GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[basedboy]

RGB shit have gone to far!

Corsair Sabre RGB Pro Mouse Review: the High CPU Cost of 8,000 Hz

The Sabre RGB can run at an impressive 8,000 Hz but will tax your processor.

www.tomshardware.com

>8000 hz mouse
Is this a late april fools joke? This is quite literally snake oil.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Late I'm sure but on the subject of Corsair what the fuck
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Why the fuck would you want your PC to look like a gay disco circa 1987?

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Why the fuck would you want your PC to look like a gay disco circa 1987?

it made sense at lan parties but no one wants to drag out a computer thats like 20 pounds to their friend's house anymore when they can just play insert popular online multiplayer video game here over the internet

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

I've tested the new NVMe I was curious about and it looks to be a steal in the areas I was interested in(80% large reads).

SATA 500GB Crucial MX500, very pleased with those, cost ~€85-100 a piece when I bought them.
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Cheap-ass €89 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe.
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Just a very basic test, let's see how it holds up. (both disks were empty and newly formatted when tested)

edit: I should add, this looked like a great NVMe SSD if you know what you want to use it for(a bargain!), you should spec it up and read charts/reviews before buying it and understand those charts. It's DRAM-less, which is no-no, but the controller and SLC cache masks that and transferring a SATA MX500 to the SN550 was limited by the SATA transfer rate. At it's worst is outperforms anything on SATA with DRAM from what I've seen while being sold at sub-sata prices(for premium drives). If you know what you intend to do and what you need in regards to writes and reads in different chunks then this actually looks stellar for the price. No real benefit for games though, SATA is good enough for them right now, the do so much pre-processing and setting things up during the a loading sequence, so if you have the NVMe hole unused maybe wait a while until they have some really good stuff there. SATA is still perfectly fine.

Self-quoting with an update for anyone interested. I created a 200GB encrypted container in Veracrypt to use on an external drive. Writing 200GB of random crap to disk was a decently realistic, non-synthetic and somewhat extreme real world scenario so I monitored the speeds out of curiosity. They held steady for a while before going down, being a DRAM-less drive this is expected. It started to be noticeable after 60GB, it lasting that long really surprised me, up until that point it held the speed of the synthetic 4KiB Q8T8 benchmark(1150MB/s) shown in the second image above. Not that I know what Q8T8 means(queue length 8, T(?)8 ) or what Veracrypt actually writes.

After ~90-100GB it settled at a steady 870-890MB/s. That is nowhere near as fast as the really good M.2 drives, but it is almost twice as fast as the fastest SATA drive AND cheaper. Read speed wouldn't be affected by monster reads so for gaming it would be pretty competitive in many scenarios(when loading it will unpack things, set up and initialize the world, physics and AI. Lots of things beside raw reads into RAM).

 

[Kosher Dill]

Can I get some recommendations on what's a good motherboard for a Ryzen 5000-series CPU? I'm going to jump ship from Intel (a move long overdue) just as soon as I can scrounge up enough parts to make a computer.
I don't plan to overclock or water-cool or any of that "31337 9@m0r" stuff, I just want something that is reliable, performs fine, and ideally doesn't waste too much power. Lots of USB ports on the back is a plus.

What I'm reading on the internet ranges from "They're all the same really" to "Budget models are junk and you need an overclocker board that plugs into a dryer outlet".

 

[Madre Muerte]

Can I get some recommendations on what's a good motherboard for a Ryzen 5000-series CPU? I'm going to jump ship from Intel (a move long overdue) just as soon as I can scrounge up enough parts to make a computer.
I don't plan to overclock or water-cool or any of that "31337 9@m0r" stuff, I just want something that is reliable, performs fine, and ideally doesn't waste too much power. Lots of USB ports on the back is a plus.

What I'm reading on the internet ranges from "They're all the same really" to "Budget models are junk and you need an overclocker board that plugs into a dryer outlet".

If you don't care about pcie gen 4, then the b-450 lineup is good to look into.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Can I get some recommendations on what's a good motherboard for a Ryzen 5000-series CPU? I'm going to jump ship from Intel (a move long overdue) just as soon as I can scrounge up enough parts to make a computer.
I don't plan to overclock or water-cool or any of that "31337 9@m0r" stuff, I just want something that is reliable, performs fine, and ideally doesn't waste too much power. Lots of USB ports on the back is a plus.

What I'm reading on the internet ranges from "They're all the same really" to "Budget models are junk and you need an overclocker board that plugs into a dryer outlet".

If you don't plan on overclocking, a budget board is fine.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

If you don't plan on overclocking, a budget board is fine.

