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Miniluv said:
But Rain Like Hammers is a far better looking book than 499.
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My niece’s colouring books after an orange juice-driven apoplectic shit-fit are far better looking books than 499. A bar so low it would trouble the all-time greats of limbo-dancing.

I was a stones throw away from backing The Ballad of No as the concept sounded really interesting - something just stopped me making that final click; YBZ’s reticence to promote perhaps? Not sure.
 
A nameless trool said:
A thing with older comics being reprinted is that the original colour was not for glossy paper. Once you see a 70's or 80's comicbook printed on glossy paper you realize how much it sucks (while cheap, pulpy paper makes it look like it belongs in a museum)
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The Killing Joke was a prestige format book, as far as I know it was never printed on newsprint. And it looks like crap when it is. All those classic close-ups of the Joker are ruined when his face is tattooed with the panels on the other side of the page. I wonder if Bolland's colors would've looked better on the crap paper, it might have added some grit to his sterile, computer-y work.

DC did right with Absolute Year One. One volume is the TPB coloring that most people now have read, the other is the original colors on newsprint, except for the covers that are on glossy paper.
 
The Bovinian Derivative said:
As someone who also mostly reads manga it's also piss easy to figure out where to start, there's is a first issue, as in THE first issue. How many Spiderman #1-s or Batman #1-s are there? Usually what I hear about this recommendation-wise is people listing 5-10 completely disjointed storylines that could be published decades apart from eachother.

Also passing characters around between authors like cheap whores is a nice concept as far giving characters a newer spin but it ruins any coherence, not to mention all you need is one Tom King to turn a character on its head or drive some long await event into the ditch and it's just as canon as anything else.
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Exactly. A lot of lamestream American capeshit characters have basically just become cum dumpsters that everybody gets to jizz in for the sake of "diversity." That is the impetus for a lot of fan backlash. There is no cohesive creative vision in any of these books anymore. Not that such "woke" characters exist in the first place.

To your point: When I was a kid, I read the Marvel 2099 series from the very first issues. I certainly wasn't going to start reading Punisher or Spiderman from issue 374, or whatever. There was nothing really wrong with 2099 (it helped this was before the SJW invasion). Same general character "archetypes," but NOT the same characters. So if Miguel O'Hara doesn't have the exact personality of Peter Parker (and he didn't), that's perfectly fine. One doesn't cheapen the other. You can appreciate one, the other, both, or neither.

You see this a lot in anime and manga if there's a desire by a separate creative staff to take a basic character and setting in a different direction. They don't even try and connect it to a preexisting ones. Sometimes the manga, OAV, and TV series will be in entirely different continuities.

I disagree with some things @FROG says, but I'll agree wholeheartedly with him and Dan on this issue. They hit the nail on the head.
 
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Captain Manning said:
Exactly. A lot of lamestream American capeshit characters have basically just become cum dumpsters that everybody gets to jizz in for the sake of "diversity." That is the impetus for a lot of fan backlash. There is no cohesive creative vision in any of these books anymore. Not that such "woke" characters exist in the first place.

To your point: When I was a kid, I read the Marvel 2099 series from the very first issues. I certainly wasn't going to start reading Punisher or Spiderman from issue 374, or whatever. There was nothing really wrong with 2099 (it helped this was before the SJW invasion). Same general character "archetypes," but NOT the same characters. So if Miguel O'Hara doesn't have the exact personality of Peter Parker (and he didn't), that's perfectly fine. One doesn't cheapen the other. You can appreciate one, the other, both, or neither.

You see this a lot in anime and manga if there's a desire by a separate creative staff to take a basic character and setting in a different direction. They don't even try and connect it to a preexisting ones. Sometimes the manga, OAV, and TV series will be in entirely different continuities.

I disagree with some things @FROG says, but I'll agree wholeheartedly with him and Dan on this issue. They hit the nail on the head.
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I guess I don't mind that, I even would argue that having so many different stories and visions have made the characters more iconic and timeless. Indeed, nothing in Manga has the distinction of Action or Detective Comics. Outliving and thriving beyond the life of the original creators.

But I'm the rare breed that loves both.
 
