#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Captain Manning]

Is 499 even worth $4.99?

Doubtful.

Disturbingly, I have been informed by @FROG that the correct pronunciation of it is "four-hundred ninety-nine."

I am one thousand percent certain it's not worth $499.00.

That depends, would you pay money for a comic made by Deviant Art?

I know DA has a bad rep (deservingly), but I occasionally see some decent stuff on there.

Way better than this, anyways.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

liam is using Indiegogo as a GoFundMe for his tree house.

I guess backers get their names immortalized in the tree house...

...so

 

[jspit2.0]

Testefy is having WAY too much fun with this.

And I'm okay with that.




Speaking of...

Is it bad form if I buy the AP edition of KA1, for the sake of completionism? I know Dunn cucked to Waid, but I also have to imagine Dunn was dealing with a tremendous amount of faggotry for it to get to that point.

Go for it, boycotts are gay.

WTF is happening in this thread?

He's shedding nearly 40% of his backers from each Jawbreakers campaign, refuses to livestream to promote on either his or others channels, is putting out topical political books like Pandemic and Ballad of No, has neglected to fulfill his two largest campaigns (The Expendables and Jawbreakers: Grand Bizarre), abandoned his lawsuit against Mark Waid and has launched five campaigns since his unfulfilled big ticket campaigns previously mentioned.


My version of these events are as followed.

*Antarctic Press cucks on the Lost Souls deal which enrages a large portion of Comicsgate, former CG indie darlings Tim Lim, Rags crew, Punchline crew and several others defend Antarctic at the time which isolates them from the movement.

*An off hand comment from FROG on Trump political comics being Comicsgate sparks division.

The comment clipped below, decide for yourselves.

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*This comment then leads to a livestream discussion between FROG and Doug Ernst.

DOUGLAS ERNST vs EVS working out a GRIEVANCE, LIVE

*Which was followed by a massive livestream with all the old faces which was dubbed "the transcript" stream, in which Tim Lim confronted FROG with a transcript of his words in the above clip.

COMICSGATE-GATE SUPER MASSIVE LIVE STREAM!!!

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*After these series of streams the issue was largely resolved and FROG promoted Trump Space Force to over $70K. The next time Lim would land in hot water was walking away from the original Cash Grab collaboration with Nerkish and Cecil. What is often lost to memory is that it was Nerkish who first walked away from Cash Grab and Comicsgate in solidarity with Miss Sashi who was being harassed daily by Warcampaign, Tim merely agreed with him and left the project as well.

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*After which was followed by the "Black Glove Incident" which I've already covered previously in the thread and provide links to the original posts as it happened in real time.

Much of this drama is getting close to 3 years old now and is extremely tedious and gay. Both FROG and Tim Lim have moved on and are doing their own thing quite successfully. This cold war that exists between them is boring and played out. Who cares about 3 year old drama now at this point?

No, Vox was booted around July/August of 2018 while Lim didn't officially leave until he left the Cash Grab project publicly with Nerkish during November several months later.

Dynamite Comics whom FROG and Comicsgate were previously involved with was funneling funds to something called "The Bail Project" a social justice group which raised funds to get dangerous PoC criminals out of jail and back onto the streets.

I originally talked about it in a Comicsgate News Update last year here.

Relevant articles and archives:
https://www.dynamite.com/htmlfiles/mailershow.html?display=3069b72b-47c1-ea11-80c4-b083fed06a4f
http://archive.md/BhbNd

https://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/news.html?showNews=DFN07082092132

https://archive.md/vNhJf

Bailed out by charities, charged in new crimes - South Southwest
http://archive.md/mncy9

That is a poor form of marketing and one which a consumer will remember if they have a poor experience with the product after previously being promised that they will "love this book" like it's a definitive fact.

Meyer's choice of words should be amended to "I love this book and I think/hope you will too" instead of declaring "You WILL love this book" each time he launches a new one. He promised people they'd love Pandemic, Ballad of No and Iron Sights and look how those turned out.

I think I can remember Zack shilling the first Kamen America, Zack cites Lim's success in his spreadsheets and I've never heard him criticize him openly.