I second this. Back in the bad old days of the capacitor plague and shitty VIA chipsets, a budget board was a one-way express ticket to BSODville. These days you can just pick the one that has the feature set you want at the lowest price and you'll be fine.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

If you have no intention of ever overclocking the A-series boards are made for that, YOU the consumer can now BUY a motherboard with a Dell-like feature set! They're a bit cheaper but not by much, a good mATX B450/B550 would be under $100/€100 and might feature more ports and stuff like XMP. The Gigabyte B550M Aorus Elite is €99.90 on Amazon and it's got two NVME sockets and 8 USB ports on the back but four of those are USB 2.0, the other four are 3.2/SS. If you're not overclocking or doing extreme overclocking then you don't have to watch Buildzoid videos to find a motherboard that can handle absurd amounts of power. They're all good for general use(and some overclocking) just like @Spasticus Autisticus wrote.

IMO Gigabyte is a reliable brand, even includes a dual bios at no extra cost so you can fuck up when flashing it. They have been a mainstay for me since the nForce days or around the time Abit went to shit.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Actually - does any manufacturer have good software? I have a Gigabyte motherboard now and it's been fine, but the Windows software for controlling the BIOS features and whatnot is awful.

I'm probably going with an X570 of some sort just so I can have a PCIe 4 M.2 drive in there.

 

[Allakazam223]

Actually - does any manufacturer have good software? I have a Gigabyte motherboard now and it's been fine, but the Windows software for controlling the BIOS features and whatnot is awful.

I'm probably going with an X570 of some sort just so I can have a PCIe 4 M.2 drive in there.

All software designed to fuck with BIOS settings is glitchy, don't bother. Use Ryzen Master, auto PBO, profit. Don't go budget option in whatever brand you choose for mobo, if you're spending more for x570, get at least the midrange board types (MSI Tomahawk vs. MSI Gaming Plus, both x570 chipsets but one is obviously much better). You also don't need a MSI Godlike for a 3600 on an air cooler, for example, and brand loyalty is silly nowadays, I just happened to buy a MSI board so I know their lineup.

E: Do you mean the BIOS interface? MSI is comfy for me, but thats because it hasn't changed much in almost a decade.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Can I get some recommendations on what's a good motherboard for a Ryzen 5000-series CPU? I'm going to jump ship from Intel (a move long overdue) just as soon as I can scrounge up enough parts to make a computer.
I don't plan to overclock or water-cool or any of that "31337 9@m0r" stuff, I just want something that is reliable, performs fine, and ideally doesn't waste too much power. Lots of USB ports on the back is a plus.

What I'm reading on the internet ranges from "They're all the same really" to "Budget models are junk and you need an overclocker board that plugs into a dryer outlet".

Asrock B550 boards are a good bet. They are very stable. I have the B550M-ITX/ac which is the cheaper one of the range, and which is certainly stable enough with my 3700X at 4.3 GHz. Asrock are also less expensive than other manufacturers generally but that's because with ASUS in particular you pay for le epic gamer shit that nobody ever uses. I've been with Asrock since 2014 and though it got off to an inauspicious start with a DOA Z97M board in the Haswell era, since then I've never had much of a problem with them.

As regards USB ports on the back, use an external hub for devices like keyboards and mice and external sound hardware that don't need super fast transfer rates. This frees up the 3.0 and 3.1 ports for external storage and other things that can make use of the extra speed.

PCIe 4.0 is actually worthwhile. For a start, the RTX 3000 and Radeon 6000 graphics cards both use it, though you can push them down to PCIe 3.0 if you want. Though if you are spending that kind of money on it you might as well splash out the few quid extra to get a board with PCIe 4.0. Its main use though is SSDs.

One other thing. Don't be seduced by the mug's eyeful that are those giant angular heatsinks on VRMs. Consider that server grade boards have ordinary aluminium bare-metal fin heatsinks on them and they are running at full pelt 24/7 in mission critical roles. You won't have instability even on a bottom end B550 board even with a Ryzen 5950X so long as you have proper CPU cooling.

Finally, the sweet spot of cheapness is mATX. You don't really need full ATX any more unless you are running a full on workstation. Most integrated features on a board such as wi-fi and sound hardware are good enough nowadays. You just need one PCIe x16 slot for your graphics card, and possibly a secondary slot for additional networking or an adapter for extra M.2 SSDs or a capture card if that's your thing. ITX, you pay for the compactness because it takes a lot more engineering oomph to fit everything into a lil' 17cm x 17cm square.

This is a board that might fit your needs if you aren't going to overclock.

 

[Kosher Dill]

One other thing. Don't be seduced by the mug's eyeful that are those giant angular heatsinks on VRMs. Consider that server grade boards have ordinary aluminium bare-metal fin heatsinks on them and they are running at full pelt 24/7 in mission critical roles.