MirrorNoir said:
The standard talking points from Waid, Grant Morrison, Mark Miller and their ilk over how "MOS ruined Superman" go as followed:

1. Made Krypton a cold, sterile, dystopian where there is no fun and love and where Superman's parents only admit to "liking" each other as the planet dies
2. The Kents being alive and a major part of Superman's life as an adult
3. Getting rid of Superboy, which admittedly kind of fucked over the Legion of the Super-Heroes
4. Made Clark a loveable Chad-type instead of a nerdy loser
5. Making Lex Luthor a business tycoon and wealthy/above the law so that he would be an actual threat to Superman
6. Making Batman a dick to Superman ala Dark Knight Returns
7. No Krypto or Supergirl and the "No other Kryptonians save for Superman" editorial edict
8. Made Bizarro a generic one-off frankenstein monster type and not a wacky lol-random comic relief figure
9. Making Lois a strong independent journalist and not a sex crazed mentally ill stalker who spends her days masturbating to the thought of sleeping with Superman under the sanctity of marriage
10. Making Superman the "mask" and Clark Kent the real person.
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Byrne's Superman is, IMO, the best version of the character. All the things on that list are positives as far as I'm concerned (with the exception of the weird impact on the Legion). The only thing I thought was goofy about it was Byrne's addition of the protective layer over Superman that prevented dirt from sticking to him or his costume. Never understood the point of that.
Captain Manning said:
One thing that I appreciate about manga stories is that oftentimes they just END. A story is told, it reaches a conclusion, and people move onto the next thing. Franchises have spinoffs, but individual story arcs aren't expected to continue forever. Reboots can also happen, but they don't molest the continuity of the work that preceded it. As a result of this, it becomes much more difficult for new blood to fuck things up.

It's my understanding that we got One More Day because Quesada was terrified at the thought of THAT Spiderman not being able to continue ad infinium.

It's like it would kill Marvel to do something new. I think it's lame.

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I'd heard that Quesada never liked the idea of Peter getting the girl and and by extension getting a W. He felt Parker should be a loser for whom nothing ever worked out right because why would you want to change your character's circumstances when you could just tell the same stories over and over?
The Bovinian Derivative said:
As someone who also mostly reads manga it's also piss easy to figure out where to start, there's is a first issue, as in THE first issue. How many Spiderman #1-s or Batman #1-s are there? Usually what I hear about this recommendation-wise is people listing 5-10 completely disjointed storylines that could be published decades apart from eachother.

Also passing characters around between authors like cheap whores is a nice concept as far giving characters a newer spin but it ruins any coherence, not to mention all you need is one Tom King to turn a character on its head or drive some long await event into the ditch and it's just as canon as anything else.
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Superhero comics are fucked.
They don't end because they're 70 year old corporate trademarks that need to be maintained.
The stories have no real stakes because not even supporting characters can die and stay dead and reboots and relaunches just undo any changes that may occur.

Legacy characters used to be a good way of ending one hero's career and passing a mantle to another version with a different take on that legacy, but then a new writer comes along that decides the version they grew up on should come back. Wally West was The Flash for 20 years and had a really good story of maintaining a legacy he fought to preserve following in the footsteps of a man that died to save the universe. Geoff Johns decided that sucked and brought back arguably the most milquetoast, whitebread, boring, square jawed, Silver Age wet blanket ever in Barry Allen. I say arguably because the competition is always between him and Hal Jordan. This is why we have 5 Green Lanterns and as many Flashes.

They're just pointless, immortal trademarks with convoluted backstories that can never progress or be left to fade away and make room for something else.

Captain Manning said:
When I was a kid, I read the Marvel 2099 series from the very first issues. I certainly wasn't going to start reading Punisher or Spiderman from issue 374, or whatever. There was nothing really wrong with 2099 (it helped this was before the SJW invasion). Same general character "archetypes," but NOT the same characters. So if Miguel O'Hara doesn't have the exact personality of Peter Parker (and he didn't), that's perfectly fine. One doesn't cheapen the other. You can appreciate one, the other, both, or neither.
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I think the difference is in the way comics are written now vs back in the day. When I started reading X-Men, it was in the 200s or something. It had been going 15 or 20 years before I was born, but I had no problem catching up because the arcs were shorter, there weren't so many crossovers, editorial notes helped you understand certain things and pointed you at back issues depicting certain pertinent events. Not to mention Marvel published reprint material like Classic X-Men that let you read key issues for a normal price. They used to write knowing that every comic was someone's first.

Reading Punisher or Spider-Man from issue 374 doesn't mean that it was the culmination of 373 issues worth of a single story. They had many arcs, recaps, reprints and other stuff to make things easy for new people. It worked really well for decades. Not really the way they do stuff anymore.
 
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Captain Manning said:
One thing that I appreciate about manga stories is that oftentimes they just END. A story is told, it reaches a conclusion, and people move onto the next thing. Franchises have spinoffs, but individual story arcs aren't expected to continue forever. Reboots can also happen, but they don't molest the continuity of the work that preceded it. As a result of this, it becomes much more difficult for new blood to fuck things up.

