General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Avokado]

Yes, this is what Moona said. Depending on how it goes they will expand it to Gen 2. The only restrictions seem to be about how many people get butt hurt over a collab with Trash taste Connor. He mainly seems to do gaming with Ironmouse and YouTube with Kaho.

What are they trying to accomplish? Increase local (indonesian) viewer?

 

[Bingeamint]

Looks like you guys are right, Risu currently doing a discussion of what languages she doing in her streams between ID and EN, just taken a quick lookie. Could be interesting what the outcome of all this will be, as you say could effect the whole ID branch.

My theory is they want to try increase the Indonesian ratio abit and keep them more to the ID side of things and let the EN branch do all the main English bits. Personally I think that is kind of sucky and I feel like you should stream whatever language you feel fit on the day, but then again this is cover management now and they always done some questionable choices in the past.

 

[I am not here]

Pretty sure that I saw Pekora streaming during this reveal. For the most part I thing reveals like this aren't as special anymore. People who wanted to watch it will watch no matter who else is streaming.

Once again on a membership stream Moona apologized for something and said she would do better. Most of chat was telling her to ignore the Chans. Also it sounds like ID management is forcing/testing Gen1 to alternate between En and ID streams, no mixed streams. Dumb.

Source? Collabing with EN is clearly a good business move, but if the management forcing it to happen, that it's super dumb and recipe for disaster and push back from the girls.

Looks like you guys are right, Risu currently doing a discussion of what languages she doing in her streams between ID and EN, just taken a quick lookie. Could be interesting what the outcome of all this will be, as you say could effect the whole ID branch.

this looks like the main issue. Likely some ID iman said that all this Inggeris is too haram and want "their" ID idols to suck them off more. SEA Malay/Indos/Pinoys are the most annoying I feel because of how they need to justify their race, color, culture, language, and religion. Just let them do what they want. ID was the closest we got to a EN branch before EN, and even then their English shenannigans prolly put them in the spotlight more than their ID stuff tbh

EDIT: to add, I get it EOP only is sometimes cringe. But I think its a moot point to point out that a majority of the world interacts in English. The mish mash of both ID and English to me is great because I get most of the context and possibly learn something interesting in a different language. I feel like that's how it feels for some JP fans when the JP branch does english or when EN (ie. the chicken) does JP stream but adds English in the middle here and there.

To have an exclusive language would alienate the preexisting EN viewership that has grown accustomed to at least having some EN. Switching to exculsive languages for certain streams would def see a dip in viewerhip I feel. And for JP is diff because most of the fanbase already knows "we won't understand shit but we know the clippers will get it to us soon" and that's because the precedence is set. ID has set the precedence that there's a mish mash of EN and ID.

EDIT2: Straight out of the squirrel's mouth, someone somewhere ID is demanding "equality". Yeah, this meeting is Risu trying to figure out how to cut up the language and streams. ID wants more ID, EN doesn't mind decrease but prefer mix than pure. EN viewers are pointing out alienation, numbers etc etc. Think like one viewer said, try and let the numbers speak for themselves.

this is pretty true I feel. The ones that complain are usually the new ones because she is ID so should be ID. The ones who have been around long enough are just "yeah yeah whatevs Risu go brrrrrrr hahaha". Also, some ID viewers complaing about how the superchatters are getting "their way". You dumbfucks, she's still deliberating and it just so happens superchats are a definite way to highlight a message. Sorry you dumb country doesn't allow it

EDIT3: LOL the squirrel calling out the temporary fake fans I think who are making all the noise. Looks like she wants to see if she can do something, get rid of them and then business as normal again. Damn girl, your Ayunda is showing

 

[Bingeamint]

To have an exclusive language would alienate the preexisting EN viewership that has grown accustomed to at least having some EN. Switching to exculsive languages for certain streams would def see a dip in viewerhip I feel. And for JP is diff because most of the fanbase already knows "we won't understand shit but we know the clippers will get it to us soon" and that's because the precedence is set. ID has set the precedence that there's a mish mash of EN and ID.

