Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[mama Lazarou]

They're relatively easy to pick when they're doing the fat neckbeard thing, but there is no way I would have picked this particular version of Chaz Bono as trans.

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Every woman we see in these threads are known tranners, you just wouldn't able to tell a t ravaged woman apart from male in real life unless they got all the scars on display.

All this turbo autism about birthing hips and eye brow angles it's like the clown world version of incels analysing wrist circumference and jaw projection to separate the Chad's from the chuds

Her face still looks pretty feminine to me, I think the biggest 'red herring' when it comes to TIFs are hairline. Because we wouldn't really expect women with male pattern baldness. and I'm sure any kind of troons are easier to clock irl because camera angles helps a lot in passing in photos

She looks feminine becouse you know shes a woman. The biggest red herring is that they're flushed with testosterone. If the average HRT taking tif looked like an ugly bitch with pcos it would be easy, the ones that still look like woman such as nady, gigi gorgeous' "husband" and that UCLA lawyer do so couse they stopped medicating early on. It's the exact same reason tims are so easy to pick out.

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

Everybody acting like they can spot them in the wild is lying to themselves.

Every FTM is clockable as soon as they open their mouths. They don't just sound like women, their cadance and they way they talk is always 100% female. Look at any interview of Buck Angel and see if the illusion holds up as soon as he starts talking - he even uses his hands to talk in the way every young woman does. Maybe speech therapy could change that? I am not sure, I don't know anything about speech therapy.

I'm not saying some people who transitioned don't look good, but there are always tells. You're being fooled by posed images. I'll quote this from the Tranny Sideshows Thread because it's my favorite example of how trannies manipulate images. Both of these people are in the 5% of passing trannies and it's still obvious. Also because of the phalloplasty scar on the arm - that's really unfortunate.

A man and a women, looks allright, no? Again, trickery was involved...

 

[OttoWest]

I truly dont get the autism around here re. clocking ftms. Everybody acting like they can spot them in the wild is lying to themselves.

By your own admission you couldn’t even clock NikkieTutorials in person and he’s 6’4” and built like a linebacker.

 

[Popoto]

.... So because I am bored and autistic, I google translated "sex reassignment surgery" into various languages and hit search to see what came up, and I may have hit jackpot (link in Korean).

What caught my eye was the dilation instructions that had the hospital logo in English, "Yanhee Hospital."

The gist of the Korean seems to be that an underage boy (accompanied by his father) had an MTF surgery, which was brokered by a mysterious figure named "Peter Song".

Apparently this guy has a bit of a reputation (Reddit). The Koreans are really mad! (link with gore pics in Korean)

As soon as I figure out how to add pics, I am gonna update this post.

Spoiler: Hip augmentation pics

 

[mama Lazarou]

By your own admission you couldn’t even clock NikkieTutorials in person and he’s 6’4” and built like a linebacker.
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I invite you to the netherlands where the average height and weight of woman is 5.6 ft and 165 pounds . A 6 foot 250 pound shrek impersonater is par for the course.

Every FTM is clockable as soon as they open their mouths. They don't just sound like women, their cadance and they way they talk is always 100% female. Look at any interview of Buck Angel and see if the illusion holds up as soon as he starts talking - he even uses his hands to talk in the way every young woman does. Maybe speech therapy could change that? I am not sure, I don't know anything about speech therapy.

I'm not saying some people who transitioned don't look good, but there are always tells. You're being fooled by posed images. I'll quote this from the Tranny Sideshows Thread because it's my favorite example of how trannies manipulate images. Both of these people are in the 5% of passing trannies and it's still obvious. Also because of the phalloplasty scar on the arm - that's really unfortunate.

It's not about images, people seem to not want to accept how profoundly testosterone or even the absence of female hormones affect woman's appearance. Sure they may sound camp or slightly high pitched but so do a lot of natal man. There are plenty of gangly looking men out there that sound weedy youd never "accuse" them of being female.

If you watch tif detransitioners you ll recoil in horror.

 

[Constellationzero]

They don't just sound like women, their cadance and they way they talk is always 100% female. Look at any interview of Buck Angel and see if the illusion holds up as soon as he starts talking - he even uses his hands to talk in the way every young woman does.

Very very true.

Butch women--even hard butch women--are clockable when they open their mouths. There is a unique intonation and inflection to the voice. You know how ghey men/twinks have that undefinable ghey lispy accent that hails from no portion of the US, parallell universe, or otherwise?
With butch women, it isn't an "accent", it's an intonation and inflection on certain words. I have heard this even with Buck Angel and I imagine Leslie Feinberg sounded like this too.

