being stable is important.

 
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can you guys find see if fake or 4chan prank

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The mRNA that is injected isn't very stable. There's plenty of articles from the before times talking about the difficulties that particular technology has to overcome before it becomes viable. People are questioning if moderna and I think pfizer actually overcame these issues (I forget off the top of my head which vaxxs are the mRNA ones)

edit: i wasn't very clear. mRNA goes through a process to feed code into ribosomes that shit out proteins, if those codes are corrupted the proteins are too. Garbage in Garbage out. That's why mRNA being stable is important.

It seems like getting a prion from the vaccine is possible but rare then. since most bad proteins get deleted by your body it could mean mrna vaccines are just plain ineffective.
 
It seems like getting a prion from the vaccine is possible but rare then. since most bad proteins get deleted by your body it could mean mrna vaccines are just plain ineffective.
Yes, it is likely to be a rare occurrence. But one that needs to be understood before being used on the public.

We'll see what the long term effects end up being. Good luck everybody!

edit: I think the worse long term effects will be from the traditional vaccines. Previous attempts at corona vaccines failed when animal and later human subjects would be exposed to corona viruses in the wild and their immune overreaction would kill them. It's why those trials failed, and many people think the current ones have not overcome this issue. IIRC that happened 6-12 months after the vaccine, which is why we study them long term before approval.
 
It seems like getting a prion from the vaccine is possible but rare then. since most bad proteins get deleted by your body it could mean mrna vaccines are just plain ineffective.
The question is whether or not it crosses the brain/blood barrier. There's mounting evidence that prion diseases are actually an immune response to intrusive foreign material. In the case of alzheimer's and lewy body dementia, there is a strong correlation with presence of cerebrospinal bacterial infection, particularly certain gingivitis-causing bacteria. The trending hypothesis is that protein plaques, characteristic of alzheimer's and similar brain-wasting diseases, are a side-effect of the brain attempting to isolate and neutralise foreign bodies that have penetrated the brain.

There is a possibility that the protein spike that the mrna vaccines generate may have crossed the brain/blood barrier, promoting a similar immune response. Someone could make a lot of money studying that idea.
 
Yes, it is likely to be a rare occurrence. But one that needs to be understood before being used on the public.

We'll see what the long term effects end up being. Good luck everybody!

edit: I think the worse long term effects will be from the traditional vaccines. Previous attempts at corona vaccines failed when animal and later human subjects would be exposed to corona viruses in the wild and their immune overreaction would kill them. It's why those trials failed, and many people think the current ones have not overcome this issue. IIRC that happened 6-12 months after the vaccine, which is why we study them long term before approval.
Yeah I heard ADE was also possible. I just hope it isnt as bad in humans as animals.
 
what makes you think vaccines give you prions? T. got my first shot like 2 months ago and have so far avoided my 2nd. I would rather not end up like solid snake in MGS4 by my 40s.
There are no prions in the vaccines let alone produced by them, but if that isn't a consolation, prions have to migrate to the brain to be generally dangerous. Prions affecting humans have extreme difficulty making it through your body and one, three, or eight injections into the arm wouldn't be enough (animal models injecting Scrapie prions, not random ass mRNA, required 20+ tries before it took). mRNA are a viable treatment method for people who have prion disease, another application of the tech.

can you guys find see if fake or 4chan prank
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This is most likely where this retarded shit is coming from. the other guy linked some random rehost instead of the actual source. The author asserts that he "analyzed [the vaccine RNA] for the presence of sequences that can activate TDP-43 and FUS," Neither of the (accredited, well cited) papers he used to justify the claim that the sequences "activate TDP-43 and FUS" claim they any such thing, and the third is kind of a throwaway he dug up from nowhere that claims just the opposite. Before you can apply any of these papers, you'd need to be injecting the mRNA in your fucking CSF (or cerebral cavity), which no one is. At one point he asserts what this article claims COVID-19 (not even the vaccine) has "prion related sequences," when the paper says "prion-like domains." Prion-like domains are not "prion related sequences," they are a specific phenomenon and a misnomer referring to their low complexity, not direct resemblance to prions causing human disease. I am not an immunological specialist and I knew this. No alleged immunologist should make these mistakes; he pretty much did "COVID" "PRION" ctrl+f and slapped in whatever without even reading their abstracts.
The hope is that the reader won't know how to read, or will be too lazy to check his sources and get spooked by his editorializing, or simply doesn't have patience for longwinded research papers and doesn't want to have to deal with interpretations.
It's vicious.

The question is whether or not it crosses the brain/blood barrier. There's mounting evidence that prion diseases are actually an immune response to intrusive foreign material. In the case of alzheimer's and lewy body dementia, there is a strong correlation with presence of cerebrospinal bacterial infection, particularly certain gingivitis-causing bacteria. The trending hypothesis is that protein plaques, characteristic of alzheimer's and similar brain-wasting diseases, are a side-effect of the brain attempting to isolate and neutralise foreign bodies that have penetrated the brain.

There is a possibility that the protein spike that the mrna vaccines generate may have crossed the brain/blood barrier, promoting a similar immune response. Someone could make a lot of money studying that idea.
You are accurate in the statement the blood/brain barrier is critical and that demonstrating a way to get mRNA across the blood/brain barrier reliably would make a lot of money, but it wouldn't be to stop that from happening, it would be for the potential applications on treating diseases like Alzheimers or Lewy Body Dementia.

Yeah I heard ADE was also possible. I just hope it isnt as bad in humans as animals.
ADE was solved by way of targeted antigen abuse, the prospective animal trials for both Moderna and Pfizer were conducted specifically to target COVID spike proteins that appeared less likely to trigger ADE in model animals reflecting the human active site. Monitoring for any sign of it is still intense, but there has been zero cases of ADE so far.
Sorry this post took so long, I had to really dig into the sources that fag used, because even if he's a notorious antivax grifter it's not fair to discount his claims outright.
 
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Current death statistics for the vaccines. We'll find out in a few years if there are any long-term effects. If more people understood the unknowns from emergency use authorized vaccines I doubt they would be so popular. Luckily they are kept in the dark, most believe the vaccines will end the mask mandates and allow them to travel. oy vey!


edit: lol fuck redditards
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Current death statistics for the vaccines. We'll find out in a few years if there are any long-term effects. If more people understood the unknowns from emergency use authorized vaccines I doubt they would be so popular. Luckily they are kept in the dark, most believe the vaccines will end the mask mandates and allow them to travel. oy vey!
Thanks for linking that website, now I know where to point next time I see someone claim random statistics about the coronavirus are "fear porn." Imagine unironically bragging about how a nurse had a stillborn:

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...without bothering to check and see what actually killed the baby. It died due to marginal umbilical cord insertion, a physiological defect that happens rarely in pregnancies and can only sometimes be salvaged, not magical 'rona prion AIDS. The shot would have been months after the condition developed, undetected.
The nurse and her husband are still being harassed since their names & faces are in most of the images, posed as if it's some kind of wonderful advert for antivax cultism. They are unsurprisingly butthurt about that fact.

Peace with God indeed.
 
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