I'm fine with locking this away and moving forward.

That Killing Joke one is a great example of the difference between 'garish' and 'shit', which Frog should maybe look into.

I bought that 'deluxe' hardcover in 2008 with the Bolland recolor. Had myself quite an autistic 'ree' moment with it, at one point I was questioning my own memory, like 'Did I just imagine how awesome this comic was?'

Then I realized it had been 'Special Editioned' and boring Brian Bolland had painted over the amazing John Higgins colors! I was like ree.

I think later they published another edition with both colorings in it. I was pissed! But ultimately the whole debacle was an important education for me in the powerful magic of color.

And fortunately, one of the actual good comics I found in my attic the other day was the original 1988 TPB, with the Higgins colors printed on nice quality paper, much better!

And hey, maybe Narzack will release a super-deluxe, double-color-job edition of 499 one day! Then will you philistines stop questioning the genius of Narzack?? LMAO!

What Bolland did was a crime against artwork. The only good thing is maybe denting the Bolland mystique a little.

Anyway, in all this hubbub about how shit 499 is, the much CGtism has occurred!

First, J Scott Campbell.

Some SJW 'fixed' Campbell's boring cover by making Mary Jane less voluptuous. Campbell clapped back, only to immediately cuck out and beg for forgiveness.

Richard did a video. Because everytime CG stans for an mainstream artist that shit goes well...

Everyone's fav thought Anna showed up

The second most annoying man on YouTube British Cecil posted a video 39 minutes long to call J Scott Campbell a cuck.

Note, in his statement he made sure to emphasize this isn't the Presidential Election! There are shades of grey!

He agreed CG is a hate movement

A certain Frog took issue with this. Ethan does what we all should expect. He simpers, talking about how pro gay and diverse he is. This relates back to a core problem not just with Ethan and CG, but the Fandom Rejects as a whole. I've noticed they are eager to pander to the radical social left in hopes of dividing and conquering?

Not satisfied with his rejection by a man who hasn't actually drawn comics since the early 2000s Frog launched a lS

Ethan finally starts addressing "Jeff", J Campbell, at the 10 minute mark. Fraga shows up. Unlike Ethan, Fraga knows him. Fraga comes out the gate spitting fire! He says Jeff's problem is his work has mostly been a nothing burger and that most of Jeff's successful work is tied to companies that he needs to like him.

Ethan is skeptical, but Dan reveals he has licenses for variant covers. The stream is unusually good until the 25 minutes when Cecil appears and Dan and Ethan begin to do the tired 'manga has this right,' thing.

At the 38 minute mark, Ethan addresses "Jeff's" pathetic virtue signal statement. Cecil at the 42 minute mark has the wonderful 'fuck him' response. Such a worthwhile contribution. Truly. At the 51 minute mark, they marvel at Jeff's cuckoldry, referencing his Riri covertroversy.

At the 56 minute mark, Jon Malin pops on.

They continue to point out how Jeff is a cuck, not acknowledging that Ethan simpering for Rainbow/diversity approval is equally cringy.

Campbell couldn't care less about all of this, at the same time he is being called a cuck, he is, he sells the original sketch that started this shit for 13,000 dollars on eBay for penance charity.

 

[A nameless trool]

Is 499 even worth $4.99?

To continue the thread with comicbook colouring, it belongs to a webcomics blog.

liam is using Indiegogo as a GoFundMe for his tree house.
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I guess backers get their names immortalized in the tree house...
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@NasserRabadi13 is a real hero!

Not satisfied with his rejection by a man who hasn't actually drawn comics since the early 2000s Frog launched a lS

I believe he did a short story for Spawn 300. It had a chick spawn as the main character, because J Scott Cambell.

 

[Captain Manning]

liam is using Indiegogo as a GoFundMe for his tree house.
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Liam is the gift that keeps on giving.

The stream is unusually good until the 25 minutes when Cecil appears and Dan and Ethan begin to do the tired 'manga has this right,' thing.

Actually, I agree with the point they made there. Especially where Dan says that there's no desire to coopt the characters and stories in pre-existing manga. He's right. SOP over there is to just make another fucking manga, if there is perceived demand, entirely separate.

