🐱 Rampant Voter fraud: Pennsylvania man sentenced to 5-year probation after voting in name of dead mother - Oh

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A Pennsylvania man has been sentenced to five years of probation after pleading guilty to casting a vote in the name of his deceased mother in an effort to reelect then-President Donald Trump, according to court records and Delaware County District Attorney Jack Stollsteimer's office.
Bruce Bartman, 70, received the sentence Friday after entering a guilty plea to two counts of perjury and one count of unlawful voting. Bartman will also lose his right to vote for four years, pursuant to Pennsylvania statute, the district attorney's office said in a news release.
Voter records show that Bartman used Pennsylvania's online voter-registration portal to register both his late mother, Elizabeth Bartman, and his deceased mother-in-law, Elizabeth Weihman, who died in 2019 -- illegally registering both as Republican voters, the district attorney's office said.

Bartman then requested, filled out and sent in the absentee ballot for his deceased mother for the 2020 general election. Bartman's attorney, Samuel Stretton, told CNN that his client regrets the decision.


Stretton said Bartman had explained to the court that because of the coronavirus pandemic, he had been isolated at home and was misled by "propaganda and statements" that were made about voter fraud.

"This was his way of misguided political dissent," Stretton said. "He accepts the responsibility."
Trump repeatedly sought to sow doubt about the integrity of the general election and even falsely claimed victory over Joe Biden despite there being no evidence of widespread voter fraud in any US state.

Republican state lawmakers across the country have echoed Trump's voting conspiracy theories and, in some cases, advanced new election bills that disproportionately affect Democratic voters.
A tally by the left-leaning Brennan Center for Justice at New York University found that 361 bills with provisions that restrict voting had been introduced in 47 states as of March 24. In the last month, the effort to restrict voting has intensified as state legislatures begin to head into the final months of their sessions.

"Our Office has done what it can to ensure our elections are both secure and accessible but the next fight is in Harrisburg. To those reviewing voter systems, I say, 'Remove failed systems, not ballot boxes,' " Stollsteimer, a Democrat, said Friday, noting that this was the only known case of a dead person voting in the county.
"Rather than earning national attention for efforts to restrict accessibility to voting, address the breakdown in the online voter registration systems that this defendant exploited to vote for a deceased relative."
 
Sounds like a lot of work to fix a problem that doesn't exist, especially when that would end anonymous voting, which would cause a whole lot bigger problems
I'm not sure what you mean by "end anonymous voting". They would just know for sure that the person who is voting is who they say they are, not who that person would vote for.
In terms of cost, it doesn't seem to be a problem for any of the states that already require photo id to vote.

Scratch that, i'm assuming you're talking about a full vote audit. Yes, I agree, full vote audits are 100% out of the question. I am a big advocate for voter ID laws, however.
 
So you are saying the only one telling the truth is a career conman who ran a fraudulent children's cancer charity and fake university, while he made $300 million grifting his cult on the "Stop the steal" shit? I find that hard to believe
No, I'm saying they're all liars including Trump. I already posted my opinion. If you actually care, go look at it: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/rampa...ing-in-name-of-dead-mother.90023/post-8926140

Not everyone here is as tribal as you are.

Edit: And if you really want to push it: I hope Biden did win, for everyone's sakes. I didn't like Trump. I never supported him or voted for him. I don't think Biden is a good person either. But the absolute best outcome in my book is that Trump audits everything to the smallest detail. If we're lucky some voter fraud does get exposed to better refine our system, but most importantly, it's on local levels and not nearly enough to overturn even a single state. Biden is 100% confirmed to be fairly elected with only a few bugs that need to be sorted out (because let's be real, there are going to be some bugs in our voting system).
 
No, I'm saying they're all liars including Trump. I already posted my opinion. If you actually care, go look at it: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/rampa...ing-in-name-of-dead-mother.90023/post-8926140

Not everyone here is as tribal as you are.
Don't even bother, Hulk's just here to throw out low-effort bait so he can get material to jerk himself off to in his paywalled safe space thread. He's never actually arguing in good faith.

Fuck that's sad after his REEEEEEing over some politics DM group.

All these niggas need to quit life for getting this upset over a forum.
It's like all the bitching about A&H being dominated by right wingers or whatever. There's actually a lot of centrist and liberal types here, it's just they usually contribute and can discuss things like normal people. It's always the low effort types that roll in with stupid talking points and bad arguments that get blown out that run to the other boards and bitch about how A&H is full of meanies. Maybe if they stopped pretending to be retarded we'd be less mean to them.
 
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What drugs are you on if you think Kemp loves Trump? Can I have some?

You're a retard if you think Kemp doesn't back Trump.