It's my understanding that we got One More Day because Quesada was terrified at the thought of THAT Spiderman not being able to continue ad infinium.

It's like it would kill Marvel to do something new. I think it's lame.

EDIT: Title of comic was wrong.
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As someone who started out with comics, switched over to manga, then was gradually re-introduced to comics and now sits at a happy middle ground, it seems like manga is for people who prioritize story and comics are for people who prioritize art. Obviously there are manga with exceptional art, and comics that are masterfully written, but every status quo has exceptions. Big brain stuff, I know, but my point is that I read them differently. With manga, I start at the beginning and read to completion. With comics, I jump around and read whichever issues look cool and then fill in the blanks with wikis and New Sage. My standards are different too. If an American comic can deliver a single cohesive character arc, I'm impressed. Meanwhile a manga has to basically reinvent it's entire genre to get my attention these days. But I also expect the comic to look a lot nicer, and these days it usually doesn't.

I think the lack of continuity in American comics used to be a small tradeoff for a ton of creative opportunities. For a somewhat recent example, I recently checked out Superman Doomed, which was weird as shit, but Superdoom looks cool so I enjoyed it. But for the most part, that creative opportunity is being squandered on silly nonsense like race/gender swapping characters or putting Hulk in a sports bra. The result is that now they're even losing the interest of people like me, who don't care as much about the stories and are really just looking for good art. And notice my tone; do I seem enraged? I couldn't care less about the sanctity of these characters that have already been creatively dragged down a cobblestone road for the better part of a century. I'm just bummed they don't look as cool anymore.
 
Miniluv said:
I'd heard that Quesada never liked the idea of Peter getting the girl and and by extension getting a W. He felt Parker should be a loser for whom nothing ever worked out right because why would you want to change your character's circumstances when you could just tell the same stories over and over?
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Quesada saw a cash cow, and wanted to keep milking it.

Spiderman should have ended a long time ago. If you want to reboot the concept into a different variation of Spiderman, that's one thing, but every dead horse needs to be carried off to the glue factory at some point. I don't think Marvel and DC understand that.

So instead of PP having a happy ending where he hangs up his cape and bangs MJ, he has to endure all the stupid shit that is commonplace in modern comics now.

Tim Marchman of the WSJ had one of the funniest quotes I've read concerning One More Day. He said the way Quesada handled it was "the rough equivalent of having Z-movie director Uwe Boll film a studio-funded prequel to Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver."

I think somebody else compared it to the dream episode of Dallas. Cheap. Lame. A punchline that describes bad writing.
 
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Captain Manning said:
Quesada saw a cash cow, and wanted to keep milking it.

Spiderman should have ended a long time ago. If you want to reboot the concept into other variation of Spiderman, that's one thing, but every dead horse needs to be carried off to the glue factory at some point. I don't think Marvel and DC understand that.

Tim Marchman of the WSJ had one of the funniest quotes I've read concerning One More Day. He said the way the way Quesada handled it was "the rough equivalent of having Z-movie director Uwe Boll film a studio-funded prequel to Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver."

I think somebody else compared it to the dream episode of Dallas. Cheap. Lame. A punchline that describes bad writing.
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Yeah, it was retarded and was one of the last straws in my decision to stop buying superhero comics.

Spider-Man started as the story of a high school loser and over the course of the decades became about Peter Parker as a man with a career and a wife but still no shortage of problems and responsibilities. The character changed but his motivation didn't. He was one of the few young characters allowed to grow and mature into a better version of themselves (another being Dick Grayson). Peter's marriage to MJ was absolutely celebrated by the fans as a huge milestone in the character's history and to watch Quesada piss on it was just infuriating. As a corportate trademark, it was never going to actually end but I would have loved to see Peter grow older and perhaps pass his legacy on to one of his kids or something.
 
Time for another Comicsgate News Update

FROM CREATORGO
The latest data out from CreatorGo has the total number of campaigns launched so far in CG2021 at 90, minus of course the failed campaigns listed below. LURE and ROKAN escaped the failure list by being funded to their necessary amounts and have been removed from the watchlist of our previous list. While Hexwood failed to fund and Wahid was taken down for some reasaon, there were also seven five new campaigns launched which shall be added to the watch list.

