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Well I'm not going to deny that the U.S. doesn't have a history of far-right extremist groups which can range from the historical examples such as the 'Ku Klux Klan' to the unhinged far-right extremist groups that you can find on the Internet in the present day then.

However, my issue that I have with the left is that they refuse to acknowledge that they also have a history of many acts domestic terrorism and extremism in various Western countries.

The best example that I can think at the top of my head is the 'Weather Underground' organization which was at the time this far-left organization that had dedicated itself in overthrowing the American government and establish a new communist state. They did things that ranged from committing arson attacks towards the homes of government officials and a university to actually bombing the Pentagon at the time. This group was an unhinged hippie group that wanted to take matters into their own hands because they believed at the time that they were "fighting fascism" when really they only harmed lots of people in the process.

So the way I see it, I can really see the 'Black Lives Matter' movement become more and more batshit insane and eventually devolve into Weather Underground 2.0 and we'll probably see them start a ton of shitshows in the process then.
The dumb thing is that the KKK was from the outset the most overhyped far-right group in American history. Most of the dirty work in fending off Reconstruction and restoring the Southern social order after the war was done by the Red Shirts, White League, Saber Clubs and so forth, while Nathan Bedford Forrest found out about lynchings and pulled the plug on the Klan almost immediately. The only thing they had going from them is that image of the Klan rider which appealed very much to lost-cause romanticism, causing Birth of a Nation to be such a smash hit. It probably also drew all the fire from the feds for similar reasons.
 
The dumb thing is that the KKK was from the outset the most overhyped far-right group in American history. Most of the dirty work in fending off Reconstruction and restoring the Southern social order after the war was done by the Red Shirts, White League, Saber Clubs and so forth, while Nathan Bedford Forrest found out about lynchings and pulled the plug on the Klan almost immediately. The only thing they had going from them is that image of the Klan rider which appealed very much to lost-cause romanticism, causing Birth of a Nation to be such a smash hit. It probably also drew all the fire from the feds for similar reasons.
So, just like the modern Klan then? Lots of flash, not a lot of fire?
 
The dumb thing is that the KKK was from the outset the most overhyped far-right group in American history. Most of the dirty work in fending off Reconstruction and restoring the Southern social order after the war was done by the Red Shirts, White League, Saber Clubs and so forth, while Nathan Bedford Forrest found out about lynchings and pulled the plug on the Klan almost immediately. The only thing they had going from them is that image of the Klan rider which appealed very much to lost-cause romanticism, causing Birth of a Nation to be such a smash hit. It probably also drew all the fire from the feds for similar reasons.

Daily reminder that the KKK was originally organized to run a White Man out out Tennessee.

The KKK (and various offshoots) from 1867 to 1964 was involved in - and involved in, mind you, not solely responsible for - about 1300 lynchings and serious beatings iirc. The "peak years" of the Klan, the 1920-1930s, they managed 264. That is not 264 year, that is 264 TOTAL, across the US & Canada. A black person in the south had better odds of being struck by lightning than being targeted by the KKK.

And yes, Nathan Bedford Forrest found lynchings and beatings completely abhorent. The KKK was an organization founded by Democrats to scrare off Republicans after all.
 
I saw this the other day
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Sen. Elizabeth Warren fled the Capitol on Jan. 6 from a mob she later called domestic terrorists. Now she and another Senate Democratic leader are standing up for their attackers' rights as criminal defendants.

Most of the 300-plus people charged with participating in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot have been released while they await trial, but dozens of those deemed to be dangerous, flight risks or at high risk of obstructing justice were ordered held without bond. D.C. jail officials later determined that all Capitol detainees would be placed in so-called restrictive housing — a move billed as necessary to keep the defendants safe, as well as guards and other inmates. But that means 23-hour-a-day isolation for the accused, even before their trials begin.

And such treatment doesn't sit well with Warren or Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), two of the chamber's fiercest critics of solitary confinement.

“Solitary confinement is a form of punishment that is cruel and psychologically damaging,” Warren said in an interview. “And we’re talking about people who haven’t been convicted of anything yet.”

The Massachusetts Democrat, a member of Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer's leadership team, said that while some limited uses of solitary confinement are justified, she’s worried that law enforcement officials are deploying it to “punish” the Jan. 6 defendants or to “break them so that they will cooperate.”