EDIT2: Straight out of the squirrel's mouth, someone somewhere is demanding "equality". Yeah, this meeting is Risu trying to figure out how to cut up the language and streams

I cant be the only one here that thinks this is all gonna backfire in some way. There going to try this "new" separate language stream shit and the management are going to realise "oh man, there viewership is so all over the place now, this isn't the outcome we predicted in our 7 meetings on the chalkboard now". I really don't see the issue at all of mixed streams where they use both ID/EN in the same stream and I think a huge majority of people have no issue with it as well.

By that logic you could go "Kiara no more German or Japanese, your EN branch now, speak the English" it a pretty fucking dumb move of separating the viewer bases now.

 

[Avokado]

this is pretty true I feel. The ones that complain are usually the new ones because she is ID so should be ID. The ones who have been around long enough are just "yeah yeah whatevs Risu go brrrrrrr hahaha".

From my observation, there is possibility that those who compaint "you should speak ID", is just typical indonesian internet trolls who stumble to the stream, not people who genuinely interested to the content.

 

[I am not here]

I cant be the only one here that thinks this is all gonna backfire in some way. There going to try this "new" separate language stream shit and the management are going to realise "oh man, there viewership is so all over the place now, this isn't the outcome we predicted in our 7 meetings on the chalkboard now". I really don't see the issue at all of mixed streams where they use both ID/EN in the same stream and I think a huge majority of people have no issue with it as well.

By that logic you could go "Kiara no more German or Japanese, your EN branch now, speak the English" it a pretty fucking dumb move of separating the viewer bases now.

think that's why Risu is having this stream. Gotta see what's the best way to go about it. And, like I said, I'd rather the mix streams than the pure streams. I'd rather all have some context than one group has context and the other has none.

From my observation, there is possibility that those who compaint "you should speak ID", is just typical indonesian internet trolls who stumble to the stream, not people who genuinely interested to the content.

SEA internet trolls just need to die already. Actually, any dumbfuck who has no interest and no business to be involved should not be involved and just move along with their sad lives. It's like how I have no interest in twitchthots now, I don't go around trying to get them jerk me off yknow.

 

[Bingeamint]

So this is what the end result looks like it going to be now.

At the end of the day the numbers will be the true factor and I think until they see some raw data then management are going to stick with their guns. Have to remember cover is a japo company and they need 28 different meetings with 16 power point presentations with graphs and shit before they all agree on anything on finalised.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

It's like how I have no interest in twitchthots now, I don't go around trying to get them jerk me off yknow.

You had an interest in them before?

Looks like Risu gave much more information about it then Moona did.

 

[RiverBear]

Tbf, it's nice to have dedicated ID streams for legit ID fans, and to gain more ID viewers. If anything, mix would have been the best option though

Probably Cover thought the IDs are trying to pander too much the EN crowd (and as an effect, cannibalizing some of HoloEN's potential viewers) and no longer trying to focus on the ID population?

 

[I am not here]

You had an interest in them before?

I was young, stupid, seeking validation, and incredibly horny. Could you blame me?

when it comes to Risu, nut will always get a smirk from me. Remember, its 4 usual nuts, 1 nut for the EN and 1 nut for the ID

Tbf, it's nice to have dedicated ID streams for legit ID fans, and to gain more ID viewers. If anything, mix would have been the best option though

Probably Cover thought the IDs are trying to pander too much the EN crowd (and as an effect, cannibalizing some of HoloEN's potential viewers) and no longer trying to focus on the ID population?

sounds possible. Wasn't there a discussion some pages earlier about branches cannabilizing viewerbase but ultimately it didn't matter because gachikois will be gachikois?

EDIT: aww.. goddamn the squirrel is giving a heart to heart. Nope, totally not gonna form a parasocial relationship
EDIT2: Korone's out of the hospoital it looks like and its a rare Korone Karaoke stream. This dog is just as precious as real dogs. Nope, better than real dogs sorry dogpeople.

 

[reinigen]

Harambe meme review confirmed.

I dont think anyone is genuienly dumb, except maybe Kiara and I'd argue her case is just autism and social retardation more than anything.

I go back and forth on Gura. "Shorkbrain" is a meme for a reason, but other times she seems unreasonably sharp and aware. On the other side, despite the act she puts on I'm fairly confident Haachama is much smarter than she seems.

