Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Autopsy]

Nobody has a right not to be exposed to a disease. Safety is not a civil right. The weird wokey habit of describing everything you want as a civil right only serves to confuse and annoy people and doesn't actually change the real conditions that lead to not getting whatever it is that you want. It's like when trannies describe "getting gendered correctly" as a civil right. Declaring it a civil right doesn't actually give you the ability to force what you want on random bystanders just trying to mind their own business. Same with people saying they "have a right" not to be exposed to Chink AIDS. Rights don't work that way.

There's plenty of informed. We have access to all the same information you do, we just came to different conclusions and/or have a difference in our risk/reward profile. And if there's no consent, there's no shot, and there's no problem.

Homeslice, you didn't know the difference between an EUA and FDA approval, jerking yourself to how informed you are is laughable. Also, protip: actual smart people don't use overly pretentious language and sentence structure the way you do. It's really easy to spot someone trying way too hard to sound smarter than they are. While I appreciate breaking up the circlejerk, it would be dank if you could stop tugging on your foreskin long enough to have a real conversation about this stuff that isn't drowned in obnoxious posturing.

I didn't claim safety was a civil right (bolded for emphasis), the right in this case is freedom of association and the ability of businesses to decide who they serve or allow to work in their locales. Feel free to take that one to court, the homo cake commies need more people on board for their suit now that everyone forgot they cared. FWIW I even said I oppose the government or federally funded projects mandating vaccination, since that's the thing the constitution is there for. You have an uphill battle elsewhere.

Access != understanding. Many of the things I'm being forced to explain are either on the very nuanced side of the spectrum, which is why I have to write these long ass fucking posts to do it, or it's common knowledge that everyone should have by now, like how VAERS works, or how freedom of association exists and was a natural right-wing talking point for years until it mysteriously vanished I guess. No disagreement on consent, as I've reiterated over and over.

Also, you're asserting I don't know "the difference between an EUA and FDA approval," I do, which is why I cited the EUA as how they got FDA approval. If I believed that the EUA was FDA approval, I would have just claimed they got FDA approval and never brought up the fact it was an EUA. I even explained the specific criteria by which gave an admittedly fairly vague explanation of how an EUA bypass to the formal approval process is maintained:

COVID vaccines are not experimental and do have FDA approval per EUA. EUA is an ongoing process and would be revoked the moment the vaccines did anything contrary to what you would allow in a FDA approved drug. Protip: they haven't.

The full approval process is a waste of time (accelerated approval is rapidly becoming the new standard) and the vaccines are going to get that full approval soon, anyway. This is more of a semantics point ("approved by the FDA" vs "FDA approval") than anything else, so it's ironic you would bring it up while accusing me of being too pretentious.

Edit: These posts would also be shorter if people stopped claiming I said things I didn't say. Having to reiterate what I am and am not saying, over and over, because people would rather banter with their preferred version of me instead of my real posts, is both tiring and wasteful.

 

[Quijibo69]

Just came back from the state fair, saw about half mask on, half mask off. Looks like people are tired of this shit.

 

[Bakarina]

Imagine having the chance to give some SCIENCE JUICE to your baby too! Better get all the vaccines so the fetus can get MAXIMUM SCIENCE.

My doctor didn't even want me to get the flu shot while pregnant (before he found out that I was allergic to the damn thing), but sure, let's inject something that doesn't have FDA approval into someone carrying a baby. What's the worse that could happen?

Just came back from the state fair, saw about half mask on, half mask off. Looks like people are tired of this shit.

People have been tired of this since it started. Even when the mandates started people were wearing masks incorrectly. Unfortunately people need to stop being pansies and just go all the way in not wearing masks in general.

One of the managers blew out the intercom this past week by screaming into it because people weren't wearing masks (I nearly laughed at him when he did it to). When using a majority of intercoms, you should speak into it in your normal speaking voice, screaming in to it just causes distortion (this manlet is married with children too).

 

[Smug Cat]

Access != understanding. Many of the things I'm being forced to explain are either on the very nuanced side of the spectrum, which is why I have to write these long ass fucking posts to do it, or it's common knowledge that everyone should have by now, like how VAERS works, or how freedom of association exists and was a natural right-wing talking point for years until it mysteriously vanished I guess. No disagreement on consent, as I've reiterated over and over.

lmao thanks for telling us uneducated plebs about the "nuanced side of the spectrum" that only you can understand. Anyone who disagrees with you just doesn't understand because you r the most smarterest person in the WORLD and your personal opinion is objectively correct at all times. You should get in touch with the pope, or something.

I could go through and address each one of your points but since you've clearly rejected my request to stop fondling your foreskin it's a waste of time and effort. Which is an absolute shame because I would love to have an actual conversation about freedom of association for a business as it relates to the current american legal structure and the natural rights of the individual.

