Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Roybertitos]

Take Moderna then. A chance of blood clots is better than whatever the fuck the Chinese do.

Novavax is made by an American company, of course I'd never consider anything shilled by the Chinks. I'm half convinced they're just dumping their stock of worthless 50% something efficacy vaccines in my country and charging us for the privilege.

 

[Gehenna]

Novavax is made by an American company, of course I'd never consider anything shilled by the Chinks. I'm half convinced they're just dumping their stock of worthless 50% something efficacy vaccines in my country and charging us for the privilege.

Had to refresh my memory since I thought Novavax was the Chinese one. it definitely seems the best bet, longer, more thorough tests using proven methods. A few corners's cut, but largely those corners are not terribly consequential in anything but edge cases.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

The other challenge that's gone largely unaddressed is the number of black people that complain about the disproportionate number of COVID cases they've had while refusing to either get vaccinated or do the things that minimize the spread of COVID. It's hard ot be sold on their claims of racism when it comes to fighting COVID when they're refusing to do anything helpful for themselves. Sure, some black public figures have gone public to say they've been vaccinated and others should to, but they're easy to dismiss as white behaving/sellouts/Uncle Toms/etc. by the usual suspects.

Little derail, but one could argue that bitching about their problems and then actively refusing to do anything about them, crying racism, and ostracizing any who make the slightest steps to change things is emblematic of...several things in the black community.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Took a nap today and had a dream that I was in a store where NOBODY was wearing a mask in a grocery store and thought how great it was that all the restrictions and dumb laws were gone and things were finally getting back to normal. I might just go in a store (IIRC one or two chains have dropped their policies, plus I'm sure some local businesses have too) and not get curbside pickup (because fuck you, won't wear a mask, you do my work for me) for the first time in over a year and gawk at the maskcucks who oppose the science from the CDC. Things definitely seem to be turning around in the US when even dumb blue city mayors are dropping their failed restrictions. Of course, we're about a year late from when this should've all been done, but I'm glad this experiment in totalitarianism is ending.

Biggest question is going to be what happens this winter when there will be a natural spike in cases. I expect cancelling Christmas will run into even more resistance this year (and there's even less police to enforce it at this rate) and putting the chains back on is going to be handing the Republicans even more ammunition to win in 2022. Sucks to be most countries though, since you will stay locked down until next summer at this rate, just like the Experts who follow the Science and certain retards on Kiwifarms demand.

 

[weeeeb]

I mean if you look at the narrative surrounding the Yankee outbreak, they've already prepared for that- "there are cases but now that you have the vaccine its fine!". I expect that is what will be used for winter.

 

[Meriasek]

Numbers are dropping. Oddly enough, while the "new cases" have shown a clear third wave that is now dropping down, the daily deaths have been at a constant ~200 per day since March, with very weak correlation to the amount of daily new positives and the ICU numbers.
So at the peak in mid April we had about 5000 people in the ICUs for the Coof. At the dip in March, between "second" and "third wave", there were about 2700 people in the ICUs with the Coof. 7-day average death toll per day ranged from like 140 to 270 since March, with the death toll not following the ICU curve at all, which is what is usually expected.
The "Federal Emergy Brake" went in effect on 21st of April, right at the peak of the "third wave", after numbers had been stagnating for several weeks. Numbers started to drop sharply less than one week later.

Here's what we're supposed to believe:
- The mutations causing the third wave are super dangerous and deadly, and the next wave in autumn will kill us all
- ICUs were at the breaking point despite not being close to the maximum reached in January, not to mention that Germany has more ICU capacity per capita than pretty much anyone else, and no other country, despite higher incidences, came close to its ICU limits on a larger scale (hotspots are different)
- "Long Covid" is a super dangerous thing for children and the whole Coof is super dangerous to children
- The "Federal Emergency Brake" managed to break the "third wave" immediately, despite everyone being told that new restrictions and stuff always take like two weeks at least to show an effect

And too many other things.
This is making me crazy. I'm not knowledgeable in epidemiology or health economics or any of these things, but I'm not blind and not completely tarded. The timelines and numbers are there for everyone to see, and they don't make sense. They don't say what people tell me they're saying.
And people just accept whatever they're being told.