Unlike western SJWs, I've never heard of fujoshis throwing a shitfit that there isn't enough yaoi in DBZ (or what have you). Plenty of women have been wildly successful in manga simply through doing their own thing (CLAMP, Rumiko Takahashi, etc.).

Maybe it's a "tired point," but it's a very valid one. Jokes about weirdo fetish porn aside, Japan is considerably less fucked up than us in that regard. If we were more like that, there wouldn't be a Comicsgate and this thread wouldn't exist.

/sermon

 

[A nameless trool]

Liam is the gift that keeps on giving.


Actually, I agree with the point they made there. Especially where Dan says that there's no desire to coopt the characters and stories in pre-existing manga. He's right. SOP over there is to just make another fucking manga, if there is perceived demand, entirely separate.

Unlike western SJWs, I've never heard of fujoshis throwing a shitfit that there isn't enough yaoi in DBZ (or what have you). Plenty of women have been wildly successful in manga simply through doing their own thing (CLAMP, Rumiko Takahashi, etc.).

Maybe it's a "tired point," but it's a very valid one. Jokes about weirdo fetish porn aside, Japan is considerably less fucked up than us in that regard. If we were more like that, there wouldn't be a Comicsgate and this thread wouldn't exist.

/sermon

Most corporate owned comics are like that.
Asterix has a new creative team to run it (not sure how good it is), there was a bruhaha with Dylan Dog, where there was a reboot that had many fans angry,
What makes capecomics so bad is that every rando coming in and doing a brainfarts of a mini series is changing 60 years of a shared universe forever that makes everythig so frustrating.

 

[jspit2.0]

To continue the thread with comicbook colouring, it belongs to a webcomics blog.


@NasserRabadi13 is a real hero!


I believe he did a short story for Spawn 300. It had a chick spawn as the main character, because J Scott Cambell.

Forgive me, he drew four pages in a floppy once in twenty years.

Campbell is frustrating. He's another speculator boom guy who made way too much drawing way too little, twenty or so Gen13 comics and maybe ten to twelve creator owned issues, then just was able to earn a living drawing predatory covers for shops.

This is not a industry legend ala Jim Steranko or Steve Ditko.

Liam is the gift that keeps on giving.

He really is. I still miss his posts here.

Actually, I agree with the point they made there. Especially where Dan says that there's no desire to coopt the characters and stories in pre-existing manga. He's right. SOP over there is to just make another fucking manga, if there is perceived demand, entirely separate.

Unlike western SJWs, I've never heard of fujoshis throwing a shitfit that there isn't enough yaoi in DBZ (or what have you). Plenty of women have been wildly successful in manga simply through doing their own thing (CLAMP, Rumiko Takahashi, etc.).

Maybe it's a "tired point," but it's a very valid one. Jokes about weirdo fetish porn aside, Japan is considerably less fucked up than us in that regard. If we were more like that, there wouldn't be a Comicsgate and this thread wouldn't exist.

/sermon

It's tired and I just dislike the habit of Western artists who clearly don't read manga trying to show themselves as fans of it for Weeb points.

Most corporate owned comics are like that.
Asterix has a new creative team to run it (not sure how good it is), there was a bruhaha with Dylan Dog, where there was a reboot that had many fans angry,
What makes capecomics so bad is that every rando coming in and doing a brainfarts of a mini series is changing 60 years of a shared universe forever that makes everythig so frustrating.

Counterpoint, Byrne's MoS, Miller's Year One, even Geoff Johns Secret Origins for GL and Superman don't cause too many problems.

The problem is the over saturation of retcons. Everytime you do its like tugging on a thread in a tapestry. Geoff Johns became too enamored with it and wound up destroying DC with Flashpoint, Rebirths, and Doomsday Clocks. Lesser minis like Mark Waid's Birthright and Snyder's Year Zero cheapen MoS and Year One.

If you are going to reboot or alter something you have to bring your A game and keep in mind that thousands of readers have bought issues for over sixty years. (Looking at you, Joe Quesada).