 

[Autopsy]

lmao thanks for telling us uneducated plebs about the "nuanced side of the spectrum" that only you can understand. Anyone who disagrees with you just doesn't understand because you r the most smarterest person in the WORLD and your personal opinion is objectively correct at all times. You should get in touch with the pope, or something.

I could go through and address each one of your points but since you've clearly rejected my request to top fondling your foreskin it's a waste of time and effort. Which is an absolute shame because I would love to have an actual conversation about freedom of association for a business as it relates to the current american legal structure and the natural rights of the individual.

It's a shame the things you lose by being a whiny baby.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I didn't claim safety was a civil right (bolded for emphasis), the right in this case is freedom of association and the ability of businesses to decide who they serve or allow to work in their locales. Feel free to take that one to court, the homo cake commies need more people on board for their suit now that everyone forgot they cared.

What if I don't want to associate with niggers or Mexicans? Do I have the right not to serve them in my restaurant? While I may feel I have that right, the state, federal govt and SCOTUS have decided, no, I do not (see Heart of Atlanta Motel, Inc. v. United States 379 U.S. 241 ). That has been expanded many times since, to include health status.

Also, as far as the cornona vaccines go:

 

[Autopsy]

What if I don't want to associate with niggers or Mexicans? Do I have the right not to serve them in my restaurant? While I may feel I have that right, the state, federal govt and SCOTUS have decided, no, I do not (see Heart of Atlanta Motel, Inc. v. United States 379 U.S. 241 ). That has been expanded many times since, to include health status.

Also, as far as the cornona vaccines go:
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I personally disagree with that decision and would rather you have total freedom of association, including niggers or Mexicans.
In the meantime, you can press your case on how the SCOTUS hates freedom and has therefore outlawed this sort of practice if your employer tries to do it to you- my point was that you may be forced into that position, not by the BIG EVIL PHARMA, but by workplaces, schools, etc. who already frequently require vaccinations. COVID vaccines are a pretty straightforward addition over something like getting a regular Flu vaccine (which some places mandate).
Notice how none of that is my doing, nor am I discussing the ethical or scientific validity of these individual policies. I have no skin in that fight, I was just informing the guy and now you that you'd probably have to fight it long before worrying about any healthcare provider or federal policy mandating it.

If you're a NEET or you own your own business, rock on, otherwise you're going to have a lot more busywork raging against small business, the education system, and industry employers than whatever the people in this thread seem to think is da enemy right now. Getting sick lowers productivity, and employers hate that shit, and employers don't really care if you personally don't think vaccines work when they can blink twice and find public data to the contrary.
I say this with confidence because all the other antivaxers up to now have had to fight this fight, and the cautionary window where antivax shit is vaguely tolerated by the places I just listed regarding COVID is closing.

Also, no, the main metric watched to decide if the vaccine is working is whether vaccinated people or unvaccinated people accrue more cases per capita (ideally zero cases vs, as few as possible cases, but no one's claimed the vaccines are 100% effective at stopping all infection, even if Pfizer is pretty close).
Since the elderly are being vaccinated faster than the middle-aged and young, the raw death rate should fall as well, but that's just a bonus. Shit flier, pretending to be retarded to say "HA DEATH RATE LOW " is still pretending to be retarded.

 

[Smug Cat]

It's a shame the things you lose by being a whiny baby.

Somehow I'll find it in me to survive despite being deprived of your incredibly original, meaningful, and well-considered wall of text on how much smarter you are than everyone else lmao

 

[Autopsy]

Somehow I'll find it in me to survive despite being deprived of your incredibly original, meaningful, and well-considered wall of text on how much smarter you are than everyone else lmao

I'm glad you're coping well and I hope you have a good evening. Maybe next time you'll even post something about COVID, and not how definitely not upset you are that I called you out for being a disingenuous little shit

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

They're fucking with his church again in Canada:
https://facebook.com/ArturPawlowskifromCalgary/videos/4758095867550979
File is too large to attach, so here's a mirror:
https://streamable.com/o4j0s9

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I personally disagree with that decision and would rather you have total freedom of association, including niggers or Mexicans. In the meantime, you can press your case on how the SCOTUS hates freedom and has therefore outlawed this sort of practice if your employer tries to do it to you

"HA DEATH RATE LOW " is still pretending to be retarded.

It's an experimental vaccine and any demands it be mandatory, by public or private institutions is premature. Case law indicates experimental vaccines may not be forced (Doe v Rumsfeld 341 F. Supp. 2d 1, 6)

It's worth litigating and I would be happy to do so if I'm faced with a demand by an employer, school or business. I could use a large stimmy from the feds, no problem.