I'm not against getting vaccinated, not at all. But I AM against getting vaccinated just because someone tells me to get vaccinated. I would like to see the benefit of getting vaccinated. It's not that I'm scared of side effects or long term effects or anything like that, I know enough about risk calculations and numbers to not get scared by that sort of stuff. But I do not like being told to do stuff for no reason. I do not like taking medications without a very good reason to do so.
And the vaccination? What does it do for me or anyone around me? It doesn't prevent me from spreading the Coof, does it? It prevents me from getting a serious case, but then again, the risk for me is extremely low anyway. So what's the point? I'll need to get vaccinated not to protect myself or others, I'll need to get vaccinated so I'll be allowed outside with a muzzle again, or do things without having to get a proof of my health every single time.
If it was about health, I'd have no issue with it. But so far nobody could explain to me what the health benefit is for me.

Further fun headlines, same publication (publically funded broadcasting):
10th of February: "Vitamin D does not protect against infection"
15th of May: "Vitamin D useful against Covid19 after all"
17th of May: "No reversal of positions at the BfR after all" (meaning: Vitamin D does nothing, only the vax will redeem you)
Branch Covidians were outraged that anyone could publically suggest that anything but the communion the vax could lead to redemption safety from the Coof, but now all is well again.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

I've heard that on July 1st the "pandemic" will be declared over so BIG PHARMA can sell the vaccines at full retail price.

 

[Anya15]

I'm honestly taken by surprise at how quickly the virus regime is drying up and blowing away, at least in America. Did the tyrants just get tired of capriciously exercising all that power? Why? As others have pointed out, it wasn't even two months ago that the volume on this shit was still set at deafening levels and propaganda designed to perpetuate fear was being ceaselessly blasted at us 24/7. What exactly changed?

Some have speculated that the economic numbers spooked the powers that be, but I'm left wondering why they would give a shit. Economic devastation for the peasantry was such an obvious result of enacting the lockdowns that it would logically seem to be the desired outcome. I mean I'd much rather this bullshit become a thing of the past and want to welcome this development, but I'm wary that we're just moving on to the next phase of whatever the architects of this nightmare have planned. I hope that's just my fevered paranoiac tendencies, but we'll see.

Simple: the tyrants realize that pissing off the common people that clearly outnumber them is a really bad idea.

 

[Meriasek]

People are complaining about triage on Twitter.
No, not triage in ICUs so people are dying in the streets. Despite our media telling us that it totally will happen, it never happened.
Triage in children- and youth psychiatries, where they have so many patients now that if the kid is just depressed and not actively suicidal, they don't get a place.
Needless to say the Branch Covidians are out in full force pointing out that youth psychiatry has always been underfunded and that "Long Covid" is much worse than a bit of suicide.

I don't see the pandemic declared over this year. Or any year, really. At least not here.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

I'm honestly taken by surprise at how quickly the virus regime is drying up and blowing away, at least in America. Did the tyrants just get tired of capriciously exercising all that power? Why? As others have pointed out, it wasn't even two months ago that the volume on this shit was still set at deafening levels and propaganda designed to perpetuate fear was being ceaselessly blasted at us 24/7. What exactly changed?

Some have speculated that the economic numbers spooked the powers that be, but I'm left wondering why they would give a shit. Economic devastation for the peasantry was such an obvious result of enacting the lockdowns that it would logically seem to be the desired outcome. I mean I'd much rather this bullshit become a thing of the past and want to welcome this development, but I'm wary that we're just moving on to the next phase of whatever the architects of this nightmare have planned. I hope that's just my fevered paranoiac tendencies, but we'll see.

I have never been one who thought the virus was a hoax, nor am I vaccine hesitant for myself. I had the Pfizer second shot over the weekend, it was fine. I haven't really been inconvenienced by the virus thanks to DeSantis, but I was willing to believe most everyone out there, including Fauci, meant well, just were disorganized, deranged by politics, etc.

But turning on a *dime* like this? Overnight. Because last Wednesday I was talking to my boss about this awards thing I’m in charge of, which will be in August, and asking if he thought there was any reason to plan for a contingency in which it was not done 100% WFH via Zoom, and he was like nah no way. Literally the next day, the CDC announces no masks for the vaccinated, and by yesterday, the C-suite had decided this shit would be all 1000 people on site, with Zoom as a contingency.

Imagine if you were someone who allowed their entire life to be ruined for a year over this, and how you’d feel knowing that based on no new research, no new trigger, the CDC just went boom ok you guise you do you!!! Out of nowhere, no guidance for anything, no word about unvaccinated kids, like normally you’d expect an announcement it was being reviewed and considered, and some sort of guidance would be coming, say a few weeks out, and there would be fanfare etc, but this came overnight. I think that’s the problem for them, that’s why they can’t be happy at the idea of it being over, and don’t want to give it up. That’s why they have to pretend Florida is hiding a million dead bodies somewhere. What if everywhere could‘ve done something similar? What if the virus *is* real, did need *some* public measures to mitigate, but just didn’t require the excesses they endured because they were convinced they had to be that draconian or it was a death sentence?