I assume he's run out of things to jerk himself off too in his paywalled safe space, so now he's here to see if anyone will bite on his low effort bait. It's both sad and pathetic, but if he does it hard enough, maybe Kamala will notice him.
What safe space is that? Sorry there's people on KF who don't like the career grifter you jack off to, but this isn't /pol/

No, I'm saying they're all liars including Trump. I already posted my opinion. If you actually care, go look at it: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/rampa...ing-in-name-of-dead-mother.90023/post-8926140
So you believe a career conman, who has grifted his followers out of $300 million by claiming the election was stolen, and who has absolutely no proof of what he claims, only because you hate politicians? If you don't believe Trump, why do you keep parroting this retarded talking point? Until there's evidence of voting fraud that swayed the election, you're coming off as a conpiratard

I'm not sure what you mean by "end anonymous voting". They would just know for sure that the person who is voting is who they say they are, not who that person would vote for.
In terms of cost, it doesn't seem to be a problem for any of the states that already require photo id to vote.

Scratch that, i'm assuming you're talking about a full vote audit. Yes, I agree, full vote audits are 100% out of the question. I am a big advocate for voter ID laws, however.
Not true at all. How would they know the person is really who they claim? FAke IDs exist and no one is going to commit mass voting fraud that way, as I've already explained. It's horribly inefficient
 
So you believe a career conman, who has grifted his followers out of $300 million by claiming the election was stolen, and who has absolutely no proof of what he claims, only because you hate politicians? If you don't believe Trump, why do you keep parroting this retarded talking point?
No, I agree with him in this case because the numbers were funny, then when Trump brought it up, it garnered such an overreaction that I'd wonder if he was on to something even if he called Biden a reptilian (I wouldn't believe him, but I would bet that Biden had a skeleton or two that Trump risked exposing). It's the classic: when you cut out a man's tongue, it doesn't prove him wrong it proves you're afraid of what he has to say.

I would be thrilled if Biden just said "Sure! Go ahead and look! Your team will have access to everything we can give you, but we will have observers from my side." I wouldn't think there was an ounce of merit to it. But when Biden says "Don't look in that box! There's nothing in it, but don't look in it!" do you believe him?

I'm not going to stop saying it's 8 AM when I get up, even if the clock you're looking at is broken.
 
If he backed Trump he would've intervened in Georgia you mong. This is him saving face the same as that ID law to try and stay in office.
No, because there was nothing he could do, you retard. Trump lost fair and square.

You're so cute when you pretend to be retarded. Why, it's been the talk of the board, where have you been?
What? The spiderman thread? we make fun of all retards in there. It's not a safe space, I get quoted there sometimes, too. Sorry you're upset this isn't a safe space, though.

No, I agree with him in this case because the numbers were funny, then when Trump brought it up, it garnered such an overreaction that I'd wonder if he was on to something even if he called Biden a reptilian (I wouldn't believe him, but I would bet that Biden had a skeleton or two that Trump risked exposing). It's the classic: when you cut out a man's tongue, it doesn't prove him wrong it proves you're afraid of what he has to say.

I would be thrilled if Biden just said "Sure! Go ahead and look! Your team will have access to everything we can give you, but we will have observers from my side." I wouldn't think there was an ounce of merit to it. But when Biden says "Don't look in that box! There's nothing in it, but don't look in it!" do you believe him?

I'm not going to stop saying it's 8 AM when I get up, even if the clock you're looking at is broken.
I am pretty sure the reason they don't want the audit is that the people Trump wants to do it are horribly corrupt and in his pocket and won't come out and say how they're doing the audit. They could just pull it out of their ass. Until there's actual proof of fraud instead of just Trump's hurt feelings, then it's stupid to claim fraud. Any "irregularities" can be explained by knowing how elections work. Is this is your first election?
 
Not true at all. How would they know the person is really who they claim? FAke IDs exist and no one is going to commit mass voting fraud that way, as I've already explained. It's horribly inefficient
Horribly inefficient? It's already a thing across multiple states, including some blue ones. And again, fake IDs wouldn't work against a scanner connected to the state db (also already a thing, although i'm not sure if the states that currently require photo id use that or a more commercial form of scanning, which are still pretty damn good at spotting fakes). The only concession I'd give is that there abssolutely has to be an accepted form of id that is free to obtain. Otherwise, I just don't see why we can't use the systems that already exist to cut down on the potential for voter fraud, whether or not you believe people are already exploiting the system.
 
Horribly inefficient? It's already a thing across multiple states, including some blue ones. And again, fake IDs wouldn't work against a scanner connected to the state db (also already a thing, although i'm not sure if the states that currently require photo id use that or a more commercial form of scanning, which are still pretty damn good at spotting fakes). The only concession I'd give is that there abssolutely has to be an accepted form of id that is free to obtain. Otherwise, I just don't see why we can't use the systems that already exist to cut down on the potential for voter fraud, whether or not you believe people are already exploiting the system.
Using a fake identity to fraudulently vote would be completely stupid, voter ID or no voter ID. You'd have to:
1. Make sure that each person you're using the identity of hasnt' voted and won't vote
2. Find enough polling stations that you could go around and do it at, and again, have an identity of a person for each one
3. Do it only once per station so you don't get recognized.
4. Wait in line and vote each time.