Previous Failures
The Current Plane Comic #1
Pillowman and Blanketboy Comic-- Second Chance!
KINETIC
Cross Comics coloring book
Melvin #1
Everlasting Survivors Volume 1 Graphic Novel
The Tome Of Reckoning
Chateau Obsidian #3
EVERMATTER: Conscript
The Oswald Chronicles: My Time With Clive 1-4
Zener: Master of the Mind Vol 1

Updated Failures
Wahid 2: Dawn of Evil (taken down)
Hexwood: Dust and Ashes

Campaigns to Watch
Wulfsbane- Issue 1
Skipt - Seeds of Power
Sinsationals
WRDR WPN #1
Ellie The Eliminator 3 in 1 Graphic Novel
Beardzzerker #1: BRZRKR parody comic
Columns of Creation Vol 1: Down to Earth

New Campaigns to Watch
Rammur 1
Vestri 3
Havoc 2
Angel's Awakening
Hybrids: The Killing Field Part 1 & 2

As of the time of writing, Wulfsbane Issue 1 has 4 hours remaining and sits at 17% funded. Unless the campaign is extended it will likely join the failed campaigns list in several hours. I'll be sure to add it to the CG Graveyard with our news update next week.

FROM KICKSTARTER AND INDIEGOGO
Tim Lim and Mark Pellegrini launched their crossover event between their Kamen America and Black Hops properties on Kickstarter to great success. As of writing the campaign currently sits at over $70K from 1,403 backers with 54 days remaining on the campaign. With a two month campaign time, Black Hops X Kamen America, could be the first book released by the pair to join the six figure club with a single campaign.

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After receiving a lot of bad press recently and being savaged in his campaign comment sections, Zack recently updated both The Expendables and Grand Bizarre campaign pages with updated shipping estimates. Jawbreakers: Grand Bizarre is now expected to begin fulfillment in June 2021 and The Expendables to follow suit during July/August.


Whether the books actually ship by these new adjusted due dates, we will have to wait and see. The level of criticism levied against Meyer over the past several months is unprecedented during his comics career, it is currently unknown how this criticism will reflect on the fourth installment of his flagship Jawbreakers series.

FROM THE TWITTERVERSE
As was previously reported on, That Umbrella Guy received a strike on his Youtube channel related to the Johnny Depp Amber Heard case. TUG wasted very little time promoting his Paypal via twitter to recoup the lost income of receiving the strike, which should expire in several days.


In the wake of the strikes a new Youtube channel and Twitter account called "Tiny TUG" has now popped up and is reporting on the case of behalf of TUG. The account is undoubtedly an alt which TUG is using to get around the strike and possibly a sacrificial lamb for which he can disseminate information without risking his main social media accounts.


After rustling the jimmies of SJWs/progressives on Twitter by fixing the art of a Tumblr fixer of his own art, legendary artist J Scott Campbell tweeted out a disavowal of the Comicsgate movement. Campbell had previous been praised for standing up to the unwanted artistic advice of some Tumblr weirdo, but quickly threw that good will back in Comicsgate's face. Afterwards he released a clarification which appeared to be more conciliatory to the online movement.

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After previously being shown the difference in quality of coloring by @Mister Dongs our very own FROG backed and promoted Wild Tales of Kyrie, which was featured as our book of choice in a News Update here.


Kyrie was previously described by Comicsgate Reviewer Inch High Comic Guy as the best Comicsgate book he has ever read, giving it high praise in a review. The campaign has 2 days left and word of mouth about the books is extremely positive, hopefully FROG will enjoy it and spare it joining White Lily and Xenotype in his fireplace.

FROM YOUTUBE
With the recent focus on Tim Lim in the thread, he recently appeared on a livestream review of his third installment in the Kamen America franchise. Well Read Reviews was joined by DA Talks and VikkiVerse as the panel reviewed Kamen America 3 and was joined by Tim Lim after the review at the 49:47 mark for an interview and to answer questions from the chat.

The following week saw the review show review a very overdue book MONSTER M.D by Von Klaus, which previously featured in the top 25 overdue CG books. VikkiVerse again joined the show as a guest and opinions on the book appeared to be positive to mixed.

In contrast to the WRR stream, Comicsgate reviewer Inch High Comic Guy also reviewed the book, giving it a solid recommendation.

DA Talks and VikkiVerse continued their weekly CG news stream, this time focusing on the allegations made by Warcampaign against Nasser Rabadi, the feud between Mandy Summers and Shae Zombie, the return of Lola (TUG's wife to Comicsgate), Liam's "tree house" updates and FROG's comments on boring Comicsgate streams.

This weeks CGDG stream was cancelled after technical difficulties.