 

[sperginity]

It's not about images, people seem to not want to accept how profoundly testosterone or even the absence of female hormones affect woman's appearance. Sure they may sound camp or slightly high pitched but so do a lot of natal man. There are plenty of gangly looking men out there that sound weedy youd never "accuse" them of being female.

If you watch tif detransitioners you ll recoil in horror.

Testosterone's effects on women are much more pronounced than estrogen's effects on men. A woman who stays on testosterone for several years has a good chance as passing as a manlet, mostly because of the beards that typically grow. There really should be separate protocols for FTMs and MTFs for getting hormones since the effects of testosterone are so hard to get rid of and have many social consequences in addition to causing health problems. While I think this is generally true and mostly agree with you, the other people disagreeing have some points on their side.

One point for them is that results may vary, and a whole lot of them never grow much facial hair for whatever reason, or they insist on shaving it and look strikingly female. Chase strangio of the ACLU is a dead ringer for lance from portlandia (but with a much higher voice, of course).


Chase's voice sounds like a woman and likely always will. The majority of FTMs seem to settle into a bart simpson range, which helps FTMs pass when they are young, but outs them when they get old. The voice and short stature together make the impression of a very young man, but a very young man's voice is haunting and weird coming out of an old person, like buck angel. Testosterone ages women really badly, so it is a (relatively) short term gain on passing to lower their voices to that range. I haven't heard any FTMs with REALLY deep voices, like a bass or barritone voice, the voice box simply won't grow enough to accommodate a normal male range of vocals so statistically a whole bunch of them are going to sound like women permanently. Some of them just get froggy and sound like they smoke a lot.

Another point for them is that, until recently, people didn't know about FTMs. Mostly they knew about trannies as MTFs. The possibility of a manlet actually being a woman didn't cross anyone's mind until it was forced into their consciousness, and now troons that would have passed as male are clocked all the time. You get used to clocking them if you have visited an area with lots of them (like anywhere that used to have a bunch of lesbians like SF, seattle, pdx, etc). You have to consciously look for FTMs to see them since it really doesn't matter if you detect one in your midst: they are unlikely to be doing anything perverted and are avoiding places reserved for women and children. your brain is going to be on much higher alert for males trying to pass themselves off as harmless as a base line, the threat involved draws attention out of self preservation instinct. There is zero penalty for assuming anyone questionable is really male, if you assumed everyone questionable looking was female then you're risking much more, I would find it plausible that the human instinct to detect sex is biased in favor of detecting male characteristics for that reason. The areas of the brain that recognize male vs female are very old in an evolutionary sense, it helps to think of how these systems might be constructed for safety rather than accuracy.

The FTMs that eat right and exercise have much more of a chance to pass than the majority which are doughy fat lumps with sparse whiskers. lesbians as a population already have a much higher rate of obesity and now transition in droves. Their fat shifts around a little but not enough to look male. It would be easy to mistake them for a woman who is post menopausal and simply doesn't care enough to shave off facial hairs.

tl;dr is FTMs pass more easily with HRT only, but within limits, and their passability may expire with age. There are characteristics that are common in males that they never seem to posses (like being over 6' tall while having a bass voice). It isn't as neat and tidy as anyone would hope.

 

[Peaches Demure]

Testosterone ages women really badly, so it is a (relatively) short term gain on passing to lower their voices to that range. I haven't heard any FTMs with REALLY deep voices, like a bass or barritone voice, the voice box simply won't grow enough to accommodate a normal male range of vocals so statistically a whole bunch of them are going to sound like women permanently. Some of them just get froggy and sound like they smoke a lot.

A significant number of FTMs also end up with a stereotypical 'midget' voice. It's a likely consequence of short female vocal cords thickening from testosterone use but not developing the length that gives a man's voice its depth and resonance.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

Every FTM is clockable as soon as they open their mouths. They don't just sound like women, their cadance and they way they talk is always 100% female. Look at any interview of Buck Angel and see if the illusion holds up as soon as he starts talking - he even uses his hands to talk in the way every young woman does. Maybe speech therapy could change that? I am not sure, I don't know anything about speech therapy.

I'm not saying some people who transitioned don't look good, but there are always tells. You're being fooled by posed images. I'll quote this from the Tranny Sideshows Thread because it's my favorite example of how trannies manipulate images. Both of these people are in the 5% of passing trannies and it's still obvious. Also because of the phalloplasty scar on the arm - that's really unfortunate.