 

[Rupin]

J.Scott Campbell is a confusing guy. I mean the sjws tried to end his career like two or three already and he still bends over for them by agreeing with whatever they want him to say. Doesn’t he know that shit doesn’t work by now?

 

[Unverified]

So, if @FROG were to go for the highest tier, would Liam honor this or would he refund him out of spite/principle? Will he actually have to look at the names of his mortal enemies "Nasser Rabadi" and "Ethan Van Sciver" beautifully etched into his cuck shed every morning when he throws his baby in there? Will Ethan receive special accreditation on every future Conquest Comics book? Think about it, Ethan. You could help make Boy Island a reality and be forever remembered for it.

(Ignore the errors and misused semicolon in this tier description; Liam is a master writer trained by DeMatteis!)

 

[NasserRabadi13]

So, if @FROG were to go for the highest tier, would Liam honor this or would he refund him out of spite/principle? Will he actually have to look at the names of his mortal enemies "Nasser Rabadi" and "Ethan Van Sciver" beautifully etched into his cuck shed every morning when he throws his baby in there? Will Ethan receive special accreditation on every future Conquest Comics book? Think about it, Ethan. You could help make Boy Island a reality and be forever remembered for it.
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(Ignore the errors and misused semicolon in this tier description; Liam is a master writer trained by DeMatteis!)

 

[jspit2.0]

So, if @FROG were to go for the highest tier, would Liam honor this or would he refund him out of spite/principle? Will he actually have to look at the names of his mortal enemies "Nasser Rabadi" and "Ethan Van Sciver" beautifully etched into his cuck shed every morning when he throws his baby in there? Will Ethan receive special accreditation on every future Conquest Comics book? Think about it, Ethan. You could help make Boy Island a reality and be forever remembered for it.
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(Ignore the errors and misused semicolon in this tier description; Liam is a master writer trained by DeMatteis!)

if not Ethan then the etsys. @TESTEFY-HD come on!

This must happen!

 

[Mecha]

Is Mr Biggons giving Zack Drugs? 499 is the kind of thing you do before going into rehab. I've speculated before that Zack's works since Expendables are so far out of his wheelhouse that there had to be some outside influence.

The "Theosophy" books and in particular Rock and Roll Ninja just don't seem to be the military focused stuff Zack made his name on. Yes I know the VieTNMT book the characters were special ops or something, but I doubt Zack who's criticized Music Books before would write a story about special operators playing in a rock band. That seems more a Mr. Biggons kind of thing...

Ya Boi Zack Rehab Arc incoming?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

This is the 100th time cg try to build up a future cger that backfired bigly.

 

[Miniluv]

Let me present to you exhibit a:

YBZ has always been into that weird artsy artwork, to the point that even JSG did a great dig at him a couple years ago that made me chuckle. It was there all along just most people skipped those videos.

Fair enough, I get that Zack has always had sort of an "art fag" streak in him.

But Rain Like Hammers is a far better looking book than 499. The human figures in it look like human figures instead of monstrosities and the colors aren't trying to stab my eyes out. It looks like fucking Moebius compared to Narwhal.

Also, Zack says at the end "I like it, but I can't take it". Not exactly a heap of praise.

 

[GranDuke]

Counterpoint, Byrne's MoS, Miller's Year One, even Geoff Johns Secret Origins for GL and Superman don't cause too many problems.

The problem is the over saturation of retcons. Everytime you do its like tugging on a thread in a tapestry. Geoff Johns became too enamored with it and wound up destroying DC with Flashpoint, Rebirths, and Doomsday Clocks. Lesser minis like Mark Waid's Birthright and Snyder's Year Zero cheapen MoS and Year One.

If you are going to reboot or alter something you have to bring your A game and keep in mind that thousands of readers have bought issues for over sixty years. (Looking at you, Joe Quesada).

Eh, that depends on how you view things. Lots of Superman fans think that Byrne fucked up Superman and split the fanbase. And there are some angry John and Kyle fans due to what Johns did with GL: Rebirth.

Only one that I think is completely clean is Year One, but peak Miller was on another level and you can't even use "but he hated these characters" arguments against him like you can against Moore.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I guess liam deleted my comment, so if anyone looks at his IGG they can't see it . Only I can see it when I'm logged in, and it's greyed out.