If you are trying to claim this shitty cold virus has the same lethality as smallpox, bubonic plague, the Spanish Flu or a filovirus then you are fucking retarded beyond hope.

 

[Autopsy]

It's an experimental vaccine and any demands it be mandatory, by public or private institutions is premature. Case law indicates experimental vaccines may not be forced (Doe v Rumsfeld 341 F. Supp. 2d 1, 6)

It's worth litigating and I would be happy to do so if I'm faced with a demand by an employer, school or business. I could use a large stimmy from the feds, no problem.

If you are trying to claim this shitty cold virus has the same lethality as smallpox, bubonic plague, the Spanish Flu or a filovirus then you are fucking retarded beyond hope.

The window I keep referring to about "tolerating refusal to vaccinate" is the space where the vaccines still need to get full approval, as you say. Once they have full approval, they will no longer be "experimental." That comes in four to ten months depending on how expedited the FDA makes the process, maybe sooner.

Also, bolded the part I'm referring to with this: quote me. Show me where I claimed "this shitty cold virus has the same lethality as smallpox, bubonic plague, the Spanish Flu."
Do it, faggot.

Edit: If it's based on the tiny sentence fragment you snipped out of a whole paragraph, I'm going to laugh at you. The point of that paragraph was the "GOTCHA! THE DEATH RATE IS LOW!" flier looks retarded because anyone two brain cells to rub together knows that vaccines are tracked by the rate of infection versus genpop. It wasn't commentary on whether the death rate is low or not.

 

[Smug Cat]

I'm glad you're coping well and I hope you have a good evening. Maybe next time you'll even post something about COVID, and not how definitely not upset you are that I called you out for being a disingenuous little shit

Hoes positively fuming lmao.

It's an experimental vaccine and any demands it be mandatory, by public or private institutions is premature. Case law indicates experimental vaccines may not be forced (Doe v Rumsfeld 341 F. Supp. 2d 1, 6)

It's worth litigating and I would be happy to do so if I'm faced with a demand by an employer, school or business. I could use a large stimmy from the feds, no problem.

If you are trying to claim this shitty cold virus has the same lethality as smallpox, bubonic plague, the Spanish Flu or a filovirus then you are fucking retarded beyond hope.

That case is super interesting, although since it specifically singles out the armed services I worry it may not translate well to private entities trying to mandate.

There is a lad employed by a county in New Mexico currently suing over mandatory vaccination in his workplace. It'll be interesting to see how that one shakes out. I haven't seen anything yet about cases being brought against private employers. I have heard that there's a big concern about civil liability for them, though.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The window I keep referring to about "tolerating refusal to vaccinate" is the space where the vaccines still need to get full approval, as you say. Once they have full approval, they will no longer be "experimental." That comes in four to ten months depending on how expedited the FDA makes the process, maybe sooner.

Also, bolded the part I'm referring to with this: quote me. Show me where I claimed "this shitty cold virus has the same lethality as smallpox, bubonic plague, the Spanish Flu."
Do it, faggot.

Edit: If it's based on the tiny sentence fragment you snipped out of a whole paragraph, I'm going to laugh at you. The point of that paragraph was the "GOTCHA! THE DEATH RATE IS LOW!" flier looks retarded because anyone two brain cells to rub together knows that vaccines are tracked by the rate of infection versus genpop. It wasn't commentary on whether the death rate is low or not.

There are reasons why the government or private entities cannot force anyone to be vaccinated against their will. One is because it violates their religious beliefs, and I am not even going to cite court cases because it has been codified into law across the entire United States.

It's either very lethal (which it is not), so lethal a virus it requires mass vaccination under the color of law, or its so mild that the vast majority of individuals survive, making vaccinations redundant and unnecessary.

You can't claim its both so which is it?

That case is super interesting, although since it specifically singles out the armed services I worry it may not translate well to private entities trying to mandate.

There is a lad employed by a county in New Mexico currently suing over mandatory vaccination in his workplace. It'll be interesting to see how that one shakes out. I haven't seen anything yet about cases being brought against private employers. I have heard that there's a big concern about civil liability for them, though.

Military personnel have fewer protections under the law than civilians so I believe it can be used as applicable precedent. I'd also like to see the New Mexico case filing, would be interesting.

 

[4AMPudding]

Bot sure if the newest research article has been posted here regarding the Pfizer vaccine but it has shown that the vaccine causes prion disease, which is a neurodegenerative disease like Alzheimers or Jakob-Creutzfeld disease. Prions are misfolded proteins in the brain that are aggressive in infecting/converting healthy proteins in the brain. Doing research in prion reversal myself, I can say the results are significant. "COVID-19 RNA based vaccines and the risk of prion disease" by J. Bart Classen.