Our very own FROG livestreamed about the J Scott Campbell debacle.

Yellowflash returned to his roots to report on some comic sales numbers from April 2021. He also reported for the first time ever, the top 20 graphic novel sales are all Japanese manga.

The peoples champion, formerly known as The Comic Book Hut, freshly renamed the Patriot Hut took some time off from dunking on FROG to dunk on both Richard C Meyer and Just Some Guy.

And finally Michael Bancroft and several others speculated on the SJWs losing influence or asked the question "Is the cult of representation losing ground?" citing the recent drama involving J Scott Campbell and the positive response to it.

This update was several days overdue, so much of the news could be considered outdated right now. The big news is the ongoing response to J Scott Campbells fixing of a Tumblr artists edit of his own work. The other big news was obviously the strike received on TUG's channel and the reviews for overdue CG book MONSTER MD finally hitting the internet. I would have reported on the final colored pages of 499, but it looks like everyone is discussing that already. ;)

My opinion, yeah it looks fucking terrible.

As always take care and stay safe out there. :bluelabel:
 
  1. J. Scott Campbell denounced Comicsgate for supporting him in swinging back against tumblrinas
  2. 499 debuts its new, awful color scheme and that it will be fulfilling before the earlier launched
  3. Liam Gray launches his tree fort indiegogo - so far the majority of backers are his trolls.
  4. DarkGift Comics went on Comicsgate Presents and gained six backers, but was refunded 5 times, setting off Finatra in an apopleptic rage against @TESTEFY-HD at this loss of tens of tens of dollars.
Not mentioned: "Comicswave" being put out for free yesterday.

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Mister Dongs said:
  1. J. Scott Campbell denounced Comicsgate for supporting him in swinging back against tumblrinas
  2. 499 debuts its new, awful color scheme and that it will be fulfilling before the earlier launched
  3. Liam Gray launches his tree fort indiegogo - so far the majority of backers are his trolls.
  4. DarkGift Comics went on Comicsgate Presents and gained six backers, but was refunded 5 times, setting off Finatra in an apopleptic rage against @TESTEFY-HD at this loss of tens of tens of dollars.
Not mentioned: "Comicswave" being put out for free yesterday.

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It was amazing how Finatra had a different attitude when I could defend myself.

PROOF BELOW:
 
MirrorNoir said:
The standard talking points from Waid, Grant Morrison, Mark Miller and their ilk over how "MOS ruined Superman" go as followed:

1. Made Krypton a cold, sterile, dystopian where there is no fun and love and where Superman's parents only admit to "liking" each other as the planet dies
2. The Kents being alive and a major part of Superman's life as an adult
3. Getting rid of Superboy, which admittedly kind of fucked over the Legion of the Super-Heroes
4. Made Clark a loveable Chad-type instead of a nerdy loser
5. Making Lex Luthor a business tycoon and wealthy/above the law so that he would be an actual threat to Superman
6. Making Batman a dick to Superman ala Dark Knight Returns
7. No Krypto or Supergirl and the "No other Kryptonians save for Superman" editorial edict
8. Made Bizarro a generic one-off frankenstein monster type and not a wacky lol-random comic relief figure
9. Making Lois a strong independent journalist and not a sex crazed mentally ill stalker who spends her days masturbating to the thought of sleeping with Superman under the sanctity of marriage
10. Making Superman the "mask" and Clark Kent the real person.
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Are we certain those Waid, Millar and Morrison guys are not Comicsgate?
 
Mister Dongs said:
DarkGift Comics went on Comicsgate Presents and gained six backers, but was refunded 5 times, setting off Finatra in an apopleptic rage against @TESTEFY-HD at this loss of tens of tens of dollars.
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So, what you're saying is that the undercard for the PP vs. D&V lawsuit is gonna be an even more ridiculous match held in the Small Claims Court of Clark County, Nevada?

GAY!!!
 
LIAM GRAY of CON-quest COMICS - TREEHOUSE UPDATE #6

Again, his shirt is clean as day, and no swet to be found.
 
Smug Freiza said:
Time for another Comicsgate News Update

FROM CREATORGO
The latest data out from CreatorGo has the total number of campaigns launched so far in CG2021 at 90, minus of course the failed campaigns listed below. LURE and ROKAN escaped the failure list by being funded to their necessary amounts and have been removed from the watchlist of our previous list. While Hexwood failed to fund and Wahid was taken down for some reasaon, there were also seven five new campaigns launched which shall be added to the watch list.

