Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

[GenociderSyo]

I almost suspect that there will be a kind of Channeling Erik conclusion when Luna inevitably dies in the coming year or so. Perhaps an initial mourning period, maybe some initial dead-baby merch to test the waters, followed by full monetization of the dead baby, the fact that the baby is dead (more podcasts sure to follow). It's interesting to see where she could take it. I think Robyn being so adamantly anti-medical can't lead in any direction but "my child was murdered by the medical system but her light energy healing spirit lives on through me for a price of $55/session". And speaking of sessions, something tells me Robyn rakes in more money than she gives away with what's probably an unregistered, untaxed cash-in-hand home business.

She already beleived that three children spirits telepathy spoke to her before Luna was born and that they regularly speak to her. She beleives her and Luna and Atlas all speak telepathically, but that Luna is more versed in it. She already uses Luna in her sessions with others because Luna as far as she is concerned is a level 2 Reiki instructor as well due to her telepathy. People PAY for these sessions with Luna. So it's not much a stretch that this will continue long after Luna dies.

What if Robyn has more kids? At what point is this a decentralized cult, in the same way troons are?

She already plans to she states there were three spirits that came to her and said they were her children. She also flat out lied about doing a medically watched birth of her son and had him homebirth in the same way with instagram mommy's as her midwifes again.

It's definitely cultish, but it does not have the support troons have. Homebirthing is illegal in some states/countries. Especially the waterbirth aspect due to its dangers. I took a short self study on this to learn more I'll track down the book and post some of what I found out in a few.

 

[GenociderSyo]

A bit of info to put into perspective just how woo using two instagram mommys as midwives is:

There was a study done on 17, 000 PLANNED homebirths with actual trained medical professional as midwives that showed 10% required medical intervention and 5% required caesaran. That equates to 1,700 requiring hospital and about 850 requiring caesaran. This was with trained professionals and monitoring not the woo isntagram birth Robyn has had twice.

True midwives are licenced and trained. They require a BS and a MA in midwifery. Every US state requires a midwive to be licensed or they are illegally practicing medicine. They require certification every 3 to 5 years depending on the agency they are covered by.

Now a doula is a non-medical person who can support a woman during birth. They are there to support the process and help the mother feel better psychologically. Doulas have no part in a clinical role, medical duty or medical decision-making. There is push for this to begin to require certification because they are supposed to have at least minimal education in this area, but some have none and actually impede the medical process by telling doctors what to do.

"In a 2005 commentary, the Committee on Fetus and Newborn of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) released an analysis of the scientific literature regarding underwater births. The Committee noted several positive studies for underwater birth but went on to criticize them for lacking proper scientific controls, a significant number of infant deaths and diseases, and the general lack of information to support the use of water births.
The safety and efficacy of underwater birth for the newborn has not been established. There is no convincing evidence of benefit to the neonate but some concern for serious harm. Therefore, underwater birth should be considered an experimental procedure that should not be performed except within the context of an appropriately designed RCT after informed parental consent."

Risks of Waterbirth:
You or your baby could get an infection.
The umbilical cord could snap before your baby comes out of the water.
Your baby’s body temperature could be too high or too low.
Your baby could breathe in bath water and drown/dry-drown.
Your baby could have seizures or not be able to breathe.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

A bit of info to put into perspective just how woo using two instagram mommys as midwives is:

There was a study done on 17, 000 PLANNED homebirths with actual trained medical professional as midwives that showed 10% required medical intervention and 5% required caesaran. That equates to 1,700 requiring hospital and about 850 requiring caesaran. This was with trained professionals and monitoring not the woo isntagram birth Robyn has had twice.

True midwives are licenced and trained. They require a BS and a MA in midwifery. Every US state requires a midwive to be licensed or they are illegally practicing medicine. They require certification every 3 to 5 years depending on the agency they are covered by.