EDIT2: Korone's out of the hospoital it looks like and its a rare Korone Karaoke stream. This dog is just as precious as real dogs. Nope, better than real dogs sorry dogpeople.

She was singing one of the One Piece openings, paused the song, sneezed, then kept singing. God that was adorable.

 

[EliteDoragon]

I doubt the ID stuff has much to do with complaining or cannibalization and more to do with marketing. They want to be able to get mainstream deals locally and they can't if all their talent does is pander to overseas people.

 

[horni]

Kson seems to be happy about something, maybe it's the implementation of the final solution for the bugmen question, who have been poisoning her life for the past 7 months?

 

[Tatsunoko]

Coco's finished creampie.

I'd eat it gladly.

Kson seems to be happy about something, maybe it's the implementation of the final solution for the bugmen question, who have been poisoning her life for the past 7 months?

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It's crazy how great things are going for her. Bugmen can no longer spam, the second run of her Kiryu-Kai badges started shipping, her new Costume, the 1 Year anniversary of Membership. All in the span of 2-3 days. Glad things are finally looking up for her and I hope it keeps going. She seemed a lot happier than usual in her Karaoke stream as well and I noticed there were absolutely no mods anymore. Just Ollie and Moona that popped up at a certain point.

 

[DrStupid]

About the whole IDgate, they kinda shot themselves in the foot with the original song (identity) and also the collabs with indonesian chubas this past few weeks. They showed up on the radar of a lot of newfags.

This is what happens when you try to get more attention of your local audience, they start demanding you privileges.

 

[packson]

Kinda lost track of the thread so here’s Pikamee discovering a life improvement.

 

[augment]

We'll see how the ID/EN plan goes in a week, I'm glad the squirrel laid out everything in simple terms.

About the whole IDgate, they kinda shot themselves in the foot with the original song (identity) and also the collabs with indonesian chubas this past few weeks. They showed up on the radar of a lot of newfags.

This is what happens when you try to get more attention of your local audience, they start demanding you privileges.

Oh, god forbid a streamer trying to become more popular by attracting new viewers, she should definitely just be glad with what she has already right?

 

[SmugPeko]

Pretty sure that I saw Pekora streaming during this reveal. For the most part I thing reveals like this aren't as special anymore. People who wanted to watch it will watch no matter who else is streaming.

Once again on a membership stream Moona apologized for something and said she would do better. Most of chat was telling her to ignore the Chans. Also it sounds like ID management is forcing/testing Gen1 to alternate between En and ID streams, no mixed streams. Dumb.

The rabbit actually started 1 hour earlier than her usual time and ended her stream before Coco stream.

 

[Azchan]

The ponytail one? It sort of sounds like there's a company-side reason for it. The rest of her excuses sound a little weak. Maybe the China dress, like someone mentioned, though that explanation feels a bit off to me.

Real shame as I really like that costume.

Yes, this is what Moona said. Depending on how it goes they will expand it to Gen 2. The only restrictions seem to be about how many people get butt hurt over a collab with Trash taste Connor. He mainly seems to do gaming with Ironmouse and YouTube with Kaho.

This feels like it could easily backfire. Part of the ID charm is that they are all fluent in english and they can go back and forth and translate real time. No need to have people clipping and translating their shit.

I cant be the only one here that thinks this is all gonna backfire in some way. There going to try this "new" separate language stream shit and the management are going to realise "oh man, there viewership is so all over the place now, this isn't the outcome we predicted in our 7 meetings on the chalkboard now". I really don't see the issue at all of mixed streams where they use both ID/EN in the same stream and I think a huge majority of people have no issue with it as well.

By that logic you could go "Kiara no more German or Japanese, your EN branch now, speak the English" it a pretty fucking dumb move of separating the viewer bases now.

I agree. I feel like this could have a negative impact on viewership when a large chunk of the audience wont tune-in on the days they are doing one language or the other.

So this is what the end result looks like it going to be now.
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At the end of the day the numbers will be the true factor and I think until they see some raw data then management are going to stick with their guns. Have to remember cover is a japo company and they need 28 different meetings with 16 power point presentations with graphs and shit before they all agree on anything on finalised.