Previous Failures
The Current Plane Comic #1
Pillowman and Blanketboy Comic-- Second Chance!
KINETIC
Cross Comics coloring book
Melvin #1
Everlasting Survivors Volume 1 Graphic Novel
The Tome Of Reckoning
Chateau Obsidian #3
EVERMATTER: Conscript
The Oswald Chronicles: My Time With Clive 1-4
Zener: Master of the Mind Vol 1

Updated Failures
Wahid 2: Dawn of Evil (taken down)
Hexwood: Dust and Ashes

Campaigns to Watch
Wulfsbane- Issue 1
Skipt - Seeds of Power
Sinsationals
WRDR WPN #1
Ellie The Eliminator 3 in 1 Graphic Novel
Beardzzerker #1: BRZRKR parody comic
Columns of Creation Vol 1: Down to Earth

New Campaigns to Watch
Rammur 1
Vestri 3
Havoc 2
Angel's Awakening
Hybrids: The Killing Field Part 1 & 2

As of the time of writing, Wulfsbane Issue 1 has 4 hours remaining and sits at 17% funded. Unless the campaign is extended it will likely join the failed campaigns list in several hours. I'll be sure to add it to the CG Graveyard with our news update next week.

FROM KICKSTARTER AND INDIEGOGO
Tim Lim and Mark Pellegrini launched their crossover event between their Kamen America and Black Hops properties on Kickstarter to great success. As of writing the campaign currently sits at over $70K from 1,403 backers with 54 days remaining on the campaign. With a two month campaign time, Black Hops X Kamen America, could be the first book released by the pair to join the six figure club with a single campaign.


After receiving a lot of bad press recently and being savaged in his campaign comment sections, Zack recently updated both The Expendables and Grand Bizarre campaign pages with updated shipping estimates. Jawbreakers: Grand Bizarre is now expected to begin fulfillment in June 2021 and The Expendables to follow suit during July/August.


Whether the books actually ship by these new adjusted due dates, we will have to wait and see. The level of criticism levied against Meyer over the past several months is unprecedented during his comics career, it is currently unknown how this criticism will reflect on the fourth installment of his flagship Jawbreakers series.

FROM THE TWITTERVERSE
As was previously reported on, That Umbrella Guy received a strike on his Youtube channel related to the Johnny Depp Amber Heard case. TUG wasted very little time promoting his Paypal via twitter to recoup the lost income of receiving the strike, which should expire in several days.


In the wake of the strikes a new Youtube channel and Twitter account called "Tiny TUG" has now popped up and is reporting on the case of behalf of TUG. The account is undoubtedly an alt which TUG is using to get around the strike and possibly a sacrificial lamb for which he can disseminate information without risking his main social media accounts.


After rustling the jimmies of SJWs/progressives on Twitter by fixing the art of a Tumblr fixer of his own art, legendary artist J Scott Campbell tweeted out a disavowal of the Comicsgate movement. Campbell had previous been praised for standing up to the unwanted artistic advice of some Tumblr weirdo, but quickly threw that good will back in Comicsgate's face. Afterwards he released a clarification which appeared to be more conciliatory to the online movement.


After previously being shown the difference in quality of coloring by @Mister Dongs our very own FROG backed and promoted Wild Tales of Kyrie, which was featured as our book of choice in a News Update here.


Kyrie was previously described by Comicsgate Reviewer Inch High Comic Guy as the best Comicsgate book he has ever read, giving it high praise in a review. The campaign has 2 days left and word of mouth about the books is extremely positive, hopefully FROG will enjoy it and spare it joining White Lily and Xenotype in his fireplace.

FROM YOUTUBE
With the recent focus on Tim Lim in the thread, he recently appeared on a livestream review of his third installment in the Kamen America franchise. Well Read Reviews was joined by DA Talks and VikkiVerse as the panel reviewed Kamen America 3 and was joined by Tim Lim after the review at the 49:47 mark for an interview and to answer questions from the chat.

The following week saw the review show review a very overdue book MONSTER M.D by Von Klaus, which previously featured in the top 25 overdue CG books. VikkiVerse again joined the show as a guest and opinions on the book appeared to be positive to mixed.

In contrast to the WRR stream, Comicsgate reviewer Inch High Comic Guy also reviewed the book, giving it a solid recommendation.

DA Talks and VikkiVerse continued their weekly CG news stream, this time focusing on the allegations made by Warcampaign against Nasser Rabadi, the feud between Mandy Summers and Shae Zombie, the return of Lola (TUG's wife to Comicsgate), Liam's "tree house" updates and FROG's comments on boring Comicsgate streams.