Now a doula is a non-medical person who can support a woman during birth. They are there to support the process and help the mother feel better psychologically. Doulas have no part in a clinical role, medical duty or medical decision-making. There is push for this to begin to require certification because they are supposed to have at least minimal education in this area, but some have none and actually impede the medical process by telling doctors what to do.

"In a 2005 commentary, the Committee on Fetus and Newborn of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) released an analysis of the scientific literature regarding underwater births. The Committee noted several positive studies for underwater birth but went on to criticize them for lacking proper scientific controls, a significant number of infant deaths and diseases, and the general lack of information to support the use of water births.
The safety and efficacy of underwater birth for the newborn has not been established. There is no convincing evidence of benefit to the neonate but some concern for serious harm. Therefore, underwater birth should be considered an experimental procedure that should not be performed except within the context of an appropriately designed RCT after informed parental consent."

Risks of Waterbirth:
You or your baby could get an infection.
The umbilical cord could snap before your baby comes out of the water.
Your baby’s body temperature could be too high or too low.
Your baby could breathe in bath water and drown/dry-drown.
Your baby could have seizures or not be able to breathe.

I’ve never understood the whole woo-natural water birth thing. We aren’t fish. Nothing natural about giving birth in water for humans. There is nothing natural whatsoever about inflating a big polyester tub, with forced bubbles and a water heater, in the middle of your living room.

You’d think “natural birth” crazies would go out into the woods and give birth by moonlight or some shit, not use a plastic, electric hot tub indoors. Even a rustic cabin with some boiling water, hay, string, knife and clean sheets would be close to “ye old all natural births” of yesteryear.

(I do understand hot tubs can help during labor to help reduce pain, but the actual giving birth in them is the weird part. Hell of a warm plastic Petri dish to welcome a newborn into the world.)

 

[interalia]

I’ve never understood the whole woo-natural water birth thing. We aren’t fish. Nothing natural about giving birth in water for humans. There is nothing natural whatsoever about inflating a big polyester tub, with forced bubbles and a water heater, in the middle of your living room.

You’d think “natural birth” crazies would go out into the woods and give birth by moonlight or some shit, not use a plastic, electric hot tub indoors. Even a rustic cabin with some boiling water, hay, string, knife and clean sheets would be close to “ye old all natural births” of yesteryear.

(I do understand hot tubs can help during labor to help reduce pain, but the actual giving birth in them is the weird part. Hell of a warm plastic Petri dish to welcome a newborn into the world.)

What's the origin of this, anyway? It can't be older than the 1970s.

 

[MysticMisty]

I think it's more simple than that. Any medical professional the media would consult would immediately be able to point to Luna's condition being 100% her mother's fault. With that information, what kind of segment exactly would the news do? They'd have to include that piece of info; not doing so would be criminally irresponsible. But running anything uncritical of Robyn would be seen as condoning her awful behavior and beliefs. (Also anything critical she'd never appear to be in.)

Regardless of what you think of Gwen Hartley personally, I think most people would agree that she was good in front of the camera, could conduct herself in interviews and knew how to sell herself as a ~relatable~ mother with two poop goblins.

Robyn is no Gwen Hartley. Robyn is as likable as a fucking root canal. She has no charisma and no relatability and like I said in a previous post, her beliefs are bizarre and not at all mainstream. Who the fuck is going to want to watch a sociopathic woo woo claim she can communicate telepathically with her brainless child with a face locked in an eternal primal scream, all while she waves around some Chinese lead factory dyed quartz to cleanse and bless the air?

Any news segment on Robyn and Luna would make viewers sick to their stomachs.

I don't know about that. When Jahi McMath died the first time it was a major news story, but the media only reported just what Mama Nails told them at full face value, ie it was only a "simple" tonsillectomy and they did everything just right, when Jahi said she was hungry they totally only gave her a popsicle, and then she suddenly bled out and died totally wasn't dead because racist white people (in an Oakland hospital). They didn't bother to look into anything else and that was way more high profile. So why would they bother to even check out Luna's story? Really, I think they took one look at her swelling head and fled.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

What's the origin of this, anyway? It can't be older than the 1970s.

