Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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[Salubrious]

Oh sure yeah Texas and Florida are just hoarding corpses in secret.

To be fair, I am convinced all of the numbers are bullshit.

When they flat out stated that anyone that tested.positive in the autopsy would count as a "COVID death", I knew some bullshit would be pulled.

In fact, I am still convinced that the US inflated numbers in 2020 because it was the main talking point in the election. Now they are doing it just to keep everyone locked down.

I mean, it's not like not trusting the government is a bad idea. I just know in this case that they are doing it because "people aren't afraid enough."

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

India is so gross people who expected it to be NOT what it is can have nervous breakdowns when they arrive in the country.

Did I miss the Stanford study? I have the Danish one in my personal dossier.

India is the grossest place I’ve ever been, and I’ve been to multiple African countries *and* Fort Hood.

 

[Ear]

I know you're being sarcastic, but I need to write this out for my own sanity because most of my family are Super-Karen levels of paranoid.

Humans have survived literal bubonic plagues, in times where medicine was far far less advanced than it is now.

Then again, humans in general might also be more physically weakened than at any point in our history. I believe that the top humans are more powerful than ever (records are made to be broken), but the median is far far weaker.

I read somewhere that the European famines of the early 1300s might have been partially why plague death toll was so catastrophic - crap diet during your formative years = fucked adult health and resilience.

I don't know. We're fat and sedentary in a way that medieval peasants weren't, but we're also not riddled with parasites and untreated diseases, most of us have had a bath since Michaelmas, and are food-secure in a way they could only dream of.

 

[NoReturn]

India is the grossest place I’ve ever been, and I’ve been to multiple African countries *and* Fort Hood.

It is truly a mystery why such a country might have issues with disease.

 

[knobslobbin]

If you teach them basic sanitation their population will be 3 billion within a week, with a shit tsunami 1000 ft high sweeping the globe on week 2.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

One of the youngest victims in Ontario died of Covid-19. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/13-year-...-same-day-she-was-taken-to-hospital-1.5402183 ( https://archive.ph/tfIMz )

TORONTO -- A 13-year-old girl from Brampton has become one of the youngest people in Ontario to die of COVID-19.

Mayor Patrick Brown confirmed the death of Emily Victoria Viegas on Sunday evening, tweeting his condolences to the family.

"This is beyond heart wrenching. As a parent, I am lost for words. Horrifying," Brown said on social media.

Speaking to CP24 on Monday morning, Brown added that the family was “well regarded” in Brampton and enjoyed ball hockey.

“Words don’t describe this type of loss. So needless, so preventable,” he said. “When you think about a loss like this, it stings. It stings not just the family, the neighbour, the friends, classmates, the hospital, staff and health-care workers—imagine trying to resuscitate a 13-year-old, it’s just beyond your worst nightmare.”

The girl’s father was an essential worker at a warehouse, the mayor said.

Health-care workers at William Osler Health System held a news conference on Monday afternoon, saying that Viegas died on the same day she was admitted to Brampton Civic Hospital on Thursday.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

One of the youngest victims in Ontario died of Covid-19. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/13-year-...-same-day-she-was-taken-to-hospital-1.5402183 ( https://archive.ph/tfIMz )

It's sad and all, but even the article shows how exceedingly rare this has been. It took a year for it to happen once to someone this young there with only two other 19 year olds in a year dying in that age range. A handful of kids and teens die every flu season, too, but we don't make any changes in our life for that.

It just manipulates people on their emotional desire to protect children.

 

[Inkleborque]

One of the youngest victims in Ontario died of Covid-19. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/13-year-...-same-day-she-was-taken-to-hospital-1.5402183 ( https://archive.ph/tfIMz )

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[knobslobbin]

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Oh no, we lost another morbidly obese to this horrific disease! Shutdown the country!!!!

I'd be onboard if we were only shutting down the country for fat fucks.

edit: as soon as I read the article and saw no picture I knew (fat)

 

[NoReturn]

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Every damn time. The parents killed their daughter.