Her sentiments are shared by Durbin, who also chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee and expressed surprise that all of the detained Jan. 6 defendants were being kept in so-called “restrictive housing.” While their defense of accused rioters' rights as criminal defendants is unlikely to change the Justice Department's handling of those cases, it's a notable case of prominent progressives using their political clout to amplify their criminal justice reform calls even on behalf of Donald Trump supporters who besieged the entire legislative branch in January.

Durbin, who has long sought to eradicate solitary confinement, told POLITICO that such conditions should be a “rare exception," for accused insurrectionists or any other prisoners.

“There has to be a clear justification for that, in very limited circumstances,” he said.

D.C. government officials say the pandemic already has sharply limited freedom of movement in the jail where most Jan. 6 defendants are held. In fact, the entire jail has been subject to strict lockdown procedures since the onset of the pandemic, a determination that has caused broader controversy about prisoners' rights. But restrictive housing is a maximum-security designation, and the blanket designation for the Capitol defendants — which isn't expected to ease even if pandemic era restrictions do — is a notable decision for a large group of inmates who have yet to be tried for their alleged crimes.

Asked about the Democratic senators’ concerns, a spokesperson for the D.C. Department of Corrections touted the growing number of educational programs and limited amenity access that inmates are now offered.

“We appreciate the concern, patience and support of our neighbors as we work to keep all within DOC safe, as well as support the public safety of all in the District,” said spokesperson Keena Blackmon.

Warren and Durbin's interest in the conditions facing detained Jan. 6 defendants come amid a massive Justice Department push to arrest and prosecute the hundreds of people who breached the Capitol and threatened the peaceful transfer of power to the Biden administration.

Dozens of men locked up in D.C.’s jail were deemed by prosecutors and judges as the most egregious participants in the Jan. 6 violence, a status that hardly appears to afford them sympathy. Still, as their numbers have grown, those defendants' plight has drawn attention from federal judges and defense lawyers.
Warren and Durbin, of course, were also targets of the very rioters whom they’re now speaking up for. In fact, one detained defendant — Ronald Sandlin — is charged with being among the first to attempt to breach the Senate chamber, tangling with Capitol Police officers outside the gallery doors just as senators escaped to safety.

Sandlin recently read a statement in court describing the conditions he's being held in as “mental torture.”

When another defendant, Lisa Eisenhart, challenged these conditions as unconstitutional last month and demanded a transfer to another jail, the D.C. government defended its decision in court.

“A policy that is reasonably related to a legitimate government objective in running a correctional facility does not amount to punishment, even when the policy is applied to a pretrial inmate,” Stephanie Litos, an attorney for the city, said in a recent filing that acknowledged the city's policy applied to all Jan. 6 pretrial detainees.

After the city’s legal filing, Judge Royce Lamberth rejected Eisenhart’s challenge. (She was later released after an appeals court ruling undercut the government’s case for her detention.) But the longer that the Capitol defendants languish — prosecutors say it could be months before they fully scour the evidence they’ve obtained from the insurrection — the more loudly they are sounding the alarm about the toll their isolation has taken.

“This is not normal. It’s not normal to isolate people and make them eat on their floor,” said Marty Tankleff, a defense attorney representing two detained defendants, Edward Lang and Dominic Pezzola.

Tankleff, who himself was imprisoned for nearly two decades on a murder conviction before his 2008 exoneration, urged other lawmakers who see the Jan. 6 defendants' conditions as unjust to contact him.

Attorneys for a slew of other accused rioters, meanwhile, say their clients' conditions have made it nearly impossible to conduct genuine attorney-client meetings. Two defendants have contracted Covid in the D.C. jail, and one, Ryan Samsel, claims he was beaten by a prison guard and left with permanent eye damage. That incident is under investigation, according to judges and federal authorities.

At a hearing last month, detained riot defendant Richard Barnett — charged in part for breaking into Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office and posing for a now-infamous picture with his feet on her office desk — lamented the conditions he is facing while awaiting trial.

“I’ve been here a long time. ... It’s not fair,” Barnett said. “You’re letting everyone else out. I need help.”

Others have lodged complaints about access to needed medication or health monitoring, prompting intervention from judges. One, Jacob Chansley, won a transfer to a prison in Alexandria, Va., after the D.C. jail said it was too onerous to provide him organic food that he argued was necessary to comport with his spiritual practice.