 

[jspit2.0]

Eh, that depends on how you view things. Lots of Superman fans think that Byrne fucked up Superman and split the fanbase. And there are some angry John and Kyle fans due to what Johns did with GL: Rebirth.

Only one that I think is completely clean is Year One, but peak Miller was on another level and you can't even use "but he hated these characters" arguments against him like you can against Moore.

Hrm. I've never seen lots of Superman fans trash MoS. I've seen a distinct minority who dislike it. Personally, there are things Byrne took out that lost the magic I loved. (Literally nothing of value RE:Marz GL was lost). But....

Let me ask you this. Was there anything in MoS #1-6 that broke Superman? What I mean is this. Morrison's Superthug broke the character. That mean spirited bully who literally hung normal people in the air and laughed at their pain. That's breaking a character. It's the same with OMD, with Black Cap, with some many retcons from the 00s forward.

Some parts of fandom will never be happy with a reboot. But reboots that just outright break a character are what did in DC and Marvel. Superman thrived from '86 to '00 when the reboot bug bit them.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Hrm. I've never seen lots of Superman fans trash MoS. I've seen a distinct minority who dislike it. Personally, there are things Byrne took out that lost the magic I loved. (Literally nothing of value RE:Marz GL was lost). But....

Let me ask you this. Was there anything in MoS #1-6 that broke Superman? What I mean is this. Morrison's Superthug broke the character. That mean spirited bully who literally hung normal people in the air and laughed at their pain. That's breaking a character. It's the same with OMD, with Black Cap, with some many retcons from the 00s forward.

Some parts of fandom will never be happy with a reboot. But reboots that just outright break a character are what did in DC and Marvel. Superman thrived from '86 to '00 when the reboot bug bit them.

The standard talking points from Waid, Grant Morrison, Mark Miller and their ilk over how "MOS ruined Superman" go as followed:

1. Made Krypton a cold, sterile, dystopian where there is no fun and love and where Superman's parents only admit to "liking" each other as the planet dies
2. The Kents being alive and a major part of Superman's life as an adult
3. Getting rid of Superboy, which admittedly kind of fucked over the Legion of the Super-Heroes
4. Made Clark a loveable Chad-type instead of a nerdy loser
5. Making Lex Luthor a business tycoon and wealthy/above the law so that he would be an actual threat to Superman
6. Making Batman a dick to Superman ala Dark Knight Returns
7. No Krypto or Supergirl and the "No other Kryptonians save for Superman" editorial edict
8. Made Bizarro a generic one-off frankenstein monster type and not a wacky lol-random comic relief figure
9. Making Lois a strong independent journalist and not a sex crazed mentally ill stalker who spends her days masturbating to the thought of sleeping with Superman under the sanctity of marriage
10. Making Superman the "mask" and Clark Kent the real person.

 

[Captain Manning]

What makes capecomics so bad is that every rando coming in and doing a brainfarts of a mini series is changing 60 years of a shared universe forever that makes everythig so frustrating.

One thing that I appreciate about manga stories is that oftentimes they just END. A story is told, it reaches a conclusion, and people move onto the next thing. Franchises have spinoffs, but individual story arcs aren't expected to continue forever. Reboots can also happen, but they don't molest the continuity of the work that preceded it. As a result of this, it becomes much more difficult for new blood to fuck things up.

It's my understanding that we got One More Day because Quesada was terrified at the thought of THAT Spiderman not being able to continue ad infinium.

It's like it would kill Marvel to do something new. I think it's lame.

EDIT: Title of comic was wrong.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

manga

As someone who also mostly reads manga it's also piss easy to figure out where to start, there's is a first issue, as in THE first issue. How many Spiderman #1-s or Batman #1-s are there? Usually what I hear about this recommendation-wise is people listing 5-10 completely disjointed storylines that could be published decades apart from eachother.

Also passing characters around between authors like cheap whores is a nice concept as far giving characters a newer spin but it ruins any coherence, not to mention all you need is one Tom King to turn a character on its head or drive some long await event into the ditch and it's just as canon as anything else.