 

[knobslobbin]

Think of the chirrens people! Why is McDonald's still open?!!?!?!

(Ok I got it out of my system. I miss r/fph)

 

[Ruin]

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250 fucking pounds at 5,3 at age 13 means her idiot parents killed her not Covid.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

If you haven't become a die-hard Empiricist by now, there's no hope for you. I wear a monocle and have a wax stamp that says "Experimental Scientist", tbh most of my studies are concerned with why are American bitches so DUMB rather than China Virus, but the point stands. John Locke would be disappoint in people today.

Seriously though, I think it's better and more honest to just say you dunno at this point rather than using extremely suspect data from extremelier suspect people to draw (extremely specific) conclusions. That's where the doomers and very smarts are wrong, their fundamentals are shot. I may dunno exactly what and how much China Virus kills, but I know that it's not particularly dangerous through simple empirical observation and anecdotal evidence. Making decisive claims about how we should behave, policy, masks, lockdowns, and so on like doomers continue to do is pretty silly.

Do they really know? For example, I actually know that the virus had little effect on me, that it had little effect on others in my circle who encompass a fairly wide spectrum of ages and health conditions, and that it failed to kill my 82 year old diabetic, heart diseased grandma... who also refused to go to the doctor for like a week and arrived with 80% double pneumonia.

I am confident in my knowledge. I do not need to lecture anyone, I do not need to invent scenarios in my head. In fact, I don't really think about China Virus at all.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I read somewhere that the European famines of the early 1300s might have been partially why plague death toll was so catastrophic - crap diet during your formative years = fucked adult health and resilience.

I don't know. We're fat and sedentary in a way that medieval peasants weren't, but we're also not riddled with parasites and untreated diseases, most of us have had a bath since Michaelmas, and are food-secure in a way they could only dream of.

I don't buy that explanation, unless it can carry over to China and the Middle East, because those places got hit just as bad. There were provinces of China with 90% death rates, just as bad as the worst in Europe.

 

[SBG]

I read somewhere that the European famines of the early 1300s might have been partially why plague death toll was so catastrophic - crap diet during your formative years = fucked adult health and resilience.

I don't know. We're fat and sedentary in a way that medieval peasants weren't, but we're also not riddled with parasites and untreated diseases, most of us have had a bath since Michaelmas, and are food-secure in a way they could only dream of.

We also have a population that is so obese that over 9% has type 2 diabetes(the fat one), meaning a fuck ton of people that are in a state where they must be permanently treated with insulin just to exist. So it's more like we're riddled with treated diseases and are maintaining a delicate balance with the treatments we have available to prevent a large portion of the population from dying to their own choices.

 

[knobslobbin]

Wasn't someone in this thread just the other day reassuring us plebes that despite the surge in VAERS data no *real* doctor is blaming any deaths or complications on the vaccines **scoffs in highbrow**

I guess this doctor isn't a real one

Yeah don't trust your gut on this one, the smart people will tell you if it's safe or not. There's a video going around on vidmax and leakedreality of service members answering if they are getting the vaccine, it's refreshing to watch

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Fuck off, you're not my dad.
You've thrown in "anti vax" doctors and "over reporting" into your interpretation of my take, no, the claim is that docs and patients have underreported personal health outcomes relative to the population standards you would expect to see in the past (i.e every week 100 people throw a clot regardless of vaccination status, every week 50 of those people are vaccinated, only 1 of those 50 people bother to put it in VAERS which indicates a lower than normal rate of clotting for vaccinated people if taken seriously), which is a well-documented phenomenon.
The claim is rather that they've stopped underreporting now. Pro-vaccine doctors have more reasons to add info on experimental vaccines to VAERS than anyone else. There's more than enough reason to think that public interest is turning under-reporting into over-reporting (not by docs, but specifically random ass people with the V-safe app), but I still have zero interest in demonstrating why I believe so if you're going to argue about it in bad faith. Protip: alleging that the entire medical system is conspiring to kill babies and maim Americans as the basis for your objections is bad faith.
You're also back to claiming that VAERS data is causal, which is actually backtracking from your more accurate conclusion that "trends" are what matter.