It's so inefficient that it's laughable. You'd maybe be able to do it five times. Five votes is nothing in the grand scheme of things. And five is really generous because good luck getting into for that many people who you know didn't/won't vote
 
I am pretty sure the reason they don't want the audit is that the people Trump wants to do it are horribly corrupt and in his pocket and won't come out and say how they're doing the audit. They could just pull it out of their ass. Until there's actual proof of fraud instead of just Trump's hurt feelings, then it's stupid to claim fraud. Any "irregularities" can be explained by knowing how elections work. Is this is your first election?
And I said that was terrible. And I said there should be Biden people in the room supervising.

Yep, I guess I'll have to expose my power level! I'm three years old and have only been around for one election! So please show me, oh wise one, the other districts in previous years that have had so many 4 AM results that went against the established patterns like this one had! Afterall this was the safest and most secure election in history where nothing abnormal happened ever. And it was an incredibly typical election, right? Where nothing was dramatically changed, right?
 
And I said that was terrible. And I said there should be Biden people in the room supervising.

Yep, I guess I'll have to expose my power level! I'm three years old and have only been around for one election! So please show me, oh wise one, the other districts in previous years that have had so many 4 AM results that went against the established patterns like this one had! Afterall this was the safest and most secure election in history where nothing abnormal happened ever. And it was an incredibly typical election, right? Where nothing was dramatically changed, right?
Yes? The districts that reported votes at that time are heavy Democrat voting districts. It's really not a difficult concept.

But go ahead, believe the career conman who pocketed $299 million grifting his cult followers who believe his lies about election fraud
 
Yes? The districts that reported votes at that time are heavy Democrat voting districts. It's really not a difficult concept.
I am only three years old. I want to see a bunch of places getting huge amounts of ballots at 4 AM that are different from the ballots cast. I don't think I could understand anything else. And you told me that "Any "irregularities" can be explained by knowing how elections work" and I don't know how they work. Are there always big boxes of ballots coming in at 4AM? Are they always different than the votes so far?
 
I am only three years old. I want to see a bunch of places getting huge amounts of ballots at 4 AM that are different from the ballots cast.
Yeah, that never happened. Stop believing shit from Parler.

I don't think I could understand anything else. And you told me that "Any "irregularities" can be explained by knowing how elections work" and I don't know how they work. Are there always big boxes of ballots coming in at 4AM? Are they always different than the votes so far?
Again, that never happened. I know your crippling autism makes you more gullible, but don't believe everything you read on Parler
 
Using a fake identity to fraudulently vote would be completely stupid, voter ID or no voter ID. You'd have to:
1. Make sure that each person you're using the identity of hasnt' voted and won't vote
2. Find enough polling stations that you could go around and do it at, and again, have an identity of a person for each one
3. Do it only once per station so you don't get recognized.
4. Wait in line and vote each time.

It's so inefficient that it's laughable. You'd maybe be able to do it five times. Five votes is nothing in the grand scheme of things. And five is really generous because good luck getting into for that many people who you know didn't/won't vote

None of those are particularly challenging hurdles, especially if it's not a single person, but an organized effort. Multiple registrations are perfectly legal in states, and it happens all the time by accident. All you'd need to do is blanket register people and then see who registers an additional time. Get Out The Vote efforts are constantly busing people all around polling stations for legitimate reasons, so it's not like popping the same crowd into a couple of different places would be impossible. The only potential hard stop would be time in line, but that's going to vary a tremendous amount depending on which polling place you go to and what time of day you do it. Last time I voted I was in and out in 5 minutes.
And yes, even 5 votes per peron can have a tremendous effect on an election. Plenty of house and senate races have margins of less than 10 votes, and Bush only won Florida by like 500 votes.
Again, i'm not saying that election fraud is widespread, or even definitively happens, but saying we should only improve an insecure system when we have 100% incontrovertible proof that it's been subverted is like saying you should only start locking your doors after you've been robbed. The things we need to implement it already exist. Multiple states have already tried and tested it. It's not a huge money sink, there's not some massive drop in voters, and it's not hard to implement. It's really weird to me that states that have extensive registration procedures for guns like California and New York act like it's impossible or immoral for them to put up a system that's implemented in places like Mississippi and Washington.
 
Yeah, that never happened. Stop believing shit from Parler.


Again, that never happened. I know your crippling autism makes you more gullible, but don't believe everything you read on Parler
Have literally never been on parler. You know why? I'm not conservative. I don't like trump. I still think you're wrong. And you wrote a check your ass can't cash.
 
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