Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

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The show is fun if you like silliness, we like to complain about agenda and stuff, but its still a very small part of the show. My favorite episode is the one when they play baseball, just plain old cartoon fun. It got some great songs, and some interesting characters arcs like Lapis Lazuli ptsd. Not a perfect show, but you can feel its the vision and passion project of one person, not some souless product.
 
The show is fun if you like silliness, we like to complain about agenda and stuff, but its still a very small part of the show. My favorite episode is the one when they play baseball, just plain old cartoon fun. It got some great songs, and some interesting characters arcs like Lapis Lazuli ptsd. Not a perfect show, but you can feel its the vision and passion project of one person, not some souless product.
Hit the Diamond is definitely one of the best "fun" episodes of the show. One of the funnier ones too.
 
What made the show most fun was the concept of it, which never got used near as much in the show as it could have. So people could play theorycraft about how things could work that would never really get explored in the show.
Theorycrafting was definitely a fun part of the experience. I think if the show was written for a slightly older demographic they would've gone more in depth in certain areas, but I feel keeping the focus on Steven's coming of age story and the interpersonal drama between characters was smart since it's what they knew how to write best.
 
Theorycrafting was definitely a fun part of the experience. I think if the show was written for a slightly older demographic they would've gone more in depth in certain areas, but I feel keeping the focus on Steven's coming of age story and the interpersonal drama between characters was smart since it's what they knew how to write best.
The thing with a lot of TV shows is that you have a head writer that focuses on the overall story, then individual writers are really in charge of scripts for individual episodes (even if they work it out with others). With Steven Universe I think Rebecca Sugar even made a point that they don't focus on writing, instead working out stories with storyboards. They seem fairly weak when it comes to writing and oddly didn't try doing like what the woman from Hazbin House did which was get someone on board who can make up for their weaknesses (in Hazbin's case this was getting someone able to do jokes).

So in a sense I think the main problem the show had was with poor organizing and delegating.
 
The thing with a lot of TV shows is that you have a head writer that focuses on the overall story, then individual writers are really in charge of scripts for individual episodes (even if they work it out with others). With Steven Universe I think Rebecca Sugar even made a point that they don't focus on writing, instead working out stories with storyboards. They seem fairly weak when it comes to writing and oddly didn't try doing like what the woman from Hazbin House did which was get someone on board who can make up for their weaknesses (in Hazbin's case this was getting someone able to do jokes).

So in a sense I think the main problem the show had was with poor organizing and delegating.
There are head writers, the boarders mostly focus on what's being said and done in a particular episode. Hard stuff like Rose being Pink, Lars dying etc. is laid out before boarding even started on the first episode. Conversely, things like Amethyst being from Earth or Aquamarine and Topaz specifically coming for Steven's friends in S4 due to him giving a list of people all the way back in S1 was not there in the pitch bible and just happened to slot neatly in regardless.

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Did that thing again where I sperg trivia and forget to comment on the actual point. I agree that the organisation of the show could've been better, especially when Ian JQ left to make OK KO. The only reason I cut it slack is because it's her first show and even over the course of 6+ years you're not going to iron out all the kinks you have as a creative. That doesn't make the issues disappear, but that's my perspective either way.
 
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Theorycrafting was definitely a fun part of the experience. I think if the show was written for a slightly older demographic they would've gone more in depth in certain areas, but I feel keeping the focus on Steven's coming of age story and the interpersonal drama between characters was smart since it's what they knew how to write best.
I dunno, Avatar was aimed at a slightly younger audience and went in depth in plenty of stuff. And if that was what they were (debatably) good at, why include the stuff they weren’t got at? It’s a problem I’ve seen with many a webcomic.
There are head writers, the boarders mostly focus on what's being said and done in a particular episode. Hard stuff like Rose being Pink, Lars dying etc. is laid out before boarding even started on the first episode. Conversely, things like Amethyst being from Earth or Aquamarine and Topaz specifically coming for Steven's friends in S4 due to him giving a list of people all the way back in S1 was not there in the pitch bible and just happened to slot neatly in regardless.

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Did that thing again where I sperg trivia and forget to comment on the actual point. I agree that the organisation of the show could've been better, especially when Ian JQ left to make OK KO. The only reason I cut it slack is because it's her first show and even over the course of 6+ years you're not going to iron out all the kinks you have as a creative. That doesn't make the issues disappear, but that's my perspective either way.
You know, I never really bought into Ian being the prime reason SU was good, especially after seeing OK KO.
There’s only so much that can be explained by inexperience until it just seems like incompetence. It’s not like Sugar was a complete noob in the industry either.
 
I dunno, Avatar was aimed at a slightly younger audience and went in depth in plenty of stuff. And if that was what they were (debatably) good at, why include the stuff they weren’t got at? It’s a problem I’ve seen with many a webcomic.

You know, I never really bought into Ian being the prime reason SU was good, especially after seeing OK KO.
There’s only so much that can be explained by inexperience until it just seems like incompetence. It’s not like Sugar was a complete noob in the industry either.
I feel Ian helped keep things more consistent and focused overall. Sugar was better at writing, he was better at managing if that makes sense. The two of them balanced out each others flaws.
 
I dunno, Avatar was aimed at a slightly younger audience and went in depth in plenty of stuff.
I don't think it's fair to compare ATLA to SU in terms of pacing and writing because they did things very different.

Bryke didn't make the storyboarders shoulder the majority of the production work, everyone had their one role and never did more or less than that. Not only did SU boarders write the dialogue for their assigned episode, their board was the key base for animation which lead to off-model crap and boring camera shots. And of course, Aang wasn't in every single fucking scene of the show like Steven was so there was room to feel something for everyone including the antagonists.

