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Stadenwick said:
Indeed, but looking bad Kiara was performing really bad at the start. She ain't pro streamers like Gura or Ame, or have any particularly selling talent like Ina's drawing or Calli's rapping. The only thing she got going on is that she can speak Japanese better than everyone in the group (which useless with one month ban) and Calli yuri bait, which she relies really badly at the start. There's also already a rrat that she was supposed to be HoloJP 5th gen and yadda yadda, so who knows what happen behind the curtain then.
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She still relies on calli yuribait till the point she cried on one her streams
 
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Sekirodiealot said:
She still relies on calli yuribait till the point she cried on one her streams
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Mate, I also don't enjoy Kiara's spergery either, but that clip is from a month ago.

Talking about Kiara though, bet you didn't know that she's made more in superchats than Fubuki. Remember, KFP is not a cult.
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Mate, I also don't enjoy Kiara's spergery either, but that clip is from a month ago.

Talking about Kiara though, bet you didn't know that she's made more in superchats than Fubuki. Remember, KFP is not a cult.
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Number on the left is total superchat revenue. Number on the right is superchat count.
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Interesting numbers, I had to look it up and they look legit. Among HoloEN Kiara is last in sub numbers but second only to Cali in terms of superchat $$. I'm guessing Gura and Ame's viewers skew younger or casual who have less disposable income and Ina has more artists who are typically broke.

The one who really surprised me is Flare, she is above Cali but her sub numbers are on the lower side iirc (edit: 616k). Her fanbase is dedicated jfc.

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A Fellow Degenerate said:
I mean, I get it if you want her to say the gamer word, but is the singing part really necessary?
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Who cares. She's said "I don't fuck with you, you little stupid ass bitch" verse like 10x and I'm supposed to care that she said the "free my niggas in prison" verse just once? Like I said the song is banger no one would be upset if you said that during the song unless you're a fake woke pussy or just someone that really hates kiara. Then again I'm not white and grew up in a mostly latino/black dominant school.
 
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Aqua gets the sololive concerts probably because she asks (,invests?) and prepares for them. Just like how Shion gets to cover so many songs, they just choose to do so instead of streaming ( and buying?) the newest/most popular game.

It may not be as profitable as getting superchats in minecraft/chatting streams but it's important to have fun too; Even Pekora had to buy Mario Party twice to stream it because she didn't remember she had the cartridge version, couldn't find it and bought the downloadable version on stream, and was ready to purchase the game for other holomembers to play with them, luckily Miko and Suisei already had the game so she didn't have to.
 
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I know this is old, but the talk of where Hololive members invest their money reminded me of it.


It seems kind of fucked up to me to have their talents get no paycheck (or a bill at the end of the month) to fund merch. But maybe that's just the communist in me.
 
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FlappyBat said:
It seems kind of fucked up to me to have their talents get no paycheck (or a bill at the end of the month) to fund merch. But maybe that's just the communist in me.
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It does seem kind of strange to me that Cover would deduct the cost of manufacturing from the talents' base salary. Would have made more sense to take the cut from the profits of the sale instead. Is this a common Japanese thing to do?
 
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It does seem kind of strange to me that Cover would deduct the cost of manufacturing from the talents' base salary. Would have made more sense to take the cut from the profits of the sale instead. Is this a common Japanese thing to do?
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They also take a cut out of the profits, there is no way they would give that up. She isn't paying the full cost of production, so it's more something like you pay 50% of the costs and get 50% of the revenue (the VAs probably get a better deal than that).

I just don't buy the idea of the VAs being independent contractors. Hololive excerpts significant control over them and owns all the intellectual property.
 
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FlappyBat said:
They also take a cut out of the profits, there is no way they would give that up. She isn't paying the full cost of production, so it's more something like you pay 50% of the costs and get 50% of the revenue (the VAs probably get a better deal than that).

I just don't buy the idea of the VAs being independent contractors. Hololive excerpts significant control over them and owns all the intellectual property.
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If it's unilaterally imposed then it's shitty as fuck, nobody should have to pay to work. I hope this is not the case.

As an opt-in on the other hand, it's pretty much the total opposite, since the employee now also has the role of an investor/shareholder. Which makes sense since the talent knows the audience better than anyone.

If you remember the Coco tail merch thing, the way she remarked on it implies they effectively gave her veto power on the merch. I'm hopeful, I guess.
 
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Blatant hypocrite said:
If it's unilaterally imposed then it's shitty as fuck, nobody should have to pay to work. As an opt-in on the other hand, it's pretty much the total opposite since your employee now also has the role of an investor/shareholder.
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I doubt anyone is forcing them to do merch runs. But you are missing out on a good chunk of money if you don't. None of them are starving, so it's more I just don't like the principle of it.
 
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FlappyBat said:
I doubt anyone is forcing them to do merch runs. But you are missing out on a good chunk of money if you don't. None of them are starving, so it's more I just don't like the principle of it.
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Then I'll have to politely disagree, because I fucking love that they're allowed to take risks and make executive decisions in their own company.
 
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Blatant hypocrite said:
Then I'll have to politely disagree, because I fucking love that they're allowed to take risks and make executive decisions in their own company.
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If that is what was happening then sure. But Cover is very controlling of what they do. They aren't making executive decision; they are asking cover for permission to do something with cover's property.

I absolutely believe cover has a limit on how often and when they can do merch (so as to not cannibalize each other). And we've already heard of managers vetoing merch ideas.

Edit: Coco's tail is a good point. That is something I can understand Cover saying we want your buy in on. But Lamy has specifically talked about not even being able to do titty mouse pads which tons of other talents have done. So it's not like the merch she's paying for is any actual risk.
 
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All this is doing is making me feel bad for Mel. Her merch was... a tote bag. Granted I doubt she's scrap for cash since I'm sure she makes more from her ASMR than she does from Hololive. But still, she deserves better than that.

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Edit: Also, I think Watame has mentioned a few times that her Manager has told her not to get an Oppai Mousepad either, even though she wants one. So I guess what their Manager says is also worth taking into account, however, I'm sure the Manager's input is just a suggestion more than anything.
 
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FlappyBat said:
If that is what was happening then sure. But Cover is very controlling of what they do. They aren't making executive decision; they are asking cover for permission to do something with cover's property.

I absolutely believe cover has a limit on how often and when they can do merch (so as to not cannibalize each other). And we've already heard of managers vetoing merch ideas.
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I'll cite the Asacoco plushie incident again. Kiryu Coco effectively told the merch guys "Your prototype is no good. Do it the way I specified." If that's not a managerial decision I don't know what is.

As for Cover having a say in it, yes, of course they do. If you think of the merch run as a business, they and the talent jointly control it. They both put in funds and they're both essential to making it work. That means usually that unless both agree, it doesn't go through.

If I heard that a talent funded their own merch but didn't get a say in it, or had their salary deducted without their assent, I would be concerned. But not this.
 
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