The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

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Ahh, so you are from /pol/. Yet another example of crippling autism + /pol/ = huge retard

Like I said, get some behavioral therapy. You'll be a lot more functional in society then and maybe not have to live on SSDI. Although it's cute when people who get government checks are right-wingers and want to cut their own benefits
 
Ahh, so you are from /pol/. Yet another example of crippling autism + /pol/ = huge retard

Like I said, get some behavioral therapy. You'll be a lot more functional in society then and maybe not have to live on SSDI. Although it's cute when people who get government checks are right-wingers and want to cut their own benefits
everyone who you don't like is pol. it is the bogey-man.
 
Ahh, so you are from /pol/. Yet another example of crippling autism + /pol/ = huge retard

Like I said, get some behavioral therapy. You'll be a lot more functional in society then and maybe not have to live on SSDI. Although it's cute when people who get government checks are right-wingers and want to cut their own benefits
Every post that you make which isn't about abortion is a tacit admission that you can't argue yourself out of a paper bag.
 
Generally speaking if someone gets banned it's because someone they made mad was being a spaz and called a janny. You hit the report button, you're the spaz.

Because your baby is not a complete stranger who walked up to you and just randomly jumped into your body. You put him there, he has no choice but to be there, and he's your child. You can't cite self defense against someone who isn't attacking you, who is only doing what you made them do. Also, it's your fucking child, you have a duty to it.

Hunt for the word "consciousness" in the declaration of independence, in Locke, in any text originating the philosophies of Natural Rights. You will not find it. Human rights are bestowed by virtue of Humanity, not by virtue of consciousness. You have rights when you are sleeping. You have rights when you are in a coma. You have rights when you are a fetus. You even have rights when you are a corpse. If you exist in any capacity at all and you are human, you have rights.

This literally doesn't mean anything. It's like a dictionary definition where it just tells you a synonym.

Essentially no abortions are to save the mother's life. Essentially all abortions are elective procedures with no justification other than "i dont want it, kill it."
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Source? At first glance it seems 92% we don't know the reasons.

And aren't the economic ones also elective? Or does the welfare office now force abortions on people?
 
Every post that you make which isn't about abortion is a tacit admission that you can't argue yourself out of a paper bag.
Lol says the guy who makes up definitions for words, only sees the world in black and white and can't see anyone else's point of view due to debilitating autism

everyone who you don't like is pol. it is the bogey-man.
He's using a /pol/ meme, dude.
 
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Because your baby is not a complete stranger who walked up to you and just randomly jumped into your body. You put him there, he has no choice but to be there, and he's your child. You can't cite self defense against someone who isn't attacking you, who is only doing what you made them do. Also, it's your fucking child, you have a duty to it.
The duty someone has to their child is not one which concerns bodily autonomy, and if someone does not live up to their duties, the child is taken away and put into foster care, so it is not without limitations.

The fact remains that the legal and moral precedents which our society have set dictate that the right to bodily integrity is one which can be defended at the cost of someone else's life if the two are forced to come into conflict. If a rapist is forcing themselves upon someone, and the victim kills the rapist during the struggle, the law takes the side of the victim.

The issue of intent is irrelevant. If, hypothetically, the rapist was mentally ill and couldn't help themselves, it wouldn't change the line our society would draw. If we apply this precedent to abortion, then it's pretty clear that the pro-life stance on the issue can't be supported.
Hunt for the word "consciousness" in the declaration of independence, in Locke, in any text originating the philosophies of Natural Rights. You will not find it. Human rights are bestowed by virtue of Humanity, not by virtue of consciousness. You have rights when you are sleeping. You have rights when you are in a coma. You have rights when you are a fetus. You even have rights when you are a corpse. If you exist in any capacity at all and you are human, you have rights.
The people who wrote the Declaration of Independence couldn't even decide if "humanity" included black people, and you want me to dogmatically defer to them on the matter of what constitutes personhood? We've come a long way since the 18th century, you know, and I think you'll find that even back then, the general attitude towards abortion was not in line with what modern pro-lifers suggest should be policy.

Early Christian thought on the subject of abortion was mostly influenced by the Aristotelian concept of delayed ensoulment, and the writings of Christian scholars like Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine reflect this. The view they took was that before the very late stages of pregnancy, an embryo/fetus was ontologically on the same level as plant life: alive, but without a soul. It wasn't really until the middle of the 19th century that the modern pro-life movement began, after the Catholic church finally took a firm line against abortion, having decided that personhood begins at conception.

If we're going to look to history for vindication, my view on the subject is actually far closer to historical precedent than yours is.

Back in modern times, however, there's been a lot of development in the last century in areas such as animal rights which support my view on the subject of personhood. Dolphins and chimps, for instance, don't contain human DNA, but they are generally regarded to have rights above and beyond other animals because of their cognitive capacity.
 