Her viewership will go to shit (its not doing that great now) and in 3 months they will decide to keep it mixed as it was before. By then the damage will be done.

Tbf, it's nice to have dedicated ID streams for legit ID fans, and to gain more ID viewers. If anything, mix would have been the best option though

Probably Cover thought the IDs are trying to pander too much the EN crowd (and as an effect, cannibalizing some of HoloEN's potential viewers) and no longer trying to focus on the ID population?

I don't mind a few dedicated streams here and there but here it feels forced.

 

[ZMOT]

I go back and forth on Gura. "Shorkbrain" is a meme for a reason, but other times she seems unreasonably sharp and aware. On the other side, despite the act she puts on I'm fairly confident Haachama is much smarter than she seems.

pretty early I got the impression she's very aware of what she's doing and just shooting the shit, reminded me a lot of a local entertainer over here. or another example, look at mister bean and then compare him to rowan atkinson.
however, she is pretty young, and everybody does dumb things when they're young, so I always expect some genuine yabai moments (that spicy korean ramen part was pretty good).

EDIT: to add, I get it EOP only is sometimes cringe. But I think its a moot point to point out that a majority of the world interacts in English. The mish mash of both ID and English to me is great because I get most of the context and possibly learn something interesting in a different language. I feel like that's how it feels for some JP fans when the JP branch does english or when EN (ie. the chicken) does JP stream but adds English in the middle here and there.

To have an exclusive language would alienate the preexisting EN viewership that has grown accustomed to at least having some EN. Switching to exculsive languages for certain streams would def see a dip in viewerhip I feel. And for JP is diff because most of the fanbase already knows "we won't understand shit but we know the clippers will get it to us soon" and that's because the precedence is set. ID has set the precedence that there's a mish mash of EN and ID.

it certainly works for pikamee, and there are probably more ID viewers that also speak EN than the opposite.
don't think splitting it up for certain streams will lower viewership, for that stream sure, but not in general. so they do a ID only SC reading, big whoop, doesn't mean no EN won't ever watch any of their streams ever again (and while there probably some tards that think this way, they are statistically insignificant) - membership streams a different beast altogether, since those are already paying customers, so to speak.

I doubt the ID stuff has much to do with complaining or cannibalization and more to do with marketing. They want to be able to get mainstream deals locally and they can't if all their talent does is pander to overseas people.

eh, doubt it. cover is an idol entertainment company, not advertising. sure, some local deals are nice for the bottom line, but it would work like any other deal like that - the target demographic has to make sense, and how many local business exclusively or mostly cater to young male adults (which are not online already)? same reason you don't run ads for an elderly demographic during your saturday morning cartoons. plus being vtuber it's pretty new, and advertising is pretty "conservative" kinda so they really would need to blow up big, and I don't see any of them becoming the local kizuna ai (not because they're worse or anything, simply due to being a different form of media and entertainment).

claiming cannibalization is pretty retarded if that's what they were going with, if japan can carry several generations and competition, EN globally can just as easy if not more. but then they still have some separation between branches, so it's probably boomer suits being boomer, especially when you consider almost all of JP is now learning english on stream.

I don't mind a few dedicated streams here and there but here it feels forced.

the big question is how much ID is already saturated, or how much growth cover thinks is still possible. like I said the main demographic probably doesn't mind since they already speak some english anyway, the fans who are accustomed how things work won't mind either (else they wouldn't be fans, obviously), and any possible new viewer can easily get it same way everyone else did, language is only some part of the whole deal. I can understand EN but I mostly watch JP, why's that? same applies to ID.

the smart thing would be simple communication (which is pretty much always the issue) - fans are usually very understandable and probably would watch ID only streams anyway, if not they skip it and tune in to the next one. highly doubt you gonna loose a lot of viewers permanently just because they can't understand some streams (and I'd assume EN is probably even more tolerant in that regard out of habit), the ones you do lose most likely weren't "paying" viewers to begin with. and of course, you could easily fix that but just hiring some translators where language becomes a moot point.