And if that was what they were (debatably) good at, why include the stuff they weren’t got at? It’s a problem I’ve seen with many a webcomic.
No experience or project is worth its time if you don't do something different and learn from it. And again, it's not fair to compare two very different things like this. Animation is a whole team of people, companies, freelancers and investors. Webcomics is usually a one-man job or like 4 people. Both have deadlines and annoying fanbases though.

You know, I never really bought into Ian being the prime reason SU was good, especially after seeing OK KO.
There’s only so much that can be explained by inexperience until it just seems like incompetence. It’s not like Sugar was a complete noob in the industry either.
Maybe not the "prime reason" but definitely a key member. He saw how good SU could be but he didn't have Becky or anyone else to help him see how good OK KO could be. In a way Ian JQ and Becky are just like Bryke: They had diamonds in the rough but needed help digging them out and polishing them up.
 
I don't think it's fair to compare ATLA to SU in terms of pacing and writing because they did things very different.

Bryke didn't make the storyboarders shoulder the majority of the production work, everyone had their one role and never did more or less than that. Not only did SU boarders write the dialogue for their assigned episode, their board was the key base for animation which lead to off-model crap and boring camera shots. And of course, Aang wasn't in every single fucking scene of the show like Steven was so there was room to feel something for everyone including the antagonists.
While the first person perspective did indeed hinder it in some ways, I feel like it served the show's purpose of being primarily about Steven and how he helps others first and foremost. I also feel it helped flesh out Steven more as a character as opposed to Aang whom I've always liked but felt was a bit bland compared to characters like Zuko, Azula or Katara. Granted this is a trade-off that leads to shit like you mentioned, but thems the breaks.
 
I don't think it's fair to compare ATLA to SU in terms of pacing and writing because they did things very different.

Bryke didn't make the storyboarders shoulder the majority of the production work, everyone had their one role and never did more or less than that. Not only did SU boarders write the dialogue for their assigned episode, their board was the key base for animation which lead to off-model crap and boring camera shots. And of course, Aang wasn't in every single fucking scene of the show like Steven was so there was room to feel something for everyone including the antagonists.


No experience or project is worth its time if you don't do something different and learn from it. And again, it's not fair to compare two very different things like this. Animation is a whole team of people, companies, freelancers and investors. Webcomics is usually a one-man job or like 4 people. Both have deadlines and annoying fanbases though.


Maybe not the "prime reason" but definitely a key member. He saw how good SU could be but he didn't have Becky or anyone else to help him see how good OK KO could be. In a way Ian JQ and Becky are just like Bryke: They had diamonds in the rough but needed help digging them out and polishing them up.
Very true, I should have worded it better. It’s only superficially similar in certain plot structure and themes if that makes sense, and not always in a bad way.
While the first person perspective did indeed hinder it in some ways, I feel like it served the show's purpose of being primarily about Steven and how he helps others first and foremost. I also feel it helped flesh out Steven more as a character as opposed to Aang whom I've always liked but felt was a bit bland compared to characters like Zuko, Azula or Katara. Granted this is a trade-off that leads to shit like you mentioned, but thems the breaks.
I felt by the later seasons, it only caused more harm than good as so many other personal storylines were cucked in addition to Steven fatigue. Plus it’s not like they were unable to strike a balance.

Honestly, both SU and Avatar are genuinely good reflections on the importance of writing a main character and a strong supporting cast.
 
I felt by the later seasons, it only caused more harm than good as so many other personal storylines were cucked in addition to Steven fatigue. Plus it’s not like they were unable to strike a balance.
Exactly, for a setting as interesting as SU's they should have done more to expand upon its world and make it seem more lively. The show may be called "Steve Universe", but that shouldn't stop it from showing us stuff outside of Steven's perspective.

ATLA's title also pretty much says Aang, but that didn't stop the show runners from having scenes and episodes outside of Aang's perspective.
 
Exactly, for a setting as interesting as SU's they should have done more to expand upon its world and make it seem more lively. The show may be called "Steve Universe", but that shouldn't stop it from showing us stuff outside of Steven's perspective.

ATLA's title also pretty much says Aang, but that didn't stop the show runners from having scenes and episodes outside of Aang's perspective.
I think a lot of this could've been alleviated with more flashback episodes if they were adamant about sticking to the first person perspective, I always enjoyed those.
 
Just wanted to say that I was finished writing some dark stuff (just a novel that probably wont ever see the light of day), and then I watched some clips of The Boys, then I read sone spoilers for One Punch Man latest redrawn chapter and felt in a dark place. So i rewatched the ending of SU and it was uplifting. I know solving every problem through music and understanding is unrealistic, but I feel, right now, there is too much cynicism and ultra violence always seems to be the answer. So, I know its not perfect, but rewatching the ending of the original series made me feel good.
 
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You wanted to say that I was finished writing some dark stuff (just a novel that probably wont ever see the light of day), and then I watched some clips of The Boys, then I read sone spoilers for One Punch Man latest redrawn chapter and felt in a dark place. So i rewatched the ending of SU and it was uplifting. I know solving every problem through music and understanding is unrealistic, but I feel, right now, there is too much cynicism and ultra violence always seems to be the answer. So, I know its not perfect, but rewatching the ending of the original series made me feel good.
It's a pretty idealistic show which can rub some people the wrong way. I get it. I don't agree with that sort of take, but I get it at least.
 
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