The duty someone has to their child is not one which concerns bodily autonomy, and if someone does not live up to their duties, the child is taken away and put into foster care, so it is not without limitations.
It continually amazes me when pro-abortion advocates act like abandoning your child to fostercare is just completely morally fine.
The fact remains that the legal and moral precedents which our society have set dictate that the right to bodily integrity is one which can be defended at the cost of someone else's life if the two are forced to come into conflict. If a rapist is forcing themselves upon someone, and the victim kills the rapist during the struggle, the law takes the side of the victim.
Your bodily integrity is not being violated when you put a baby in yourself.
It's not rape. Stop pretending it's rape. .00000001% of cases do not get to justify your entire argument here.
The issue of intent is irrelevant. If, hypothetically, the rapist was mentally ill and couldn't help themselves, it wouldn't change the line our society would draw. If we apply this precedent to abortion, then it's pretty clear that the pro-life stance on the issue can't be supported.
There is no rapist. You are making up dumb hypotheticals to justify murdering babies.
The people who wrote the Declaration of Independence couldn't even decide if "humanity" included black people, and you want me to dogmatically defer to them on the matter of what constitutes personhood? We've come a long way since the 18th century, you know, and I think you'll find that even back then, the general attitude towards abortion was not in line with what modern pro-lifers suggest should be policy.
If you want to argue rights philosophy you have to use rights philosophy. You don't get to just make up your own.
If you don't want to hitch your wagon to Natural Rights, don't cite Natural Rights as your argument. This is like atheist commies arguing using bible verses. Stop being cringe.
There is no "natural rights, but take out all the theology." Natural rights are theology.
Back in modern times, however, there's been a lot of development in the last century in areas such as animal rights which support my view on the subject of personhood.
This sounds like a coherent right and like you're on the side of good by the way you phrased it, but the "development" you're talking about is removing rights, not expanding them, and I will not pretend otherwise because you know how to frame things in your favor.



and can't see anyone else's point of view due to debilitating autism
Sir you sperg out whenever we, the people who think it's murder, refer to it as murder in our own posts. You're the one who can't see other's points of view.
 
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It continually amazes me when pro-abortion advocates act like abandoning your child to fostercare is just completely morally fine.
I never said it was morally fine, but what it does illustrate is that the responsibility parents have towards their children have limitations, and it is for the good of the children that they do, otherwise there would be many more children left in abusive circumstances.
Your bodily integrity is not being violated when you put a baby in yourself.
It's not rape. Stop pretending it's rape. .00000001% of cases do not get to justify your entire argument here.
The difference between rape and consensual sex is that the former goes against a person's will, and there can often be a fine line between the two. A sexual act which starts out as consensual can become rape if one of the participants makes it known that they no longer want to continue while the other does not respect this wish.

If we apply this logic to pregnancy, then the matter of whether or not the conception was consensual is besides the point. As soon as the woman no longer wants to continue the pregnancy, she should have the right to end it.
If you want to argue rights philosophy you have to use rights philosophy. You don't get to just make up your own.
If you don't want to hitch your wagon to Natural Rights, don't cite Natural Rights as your argument. This is like atheist commies arguing using bible verses. Stop being cringe.
There is no "natural rights, but take out all the theology." Natural rights are theology.
I'm not sure which "natural rights" your argument is supposed to be based on, because natural rights as traditionally conceived (by Locke and others) come with the caveat that one person's rights end where another person's rights begin. If we are to assume that a fetus is a person (a notion I don't agree with, but for the sake of this argument I'll assume that they are), then they do not have the right to reside within someone else's body against that person's consent.
This sounds like a coherent right and like you're on the side of good by the way you phrased it, but the "development" you're talking about is removing rights, not expanding them, and I will not pretend otherwise because you know how to frame things in your favor.
I don't see how the recognition that certain rights should extend to animals constitutes a removal of said rights.
 
I didn't come from there. However, since you're a right-wing tard who joined here in 2019, I am guessing you did
Sure I've been to /pol/ and I've been to kiwifarms. I don't feel the need to talk about either constantly.

I don't even know what /pol/ meme you're talking about, which gives me the impression that you've been to /pol/ more than I have.
 
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I don't even know what /pol/ meme you're talking about
It goes something like this
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I never said it was morally fine, but what it does illustrate is that the responsibility parents have towards their children have limitations, and it is for the good of the children that they do, otherwise there would be many more children left in abusive circumstances.
You suggested it as a reasonable and acceptable course of action. You're saying it's morally fine. By saying that the responsibility has limitations you are saying that the methods people use to abdicate those responsibilities are absolutely fine and acceptable. No, that responsibility does not have limitations.
If we apply this logic to pregnancy, then the matter of whether or not the conception was consensual is besides the point. As soon as the woman no longer wants to continue the pregnancy, she should have the right to end it.
No, because once the person exists, it's a person. You don't get to fucking end them once they exist. You have gone past the point of no return. You cannot remove them without murdering them. You chose to get into that situation. You are now stuck with it. That's that. No one cares if you consent to the consequences of your choices that you don't like. You still chose them.
I'm not sure which "natural rights" your argument is supposed to be based on, because natural rights as traditionally conceived (by Locke and others) come with the caveat that one person's rights end where another person's rights begin. If we are to assume that a fetus is a person (a notion I don't agree with, but for the sake of this argument I'll assume that they are), then they do not have the right to reside within someone else's body against that person's consent.
They literally do have that right, because that "someone" is their fucking mother. What is wrong with you people? Stop using vague language like "someone else's body." It's a very specific person's body, with a specific relationship to the fetus that obligates them to care for that fetus, and who made that fetus themselves by conscious choice and put it in their body by conscious choice.
It abso-fucking-lutely has a right to be there.
 
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