While I really shouldn't, I will at least throw you a bone on the age distribution of vaccinations, because I think you just didn't take the point the right way. 69.8% of 65+ers are estimated to have received Flu shots from 2019-2020 based on distribution, while 81.3% of 65+ers have had at least one dose.
Relative quantity of elderly taking COVID vax vs Flu is 1.16:1, and they are the major contributor to fatality reports by medical staff specifically. I imagine the numbers becomes more stark if you break down categories at the 50+ level instead of 65+, but this wasn't my claim to justify in the first place (I picked it up after another lad mentioned it), and I think this is more than enough to demonstrate it's not totally unfounded.

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I can't help it, I really do want to inform and not just shit on retards or these posts would be so much goddamn shorter.

I'm not going to go over the rest of your post because it would be reiterating things I've already told you and praying you read it this time, but I will clarify the last bit. When I said someone else claimed it first, I was referring to this post, not you:

The data supports this view as one factor contributing to changes in expected coincidental deaths following vaccination, as I demonstrated.

was absolutely an overstatement on my part, my B. I could have phrased it as "more frequently," perhaps, and I should have also better emphasized that seasonal Flu compliance has somewhat less to do with comorbidities while COVID has been very preferentially given to people with comorbidities, another potential factor.

 

[wry wrangler]

A 13 year old girl died after contracting covid, and the news breathlessly reported on what an awful tragedy it was and how covid is surely ravaging young people as well as old. But none of the news articles actually say she died from covid. In fact, they all seem to go out of their way to avoid including the cause of the girl's death, weaseling around that fact by just stating she died after testing positive for covid and then blathering on about the tragedy of it. She could have been killed by anything, probably except covid because if she had actually died of covid the media wouldn'tshut up about it. Here's an example:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7808777/brampton-girl-dies-covid-19-coronavirus/

A 13-year-old Brampton girl has died after testing positive for COVID-19, becoming one of the youngest victims of the virus in Ontario.

A GoFundMe created by a friend of the family, Adrian Goddard, said Emily Victoria Viegas died on April 22.

Goddard told Global News he was a friend of Viegas’ father, Carlos Viegas through ball hockey and that he had met Emily a few times over the years.

It is obvious propaganda to me, but there are still people out there fooled by these stories.

 

[remiem]

A 13 year old girl died after contracting covid, and the news breathlessly reported on what an awful tragedy it was and how covid is surely ravaging young people as well as old. But none of the news articles actually say she died from covid. In fact, they all seem to go out of their way to avoid including the cause of the girl's death, weaseling around that fact by just stating she died after testing positive for covid and then blathering on about the tragedy of it. She could have been killed by anything, probably except covid because if she had actually died of covid the media wouldn'tshut up about it. Here's an example:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7808777/brampton-girl-dies-covid-19-coronavirus/

It is obvious propaganda to me, but there are still people out there fooled by these stories.

Something about this story seems weirdly sinister to me. I know she was morbidly obese for her age but the way the father talks about her in some articles really gives me a super uncomfortable feeling. It's also super weird how almost all of the photos the media posted of her are blurry, same with the gofundme, as if whoever was taking them just didn't care to get a clear picture.

The fact that he just gave her tylenol and encouraged her to eat and drink but didn't call the hospital even when she was obviously struggling to breathe, knowing his wife was admitted and sick with covid, does not sit right with me.

Edit; We've also had cases of a toddler and a infant dying from/with Covid in Canada. I think both had pre-existing conditions but their names were never released and I haven't seen families talking about them. The near immediate release of this child's name seems like they're trying to monetize the tragedy of her death.