Portable hot tubs have only been a thing for the last fifteen years or so, so using them in home births is relatively recent.

Water births became a thing in the late 1970’s thanks to all the hippies. Getting a whole pool apparatus to let women give birth in was a big undertaken in the 70’s. Then gradually birthing centers started installing hot tubs for labor and it goes from there.

Of course the water birth nuts will point to island people giving birth in the shallow of the ocean, but giving birth in oceanic salt water is very different from artificial hot tub births.

https://activebirthpools.com/history-water-birth/

 

[GenociderSyo]

So it appears shes getting a lot of shit starting 3 or 4 months ago and contining now from commenters realizing that she harmed Luna with her decisions. This is from her birht story post:

Also, missed her tags for the birhstory post before:

 

[Synthwave Obsessed]

I think it's more simple than that. Any medical professional the media would consult would immediately be able to point to Luna's condition being 100% her mother's fault. With that information, what kind of segment exactly would the news do? They'd have to include that piece of info; not doing so would be criminally irresponsible. But running anything uncritical of Robyn would be seen as condoning her awful behavior and beliefs. (Also anything critical she'd never appear to be in.)

Regardless of what you think of Gwen Hartley personally, I think most people would agree that she was good in front of the camera, could conduct herself in interviews and knew how to sell herself as a ~relatable~ mother with two poop goblins.

Robyn is no Gwen Hartley. Robyn is as likable as a fucking root canal. She has no charisma and no relatability and like I said in a previous post, her beliefs are bizarre and not at all mainstream. Who the fuck is going to want to watch a sociopathic woo woo claim she can communicate telepathically with her brainless child with a face locked in an eternal primal scream, all while she waves around some Chinese lead factory dyed quartz to cleanse and bless the air?

Any news segment on Robyn and Luna would make viewers sick to their stomachs.

The media doesn't operate or think in broad strokes like how most normal people did before their opinions came from the media. People have this odd trust of news organizations that is almost on the level of "best friend" status. They tend to believe whatever opinion piece the news says just because it came from their trusted news source. Because of this, I believe that it would be easier than you might initially believe to spin this story into a sympathy piece. Most of us here won't fall for the bullshit I'll weave below, but someone unfamiliar with Robin and her antics would.

Robin Grogitsky-Ramirez, known online by the moniker Empathic Nutritionist, is one of thousands in the United States that is suffering from the prohibitively expensive cost of healthcare. In January 2019, Robin chose to forego having her child at a hospital because of concerns over the cost of birth, which could be up to $11,000 with insurance. (some other big name news source, year) This prohibitive cost is comparable to that of a certified pre-owned car you could buy at a dealership. For most families, buying a car might take months of planning and making sure your finances are good to go. Unfortunately, pregnancy can sometimes be a surprise. This might be pleasant for some, or a nightmare for others. Some couples might choose to go with an abortion, but this procedure also has its own cost; ethically and financially. Because of these reasons, Robin birthed Luna, 3, at home, with no medical assistance from professionals. As a result, Luna has <blah blah, which blah blah...>
<something something emotional toll>
<something something the financial cost has been higher than Robin could have anticipated>
<something something the United States needs socialized medicine NOW because this could be you>
<something something doctored "interview">

I'm sure you get the idea. With how the media sees dollar signs when it comes to discussing politics, I am about 85% certain that they would go with a political angle just to sell Robin's story. She doesn't need to be "likable" when all they have to do is edit footage around to make her sound as relatable as possible. It is expensive, but the cost is irrelevant when you can farm clicks off people's emotions. The truth is irrelevant when you can force the reader to feel pity for the victim, and redirect their anger at some uncontrollable force that the average person cannot control.

The media would 100% have to put a content warning before Luna, though. I've seen some fucked up shit on this website, but Luna easily is the worst for me. It might not be as graphic as the IP2 thread, the horrors of sex reassignment surgery, or posts that document child predators but this one just really gets me. When Kiwis look at something and find it repulsive, that's how you know normal folks would be outright disturbed by the content.