Is this transmissable to people who have not gotten the vaccine? Are we all fucked or just the people who got the jab?

 

[Vecr]

TSEs are only transmissible if you eat CNS tissue, or possibly if you get a blood transfusion. Wear gloves and eyepro while providing medical aid (that you should already be doing because of HIV, etc) and you should be fine.

 

[NoReturn]

TSEs are only transmissible if you eat CNS tissue, or possibly if you get a blood transfusion. Wear gloves and eyepro while providing medical aid (that you should already be doing because of HIV, etc) and you should be fine.

So we didn't meme "Airborne CoronAIDS" into existence, correct?

 

[Autopsy]

There are reasons why the government or private entities cannot force anyone to be vaccinated against their will. One is because it violates their religious beliefs, and I am not even going to cite court cases because it has been codified into law across the entire United States.

It's either very lethal (which it is not), so lethal a virus it requires mass vaccination under the color of law, or its so mild that the vast majority of individuals survive, making vaccinations redundant and unnecessary.

Your objections are well founded but that absolutely does not matter, because they contradict reality as it stands. Exceptions are made for religious beliefs & disabilities, that does not preclude the policies "in general" that exist RIGHT NOW, policies which will most likely be extended to the COVID vaccines once they've been fully approved... which is what I was talking about, to put it on you antivaxfags' radars. Save it for your legal case, start talking about plans of action, or pretend it's not going to happen and get caught entirely flatfooted, I don't care.

Bolded: You have predicated your hot take on views that are not mine. I have not once advocated mass vaccination "under the color of law" and you can read any one of many posts I made stating the exact opposite.
Worse, a "vast majority" surviving does not make vaccinations redundant. There are negative outcomes other than dying, there are some people who are more vulnerable than others, and a rare chance of dying is still a chance of dying. Vaccinations are not redundant or "unnecessary" for those groups that have significantly worse odds, integrated across millions of people, it isn't redundant for healthcare workers who could spread it to vulnerable populations, or any of the other myriad circumstances that make caution far far better than incaution even if every hysterical antivax rumor and claim were true.
You should be embarrassed for thinking in that kind of braindead binary. I somehow doubt you will be. Start arguing honestly ("but the young are relatively safe!") and I can stop insulting you and start enjoying a nice chat about why or why not that may be ("yes, the young are relatively safe, here are some things to consider, but there's definitely way less of a reason for <30''s to get vaccinated if they don't want to.") as I already have, literally that exact back and forth, in this very thread.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

Tards REEEEEEEEing at me to get an elective medical procedure for a disease with a sub one percent death rate for which I belong to zero risk cohorts summons a primal urge to ignore it altogether, if only to piss these freaks off more. Covid cultists have been presumptuously barking orders at me as if I'm their personal servant for over a year now. I remain unconvinced that I or anyone I know will get much more than a throat tickle if I don't get the jab. I'm not getting it. I'm not playing into this hysteria. I don't give a shit how red in the face it makes you petty tyrants. I'm not even cutting off my nose to spite my face here- this disease poses no threat to me. It's mightily interesting how fucking mad that fact makes people, almost as if the point isn't my safety or theirs. It's the obedience they're after.

 

[Weppers]

Your objections are well founded but that absolutely does not matter, because they contradict reality as it stands. Exceptions are made for religious beliefs & disabilities, that does not preclude the policies "in general" that exist RIGHT NOW, policies which will most likely be extended to the COVID vaccines once they've been fully approved... which is what I was talking about, to put it on you antivaxfags' radars. Save it for your legal case, start talking about plans of action, or pretend it's not going to happen and get caught entirely flatfooted, I don't care.

Bolded: You have predicated your hot take on views that are not mine. I have not once advocated mass vaccination "under the color of law" and you can read any one of many posts I made stating the exact opposite.
Worse, a "vast majority" surviving does not make vaccinations redundant. There are negative outcomes other than dying, there are some people who are more vulnerable than others, and a rare chance of dying is still a chance of dying. Vaccinations are not redundant or "unnecessary" for those groups that have significantly worse odds, integrated across millions of people, it isn't redundant for healthcare workers who could spread it to vulnerable populations, or any of the other myriad circumstances that make caution far far better than incaution even if every hysterical antivax rumor and claim were true.
You should be embarrassed for thinking in that kind of braindead binary. I somehow doubt you will be. Start arguing honestly ("but the young are relatively safe!") and I can stop insulting you and start enjoying a nice chat about why or why not that may be ("yes, the young are relatively safe, here are some things to consider, but there's definitely way less of a reason for <30''s to get vaccinated if they don't want to.") as I already have, literally that exact back and forth, in this very thread.

fuck you and go be a faggot somewhere else