This weeks CGDG stream was cancelled after technical difficulties.

Our very own FROG livestreamed about the J Scott Campbell debacle.

Yellowflash returned to his roots to report on some comic sales numbers from April 2021. He also reported for the first time ever, the top 20 graphic novel sales are all Japanese manga.

The peoples champion, formerly known as The Comic Book Hut, freshly renamed the Patriot Hut took some time off from dunking on FROG to dunk on both Richard C Meyer and Just Some Guy.

And finally Michael Bancroft and several others speculated on the SJWs losing influence or asked the question "Is the cult of representation losing ground?" citing the recent drama involving J Scott Campbell and the positive response to it.

This update was several days overdue, so much of the news could be considered outdated right now. The big news is the ongoing response to J Scott Campbells fixing of a Tumblr artists edit of his own work. The other big news was obviously the strike received on TUG's channel and the reviews for overdue CG book MONSTER MD finally hitting the internet. I would have reported on the final colored pages of 499, but it looks like everyone is discussing that already. ;)

My opinion, yeah it looks fucking terrible.

As always take care and stay safe out there. :bluelabel:
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The JSC drama is entirely an unforced error on his part. JSC has a years long history of chimping out when his artwork is criticized, rustling up a mob, then denouncing his defenders.
Campbell's latest chimpout begins as you described, then he went on a block spree when CG fans allegedly shat up his comments.

At least that's what he wants you to believe.

He posted screenshots of large CG channels defending him which led CG fans to believe he wanted their help, then he pandered to SJW's by denouncing comicsgate before backtracking again saying he had conversations with CG denying they are a hate group.

Nothing JSC claims is backed up. I searched and searched for "hateful" comments across the platforms where he kicked the beehive and didn't find much of anything. He did block our boy @TheCosmicWarrior.

Instead of taking responsibility and saying he made a mistake attacking woke fans he tried pushing the blame onto comicsgate. Had JSC never "fixed the fix" no one would have noticed outside of a small autistic twitter corner.

This is for the best. The more CG accounts JSC blocks the fewer people will defend him and in a few months when "hyper-sexualization" accusations surface again he will stand alone.

The best thing CG can do with JSC is agree with SJW's, agree his art is exploitative and hypersexualized and let the woke mob have him. Fuck him. How many CG accounts get fucked defending this piece of shit?

JSC is a self serving faggot that wants to play both sides and still succeeds because the original drawing is trending on ebay at college tuition prices instead of maybe a few hundred where it belongs. JSC isn't about to spend his own money to "fix" his problems he wants to spend yours.

Want "sexy" pictures of women in costumes? Anna that star wars slut's fake tits not doing it for you? Just search "cosplay" on Google.

Fuck Campbell. For the love of Jesus quit going to bat for a guy who profits off of the culture war and does everything he can to gaslight about who is really to blame.

Next time ignore any bullshit Campbell starts and force his "comics pro" buddies to take a side. As long as fans are willing to self-immolate to protect a loli-artist it provides cover for SJW's.

The click baiting youtube crowd loves Campbell. SJW companies love him too. I'm sure SlickJimmyLove had a bunch of Campbell art saved on his devices.

Tl;Dr quit jumping off a cliff for JSC. He will fuck you. Think for yourselves for once.

"Look at this evil woke shit, wait comicsgate is hate, uh..there are fine people on both sides" is some sucker stuff that shit is Hella fake.
 
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So instead of PP having a happy ending where he hangs up his cape and bangs MJ, he has to endure all the stupid shit that is commonplace in modern comics now.
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I actually thought about this last night. The shared universe of thousands of characters chugging along is a great concept, but how do you handle passing of the torch? In the case of Spiderman we could say that Peter retires at 30 to run off with MJ and live a happy life he unquestionably deserves and appoints Miles Morales as a successor, but would a guy like Peter be able to sit around and "do nothing" while some world threatening event is happening? Of course not, he's a hero.

We had this problem recently with Captain America and his time travel shenanigans in the MCU or Luke Skywalker living the milk titty life for 30 years. This is why in every single martial arts movie, or every time really, when a mentor shows up he inevitably dies to make room for the yungins. If for 70 years all character would end up killed or maimed to the point of unable to do the the job to make room for the next generation it would be pretty depressing. So you're stuck in rut.
 
Analog Devolved said:
This is for the best. The more CG accounts JSC blocks the fewer people will defend him and in a few months when "hyper-sexualization" accusations surface again he will stand alone.