 

[Smug Cat]

That appears to be what happened. It was noticing something "wrong with her eyes" that brought her in. At first she completed accepted her child was terminal, when she didnt die as quickly as she was told the woo that already existed went into over drive.

Also the original diagnosis I am finding out was worse then though. Luna already had portions of her brain "missing" aka completely atrophied by that point. This explains even more the fact doctors thought it was futile.

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

I've been cheerily chugging along in this thread thus far but that picture of Luna with the crystals in her head dimple finally succeeded in making me queasy and MATI. She is in pain. She has no skull there. What on god's green earth would possess this fucking demonspawn hellwoman to put hard/sharp objects in there? I know, I know, sociopathic narcissism, but jesus christ. Fucking Hitler would not deserve to be reincarnated into this.

 

[interalia]

I've been cheerily chugging along in this thread thus far but that picture of Luna with the crystals in her head dimple finally succeeded in making me queasy and MATI. She is in pain. She has no skull there. What on god's green earth would possess this fucking demonspawn hellwoman to put hard/sharp objects in there? I know, I know, sociopathic narcissism, but jesus christ. Fucking Hitler would not deserve to be reincarnated into this.

Hitler would unironically be the merciful one: he'd have had Luna put out of her misery instead of kept on the edge of death like this.

 

[Antarctic Hellbeast]

I am still amazed Luna is still somehow alive.

She's already dead as in will never have a normal life thanks to that stupid cunt.

Hitler would unironically be the merciful one: he'd have had Luna put out of her misery instead of kept on the edge of death like this.

Narcissists will Narc and even use her dead corpse as something to virtue signal for social status.

In the olden days these cunts would be called witches and a stake would be waiting for them as a consequence for this evil bullshit.

 

[Y'all Might]

So it appears shes getting a lot of shit starting 3 or 4 months ago and contining now from commenters realizing that she harmed Luna with her decisions. This is from her birht story post:
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Also, missed her tags for the birhstory post before:
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I've already posted this in Tard Baby General, but I think this post from one of her commenters bears repeating:

And on the Go Shout Love account, this gem:

Luna might be a Megamind lookin' ass, but Robyn's head is metaphorically much larger.

 

[Synthwave Obsessed]

<SNIP>
And on the Go Shout Love account, this gem:
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Luna might be a Megamind lookin' ass, but Robyn's head is metaphorically much larger.

Any time there is a tard baby or a horribly disfigured animal that can't care for itself, people always come out of the woodwork to comment off "bless this angel" or some other empty statement. How void do your lives have to be to comment something you know isn't true in an attempt to feel better about yourself? Good job on textbook virtue signalling, now go and conveniently ignore a situation you could change.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

I've already posted this in Tard Baby General, but I think this post from one of her commenters bears repeating:
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And on the Go Shout Love account, this gem:
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Luna might be a Megamind lookin' ass, but Robyn's head is metaphorically much larger.

That go shout love page is nothing but tard baby virtue porn.

 

[Johnl260589]

Well, her Instagram page is no longer private lol

 

[GenociderSyo]

Well, her Instagram page is no longer private lol

Probly realized no one could see her shilling her courses if it was private.

 

[Johnl260589]

Interesting. I thought she didn’t have any ultrasounds? Maybe I missed something lol

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

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Interesting. I thought she didn’t have any ultrasounds? Maybe I missed something lol

It can be done via blood tests but if she had one at 17 weeks it sounds like an anatomy scan. I could actually see Robyn getting an (((evil)))) ultrasound just to have one of those godawful gender reveal parties though.

 

[Igrotnik_flopnik]

god, i hope that other kid is retarded as well, because if he is normal and has to grow up in his sisters shadow, thats going to fuck up the poor kid even more than his retarded mother.

 

[Vi0l3t]

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Interesting. I thought she didn’t have any ultrasounds? Maybe I missed something lol

You can learn gender more accurately via blood test. All them natural pregnancy and birth books did nothing for her