Yes I'm going to get retardedly autistic about this but I think what you refer to as speech therapy for troons might be more like accent coaching. Speech therapy is shit like neurological issues in your language centers or mouth deformity leading to stammers or speech impediment. Troons attempting to "talk more male" is like when they take an american actor and drill him for two months until he can do a passable estuary accent for a film.

Regardless of my autism, it's simply a lost cause. The end all be all example? Look at Jazz Jennings. "Raised" and "socialized" female, and yet his mannerisms and speech STILL come off as a spoiled (if abused) prepubescent boy.

 

[Enjoy_the_Soylence]

By your own admission you couldn’t even clock NikkieTutorials in person and he’s 6’4” and built like a linebacker.
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One of the things nobody mentions about Nikki is the 'gay man voice.' He passes pretty well in the face, in heavy makeup, while sitting down, but the voice is a problem. Same with Jaime Clayton who I think is fairly convincing until he talks. Unfortunately casting directors insist on having him play a "cis woman" rather than at least a HSTS. Unless someone has extensive vocal training the illusion is always going to fall apart.

 

[Prescription Bugs]

Mr. Leeper was also the gentleman previously featured in this thread who had "tonsil stones" in his neovagina, so it's hardly surprising that something like that would come out of him.

Tonsil stones. Oh no no no.

Without being graphic, but okay I’m gonna be graphic... vaginas, real live healthy vaginas do not smell bad. They don’t get tonsil stones. I have a vagina and I’m sorry nothing like this is ever come out of it. Not with childbirth, periods, sex, or surgery.

The idea said above (can’t remember where) about these neovaginas smelling like a real vagina isn’t true. It can’t be. Vaginas are part of an entire system with interconnected parts . For example hormones, hysterectomy (and type of hysterectomy), child birth, age, diet... all of these things change the scent.

Vaginas are complex and amazing! If you start looking at all that is going on from lubrication, self cleansing, preparation for childbirth, sex... all of it... it’s stunning.

Unless I had a medical condition that wrecked my vagina, I wouldn’t ever want just a skin pocket. And if I were a transwoman , I imagine I would rather have a functioning penis that’s pleasurable (and maybe boobs cause everybody likes a good boob) than a skin pocket that puts out stinky dead skinsnot and doesn’t self lubricate or self cleanse or do any of the lovely things a real vagina does.

Its actually offensive to suggest a vagina pocket is similar in any way to a real vagina or to say the scent is similar, as though a healthy vagina smells bad. Many vagina attracted individuals will tell you that the scent of a quality, healthy vagina is attractive and musky, similar to some perfumes (once you start to notice this you can’t unnotice)—- it’s not fishy, it’s not whatever similarity they were trying to create here. The fake ones are none of these great vagina things.

Up with vaginas! Nothing about that brown piece of neovagina snot is sexy or natural.

It’s sad people are being sold a lie. Unless you’ve never spent time with a real vagina, this would not be attractive to someone who wants a real vagina.

That’s where I find some compassion because at some point 50 years down the road when they have an aging neovagina, it’s going to be a REAL BIG DEAL. 80 year old neovaginas, that’s gonna exist soon. And I don’t think people will be happy. But sadly 80 year old neophallus will be worse.
You’re lucky to get it up or get it wet at 80, you wanna trade that function for this neo stuff? Bad idea! Run away! Don’t do it!

 

[Precocious Halfwit]

Tonsil stones. Oh no no no.

Without being graphic, but okay I’m gonna be graphic... vaginas, real live healthy vaginas do not smell bad. They don’t get tonsil stones. I have a vagina and I’m sorry nothing like this is ever come out of it. Not with childbirth, periods, sex, or surgery.

The idea said above (can’t remember where) about these neovaginas smelling like a real vagina isn’t true. It can’t be. Vaginas are part of an entire system with interconnected parts . For example hormones, hysterectomy (and type of hysterectomy), child birth, age, diet... all of these things change the scent.

Vaginas are complex and amazing! If you start looking at all that is going on from lubrication, self cleansing, preparation for childbirth, sex... all of it... it’s stunning.

Unless I had a medical condition that wrecked my vagina, I wouldn’t ever want just a skin pocket. And if I were a transwoman , I imagine I would rather have a functioning penis that’s pleasurable (and maybe boobs cause everybody likes a good boob) than a skin pocket that puts out stinky dead skinsnot and doesn’t self lubricate or self cleanse or do any of the lovely things a real vagina does.

Its actually offensive to suggest a vagina pocket is similar in any way to a real vagina or to say the scent is similar, as though a healthy vagina smells bad. Many vagina attracted individuals will tell you that the scent of a quality, healthy vagina is attractive and musky, similar to some perfumes (once you start to notice this you can’t unnotice)—- it’s not fishy, it’s not whatever similarity they were trying to create here. The fake ones are none of these great vagina things.

