I'd argue that it's a whole lot different. In contrast to AGP, most HSTS still know that they are men and will admit that. They don't insist black women call themselves menstruators or bleeders, they don't try to invade women's spaces, they don't groom kids, they don't try to make black lesbians take their girldick, they don't ask for obnoxious special treatment, and they sure as hell don't try to beat up women for being feminists. When I say transgenderism, I mean the current iteration and most popular form of transgenderism today, which is definitely the AGP version. Back in the day, the black community didn't like transgenderism for the same reasons the black community didn't like homosexuals. Now they don't like it because they either don't like homosexuals and toxic masculinity (see: the coli) or because transpeople are trying to say that men can declare themselves as women but white people can't declare themselves as black people, that black women are to blame for the actions of black men towards transwomen, and that troons are analogous to black women (see: lipstick alley).
The crux is of matter is that a lot of black culture and black history revolves around black bodies and it's relation to the world because of how black people were persecuted for their black bodies. Naturally, black female culture have a lot of focus on black female bodies and its place in society. So to say that a male body has no significant difference from a female body and that the world treats them the two the same way is just absurd to black people, especially black women, as black women got a lot of shit because their bodies were black and female.
In my experience, the Black LGBTQwhatever scene's actually typically sane. The ones who go all lolcow-y--your AGPs (aka troons), for example--tend to be just not very welcome. This is actually one of those places where I think privilege is actually a Thing: The dominant group can
afford to put up with a lolcow who's in-group. But if you're not part of the dominant group? If things are bad, or have been within living memory, then that isn't a lowcow providing milk. That's an existential threat.
Calling hijras trans is like calling Chinese eunuchs troons - both were and are a social class and were not comparable to the modern concept of a third gender.
Come to think of it, they've probably done that.
Exactly this, but this isnt the first time certain groups with a political agenda have willfully lied about other cultural practises on order to make themselves seem more "natural". If the trans community modern demands were not so, for lack of a better term, extreme, they wouldnt have to resort to this. But because they are they need to seem like they are a bigger portion of the world and have been around for longer than they have to make themselves seem part of "the natural order".
They also know most people dont know about all the Asian cultures and practises and rely on mouthpieces for info. I have read they are trying this with Native Americans and their concept of "two spirit" and as a foreigner I have found it difficult to find explanations about it outside of transgender propaganda.
Actually, the modern concept of 'third gender' started in anthropology so there'd be a
single fucking term for covering groups like hijras, ladyboys, and two-spirits--there's people who actually make a career out of studying them. It's an umbrella term for pretty much everybody not in the standard two, useful if you really hate the enbys but...well...are off of it.
Troons have
definitely tried to claim third genders as trans. And hijras are their own gender identity currently, at least; the main change seems to be that some are opting to keep their balls.
Anyway, some of this is actually pretty damn basic shit if you do go into the lit on other cultures' practices here, or even just the stuff written so you can go hit up the local gay club
without ending up with, say, a ladyboy's shoe needing to be surgically removed from your ass.
Thing is? What voidBits is talking about, the whole weird shitty beliefs made out of total, willful ignorance? That is standard as
fuck when you start talking about how the LGBTQwhatever crowd is when they venture out of the modern West. (For example, the Classical era that they glorify as a lost LGBT golden age? It was...ah...not good about the whole 'consent' thing & then you get into the live zoosadist snuff shows...)