Yeah, my favorite motherboard design-wise is actually this:

Pro WS X570-ACE | Servers & Workstations | ASUS Global

Pro WS X570-ACE

www.asus.com

Imagine, a board with no gamer bling whatsoever. It doesn't have the most ports, but as you say a hub is probably just the way to go.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Yeah, my favorite motherboard design-wise is actually this:

Pro WS X570-ACE | Servers & Workstations | ASUS Global

Pro WS X570-ACE

www.asus.com

Imagine, a board with no gamer bling whatsoever. It doesn't have the most ports, but as you say a hub is probably just the way to go.

That's gonna be probably quite expensive though. Industrial computing can be pricy because it often is deliberately overengineered and has features like ECC memory support and legacy buses like ISA (which a lot of industrial peripherals still run on because all the gremlins have long since been beaten into submission) because every minute it's out of action due to a cockup is a minute that you aren't making any money. So it has to be brutally reliable.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Welp, Nvidia is apparently going to launch the RTX 3080 Ti on 1 May. If by "launch" you mean, parachute a few cards into the hands of scalpers and mining farms.

While we're at it, spare a thought for the 127 people who ordered a 3080 off of Scan on launch day and are still waiting for it after over 7 months with no confirmation of when the next shipment will be whatever. And there was them saying they only had taken enough orders to fulfil in six weeks.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Welp, Nvidia is apparently going to launch the RTX 3080 Ti on 1 May. If by "launch" you mean, parachute a few cards into the hands of scalpers and mining farms.

While we're at it, spare a thought for the 127 people who ordered a 3080 off of Scan on launch day and are still waiting for it after over 7 months with no confirmation of when the next shipment will be whatever. And there was them saying they only had taken enough orders to fulfil in six weeks.

I don't really know what's more amazing. The fact that stocking is still shit, or that people still line up every week just for the "opportunity" to buy vastly overpriced cards.

 

[An Avenging Bird]

Nvidia is Once Again Limiting GPUs for Crypto Mining - Decrypt

The graphics card manufacturer has reinstated a hash limiter on the RTX 3060 GPU, after accidentally removing it in an update.

decrypt.co

So with it becoming more and more difficult to mine Bitcoin and ETH shifting to proof of stake with Ethereum 2.0, the end of this dark tunnel for GPU mining may be at least within sight.

 

[Brain Problems]

Nvidia is Once Again Limiting GPUs for Crypto Mining - Decrypt

The graphics card manufacturer has reinstated a hash limiter on the RTX 3060 GPU, after accidentally removing it in an update.

decrypt.co

So with it becoming more and more difficult to mine Bitcoin and ETH shifting to proof of stake with Ethereum 2.0, the end of this dark tunnel for GPU mining may be at least within sight.

I_want_to_believe.bmp

I would love to see these crypto fuckers take it up the ass on a crash or via change in how internet pogs are "mined" but I have stared into the abyss for too long and see nothing but scalpers, 2-3x MSRP, OOS, and darkness.

 

[TheRedChair]

As a moderater on a private forum, we talk about different sorts of tech that you may or may not need for the average person. Not everyone can get the greatest and bleeding edge stuff so we go over the best bang for the buck.

In my case the Samsung 860 500GB EVO does what I need it to do. Also what is important to me is the ability to hot swap and interchange my SSD's on the fly. As stated previously I have a ICY-Dock 6 port frontal carriage that takes up one of my 5.25 drive bays. With 6 different OS's, the ability to increase my storage on the fly and if my system has issues I just swap in a clean OS and and work on the problem child off line on my back up rig, which also has a 6 port frontal.
carriage.

All of my important stuff are duplicated and are on HDD's, which of course I have a ICY Dock Frontal 5.25 inch HDD carriage to hot swap as well.

YOUR mileage may vary but right now for me, I really see no real increase of performance VS flexibility in what I do on my rig to cause me to change.

Also considering the unbelievable price increases of everything of late, and most of the world running on older hardware/ OS's, I think if a person can get a 500GB SSD drive as their primary for their OS and use a HDD as a secondary for storage, they are going to be real happy on the performance increase over having their OS on a HDD drive.

ATM, I use Samsung 860 EVO for my SSD's and WD 2 TB 7200 spin rate for my HDD's. I still have a Few 850 EVO's lying around and they are fine to use as well. I have had no issues on storage usage as of date.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

So I happened to see another "Let's cram it all in" ITX design.



I hate designs like this. Sure enough, he mentions that one of the fans developed a ticking sound which required draining the loop just to get to. It's everything wrong with modern car engineering, but now for PCs.

Edit - Wait a sec....how do those fans even breathe? That looks like a 1/2" of space between them and that block...