Up with vaginas! Nothing about that brown piece of neovagina snot is sexy or natural.

It’s sad people are being sold a lie. Unless you’ve never spent time with a real vagina, this would not be attractive to someone who wants a real vagina.

That’s where I find some compassion because at some point 50 years down the road when they have an aging neovagina, it’s going to be a REAL BIG DEAL. 80 year old neovaginas, that’s gonna exist soon. And I don’t think people will be happy. But sadly 80 year old neophallus will be worse.
You’re lucky to get it up or get it wet at 80, you wanna trade that function for this neo stuff? Bad idea! Run away! Don’t do it!

As if any of these people are going to make 80.

You're dead on with everything you said about vaginas, though

 

[Reluctant MC]

I think there is some confusion here, puberty blockers are not used in conjunction with cross sex hormones because puberty blockers prevent all sex hormones from working. Patients are moved from puberty blockers onto cross sex hormones, which ruins the gonads and prevents them from making any of the normal sex hormones they would have otherwise made. I am going to guess the person you know was on testosterone blockers (spironolactone or "sprio" for short), which is a cheaper/older/less risky medication that works differently. Virtually everyone who says they're on HRT as a MTF is taking both estrogen and spironolactone. Studies have shown that testosterone blockers don't work very well. A fair amount of testosterone can still get through, depending on the patient. From what I understand spiro binds to the testosterone itself, with varying success, leaving any excess testosterone to bind to cells. Puberty blockers jam up the receptors for sex hormones, so sex hormones are prevented from getting into cells, regardless of if it is estrogen or testosterone.

In this thread there are examples of people who took spiro and estrogen but didn't have their sex drive killed until they got castrated, and then realized it was a mistake. The difference between a weakened libido and a non-existent one is pretty big.

I have heard of more than one person who only got a clear head after they got off of estrogen, too. Hope whoever your know going through this makes it out okay. If they change their mind they can get back on androgens and their dick will work again.

That would actually make sense. I doubt my person has interest in sex, so my main worry is mostly their mental health. I've heard testosterone can be a mood booster so I wondered if testosterone blockers were as effective as castration and it seems like you answered the question really well.
I hope I'm wrong about this because despite everything, I honestly wish them a happy peaceful life. However, sometimes I think: what would they be like now, with a normal male hormobal profile? Would they be more stable? Less stable? Would they cry less often? In any case, I think it's better they stay in touch with some people who are not activists, it can get pretty cult-like with enough isolation.

 

[Box of crickets]

Spoiler: Hip augmentation pics

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What the hell's going on here? Did they use napkins as the implant material?

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

What the hell's going on here? Did they use napkins as the implant material?

There seems to be reduced circulation

 

[Done and Dumb]

Have an interesting anecdote. I had a FTM therapist who was a little TMI about their surgeries. Apparently went to Serbia to get it done because landmines blowing off people's junk made them better at building junk? But then they developed fistulas and has to sit to pee anyways even after hundreds of thousands invested in bottom surgery.

 

[breadandcircuses]

Would've been better spent if the money was thrown in a barrel then lit on fire.

 

[Groovelord Neato]

Have an interesting anecdote. I had a FTM therapist who was a little TMI about their surgeries. Apparently went to Serbia to get it done because landmines blowing off people's junk made them better at building junk? But then they developed fistulas and has to sit to pee anyways even after hundreds of thousands invested in bottom surgery.

Why would anyone go see a therapist who clearly hadn't dealt with their own issues and decided that getting a shady operation in eastern Europe was a good idea?

 

[Done and Dumb]

Why would anyone go see a therapist who clearly hadn't dealt with their own issues and decided that getting a shady operation in eastern Europe was a good idea?

I saw them like, twice before I switched therapists. Very "open" person lmao

 

[Putin Bot]

Something that I really find interesting. They never show pictures of the nullofication surgeries. I think there might have only been one picture floating around on this thread, and he was waiting on his second surgery.

I don't know why, but this is literal male and female genital mutilation. They are doing the exact same goddamn things as they do in FGM.

I'm sorry, but the fact that I find you would mutilate your genitals to look like other sex's absolutely sane compared to this literal insanity. Holy fuck. I understand wanting to appear sexless, but jesus christ people, this is the Skoptsy. For those who don't know, the Skoptsy were a Russian religious christian cult who believed that by chopping off the sexual parts of their followers, only then they could obtain true purity and get into heaven.

Anyway, I hope this horrifies you just as it does for me:

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