Some Jan. 6 defendants have contended that there is a racial component to their treatment: Most are white — some affiliated with white nationalist groups — while most D.C. inmates and prison guards are Black.

Judge Paul Friedman said last week that those concerns are “not necessarily illegitimate.”

“It may be that some of the people arrested on Jan. 6 are white supremacists” or that they’re perceived to be, he added.

Insurrection detainees are not completely isolated from the outside world. While in their cells, they have access to tablet computers they can use to trade messages with friends and family members. They can also see other accused rioters during the one hour a day that they are given outside their cell, although it is also their only opportunity for a shower, exercise and contact with their attorneys.

But as the defendants' complaints grew, so did the involvement of federal district court judges in Washington. Judge Emmet Sullivan indicated last week that he planned to meet with D.C. Department of Corrections officials to discuss the Jan. 6 detainees' conditions.

Though he didn’t divulge the results of that meeting at a hearing this week, Sullivan notably encouraged one defendant’s attorney to seek his confinement in Georgia, where he was arrested. In that state, Sullivan noted, the accused wouldn’t necessarily be placed in solitary confinement by default.
 
Daily reminder that the KKK was originally organized to run a White Man out out Tennessee.

The KKK (and various offshoots) from 1867 to 1964 was involved in - and involved in, mind you, not solely responsible for - about 1300 lynchings and serious beatings iirc. The "peak years" of the Klan, the 1920-1930s, they managed 264. That is not 264 year, that is 264 TOTAL, across the US & Canada. A black person in the south had better odds of being struck by lightning than being targeted by the KKK.

And yes, Nathan Bedford Forrest found lynchings and beatings completely abhorent. The KKK was an organization founded by Democrats to scrare off Republicans after all.
Technically, you're right. But they were formed in a society complacent with their beliefs of race superiority. It's rather disturbing to see the KKK dismissed as a nothingburger especially when the popular argument against them is that the Democrats founded them.
 
Technically, you're right. But they were formed in a society complacent with their beliefs of race superiority. It's rather disturbing to see the KKK dismissed as a nothingburger especially when the popular argument against them is that the Democrats founded them.

The first clan was a nothing burger. Most of the members were not "members". It was mainly a Confederate VFW for the first few years, and most of their ire was directed at white republicans. Their views on race were not out of line for the time, and in fact while carpet baggers were talking about integration there were still anti-miscegenation laws on the books in many northern states.

It was the second Klan that got up to all the race-baiting shennanigans, and even then hilariously it was more rage directed at more white people: Irish and Italian immigrants. Sorry my mistake; irish and eye-talians are not white.

The KKK have killed fewer blacks than the Crips. But because that is nigger-on-nigger violence, no one gives a shit.
 
Daily reminder that the KKK was originally organized to run a White Man out out Tennessee.

The KKK (and various offshoots) from 1867 to 1964 was involved in - and involved in, mind you, not solely responsible for - about 1300 lynchings and serious beatings iirc. The "peak years" of the Klan, the 1920-1930s, they managed 264. That is not 264 year, that is 264 TOTAL, across the US & Canada. A black person in the south had better odds of being struck by lightning than being targeted by the KKK.

And yes, Nathan Bedford Forrest found lynchings and beatings completely abhorent. The KKK was an organization founded by Democrats to scrare off Republicans after all.

I was curious, so I decided to fact-check this.

Spartacus Educational - "Between 1865 and 1965 over 2400 African Americans were lynched in the United States" - consistent with the 1300 figure if roughly half of those lynchings involved the KKK.

Smithsonian Magazine - "The survey details nearly 2,000 racial terror lynchings of black men, women and children during the Reconstruction era of 1865 to 1876" - possibly still consistent with the above if they started out in high-ish frequency then petered out into the 20th century.

From the same source - "The new study, [...] brings the overall death toll between 1865 and 1950 to nearly 6,500." - wait, that's nearly three times as much. What gives?

Wikipedia - "According to the Tuskegee Institute, 4,743 people were lynched between 1882 and 1968 in the United States, including 3,446 African Americans and 1,297 whites." - oh, so the 6,500 figure was presumably also a quarter to a third white people? Good to know.


Okay, so 2 out of 3 sources place it somewhat higher than expected. But not to be dismayed, let's look at lightning.