The best thing CG can do with JSC is agree with SJW's, agree his art is exploitative and hypersexualized and let the woke mob have him. Fuck him. How many CG accounts get fucked defending this piece of shit?
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Disagree. Support J Scott Campbell wholeheartedly. Make his cause a "Comicsgate cause", make him disavow his own fans who defend him when the woke mob labels him and them Comicsgate, over and over in the futile hope of appeasing his tormentors until they succeed in either cancelling him or breaking him completely. As you say, fuck him.

If nothing else, it gives us gems like this.


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J Scott Campbell "Fixes" His Critics Over Mary Jane Image

Late last year, a Tumblr user posted a comic book "fix". Part of a critical trend in recent decades against what some see as lazy sexist comic book
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J Scott Campbell "Fixes" His Critics Over Mary Jane Image​

Posted on May 10, 2021 by Rich Johnston

...Here's the thing. A cat can look at a king. The lowliest in the land can mock and criticise the highest – and that's fine. It doesn't stop the cat from being just a cat, and a king being the king. Of course, it's fine for J Scott Campbell to "fix" someone else's version of "fixing" them. Just as it is fine that they posted a "fix" in the first place. It doesn't take away the original, it merely criticises it – and from a position of someone who admits their own lack of artistic ability. A critic does not need to be able to do the job to criticise the execution of it

But when the original user did it, it only went so far and carried less weight and authority, they even mock their own work. When one of the biggest names in comic book art does it, uses their name, and repeats it again and again during the critique, it has a very different weight, brings a tonne of fans wanting to please their idol, and go on attack dog mode. Given that only a couple of years ago, Campbell himself was mocking that cover himself, it seems a little disproportionate and disingenuous to do this now, especially in this way....
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Here's Rich Johnston arguing his own theory of where J Scott Campbell screwed up using an analogy familiar to anyone who follows Comicsgate. According to Johnston, comic creators are like lords, and Tumblr users like "nonbinaryfinn" are "cats" aka peasants. And when JSC dared criticize the tumblr troon's insulting doodles that were in criticism of him he was in violation of comic book noblesse oblige.

When a professional "punches down", for example by lashing out against smaller critics, attacking their artwork, blockbotting them, calling them racists and Nazis baselessly, etc., that is a misuse of the office granted the creator and therefore a violation of the social contract between creator and the fans. And when that happens, the fans are presumably... justified in rising up against this mistreatment?

Has Rich Johnston thought this through?
 
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Mister Dongs said:
Disagree. Support J Scott Campbell wholeheartedly. Make his cause a "Comicsgate cause", make him disavow his own fans who defend him when the woke mob labels him and them Comicsgate, over and over in the futile hope of appeasing his tormentors until they succeed in either cancelling him or breaking him completely. As you say, fuck him.

If nothing else, it gives us gems like this.


bleedingcool.com

J Scott Campbell "Fixes" His Critics Over Mary Jane Image

Late last year, a Tumblr user posted a comic book "fix". Part of a critical trend in recent decades against what some see as lazy sexist comic book
bleedingcool.com



Here's Rich Johnston arguing his own theory of where J Scott Campbell screwed up using an analogy familiar to anyone who follows Comicsgate. According to Johnston, comic creators are like lords, and Tumblr users like "nonbinaryfinn" are "cats" aka peasants. And when JSC dared criticize the tumblr troon's insulting doodles that were in criticism of him he was in violation of comic book noblesse oblige.

When a professional "punches down", for example by lashing out against smaller critics, attacking their artwork, blockbotting them, calling them racists and Nazis baselessly, etc., that is a misuse of the office granted the creator and therefore a violation of the social contract between creator and the fans. And when that happens, the fans are presumably... justified in rising up against this mistreatment?

Has Rich Johnston thought this through?
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Rich Johnson just wrote the best defense of comicsgate I've ever seen.

The only reason I argue throwing JSC to the wolves is because his cause isn't or shouldn't be worth the time and energy of CG creators, and the best use of CG peasant (read paypig) time is to join the chorus of his haters in order to force more people like Poor Johnson into espousing CG values.

I certainly see where you're coming from and honestly no matter how it plays out it only further isolates faggots like JSC from his fans and peers which makes his downfall a win/win situation.

JSC clearly has influence over some WHALES based on the 13k bid price. Paypiggons tier shit.

I personally will never dox JSC because he is based HH 1488 and unlike Ethan Van Sciver, JSC understands the plight of the white race. He's one of us, not ((one of us)). EVS gets doxed because he loves blacks and gays, I'm just glad there are still artists like Jeff Scott Campbell who make sexy art of white women and know where a woman's place is.
 
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