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4 deaths per million peson-years is an overestimate for most of the 20th century, but is definitely an underestimate for the 19th century. According to Wikipedia, the black population grew from about 4.7 mil to about 20.7 mil in that time. Taking the average and rounding down, we get 12 million,

12 * 4 * (1965 - 1867) = 4,656

Yeah, I know that the population was smaller around the time when the risk was higher, but I don't know the statistical way of correcting for that.

Besides, this is a conservative estimate in at least two other ways, yet on a par with the higher estimates for lynching deaths, of which the KKK was but a fraction.

Not that I ever doubted you, of course.
 
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Imagine wasting your entire day getting upset at a presidential portrait of all things. You could be more concerned with the likes of mask mandates getting a little out of hand, more incidents of rioting happening in Democrat run cities, more gun violence happening in Democrat run cities while they call for more “gun control” to disarm regular law-abiding citizens in the U.S., etc.

But no, you choose your own day to get offended on someone’s else behalf over a presidential portrait that’s based on tradition in a famous museum.
 
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Imagine wasting your entire day getting upset at a presidential portrait of all things. You could be more concerned with the likes of mask mandates getting a little out of hand, more incidents of rioting happening in Democrat run cities, more gun violence happening in Democrat run cities while they call for more “gun control” to disarm regular law-abiding citizens in the U.S., etc.

But no, you choose your own day to get offended on someone’s else behalf over a presidential portrait that’s based on tradition in a famous museum.
Tradition is what they wipe their asses with.

I grant, not every tradition is worth keeping, but remember: These faggots live in year zero. They'd happily reenact the 'great leap forward' and burn all the books if they thought it'd advance their agenda.
 
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Imagine wasting your entire day getting upset at a presidential portrait of all things. You could be more concerned with the likes of mask mandates getting a little out of hand, more incidents of rioting happening in Democrat run cities, more gun violence happening in Democrat run cities while they call for more “gun control” to disarm regular law-abiding citizens in the U.S., etc.

But no, you choose your own day to get offended on someone’s else behalf over a presidential portrait that’s based on tradition in a famous museum.
It's very ironic that these people are still upset that Trump won, despite him being gone. Of course, this gets tiring to say over and over, but these people don't reason with anyone. If you are against them, no matter on what issue, they'll get butt-hurted and claim that you are a racist son of a bitch because you voted for a racist president. Hell, you might not have even voted for Trump in both elections, but you diss Biden, oooh boy. Can't say anything bad about the man who kicked the most "racist President in history."

I mean it's not like Trump did "anything" to help the "black community" out in any shape or form. I mean Biden is doing one hell of a job. He's so great, that it'll be a real shame to not elect him for another term.
 
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Imagine wasting your entire day getting upset at a presidential portrait of all things. You could be more concerned with the likes of mask mandates getting a little out of hand, more incidents of rioting happening in Democrat run cities, more gun violence happening in Democrat run cities while they call for more “gun control” to disarm regular law-abiding citizens in the U.S., etc.

But no, you choose your own day to get offended on someone’s else behalf over a presidential portrait that’s based on tradition in a famous museum.
These are people with too much free time on their hands.
 
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Trump Bites seem to be more and more true Trump as they keep appearing. With Cheney supposedly being even on the rocks with McCarthy now in terms of vision for the GOP, take out the TDS fags.
His official statements are like TwitLonger. I like these.
 
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Trump Bites seem to be more and more true Trump as they keep appearing. With Cheney supposedly being even on the rocks with McCarthy now in terms of vision for the GOP, take out the TDS fags.
"Warmongering fool." I love how Trump is ragging on Republicans now.
 
I think his time is up. He is way too old to even be stepping foot in politics again.

Personally I think it's just bait- like @mandatorylurk said, the overlap between DeSantis and Trump is nearly a circle, but considering how bitter they are after Trump left they're genuinely scared that he somehow will stumble on the fountain of youth before 2024, and the more the Biden Administration fucks up the more ammo he'd have for the 'Miss Me Yet?' theme. But if they get tunnel vision on cock-blocking a Trump '24 scenario, DeSantis and other younger players under the Trumpism banner can just make a runaway aside from election silliness again. Nevermind if any other political heavyweights end up in a carrer-ending scandal, or just flat out die before 2024.
 
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