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I swear, I think the reason they're dragging their feet on authorizing the use of the J&J vaccine up in Canada is because it would defeat their little fucking game of "wEll yOuRe nOt fUllY vAcCinAted sO tImE foR mOrE MasKs aNd lOcKdOwnS, bIgoT".

More masks.... I'm tempting to call them "maskurbators". Btw, one guy replied to a tweet posted by Kamala about masks. https://archive.ph/o0dXg#selection-3431.0-3468.0

 

[Bosmadden]

Phizer isn't an option in my country, we even lucked out finding Moderna here. For most citizens it's either AstraZeneca or the Chinese shit so graciously gifted to us by the CCP. I might just take Novavax if ever since it's at least made as a traditional vaccine apparently.

Id choose the Chinese one. It's an actual inactivated vaccine not a mRNA gene therapy.

Yes it's pretty much useless but it won't leave you exposed to the potentially catastrophic effects of the western not vaccines.

The CCP have instructed local governments not to mandate it for their populations, which is an odd thing for the CCP to do until you realize that they know it's useless and they're doing it for PR only.

The question we should be asking ourselves is why the Chinese are choosing not to use ANY of the western vaccines? Also why they're choosing not to use mRNA tech for their own vaccine.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The question we should be asking ourselves is why the Chinese are choosing not to use ANY of the western vaccines? Also why they're choosing not to use mRNA tech for their own vaccine.

No need to over-complicate it. China is in the grip of a nationalist cult of personality. Bringing in foreign vaccines of any sort would be a huge loss of face, so they make their own useless vaccine instead, give it away to the world to promote CHINA NUMBAH WAN, and pretend everything is fine.

 

[Agent Scud]

Id choose the Chinese one. It's an actual inactivated vaccine not a mRNA gene therapy.

Yes it's pretty much useless but it won't leave you exposed to the potentially catastrophic effects of the western not vaccines.

This is why I plan on getting the J&J once work requires we are vaccinated. Traditional and I suspect it works more like a flu shot than anything else (correct me if I'm wrong).

Last I heard our administration can't require employees to get vaccinated yet because none of them have actual FDA approval, however they may not require you to get tested weekly anymore if you are vaccinated while nothing changes for the unvaccinated. Masks, I believe, were not mentioned. Speaking of, Cuomo lifted the mask mandate effective tomorrow, surprisingly, and the deli I frequent has already removed their face covering signs. Not going to get my hopes up, as I'm sure one of the variants will conveniently appear and wreak havoc by winter, but I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Hippopatumus]

I'm not sure if employers are going to be requiring vaccinations now that adverse events are a OSHA recordable event.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

10th of February: "Vitamin D does not protect against infection"
15th of May: "Vitamin D useful against Covid19 after all"
17th of May: "No reversal of positions at the BfR after all" (meaning: Vitamin D does nothing, only the vax will redeem you)
Branch Covidians were outraged that anyone could publically suggest that anything but the communion the vax could lead to redemption safety from the Coof, but now all is well again.

They're killing people with advice like that. It's technically true, since vitamin D does not stop you from being infected, but if you are infected (which can happen even if you have their holy vaccine) then vitamin D will help you out big time since it reduces the severity of symptoms. My grandmother (who's in her 80s) caught the Chinese flu and survived with zero problems thanks to the fact she'd been taking vitamin D (and zinc) for months before thanks to advice of her relatives who didn't buy into the media narrative (which never mentioned vitamin D and zinc).

For the love of God, take vitamin D, no mattter how old you are or how fit you are, because you're probably deficient/barely meeting recommendations. Remember that humans evolved to be outside all day mostly naked and your ancestors were the same until the most recent millennia. I started taking vitamin D and zinc just in case I caught Chinavirus because I wanted less severe symptoms (even though I'm fit and regularly exercise outdoors) and I felt the best I have in years.

This is why I plan on getting the J&J once work requires we are vaccinated. Traditional and I suspect it works more like a flu shot than anything else (correct me if I'm wrong).

This thread makes me think it's a flu shot with a much higher than normal rate of adverse symptoms. However, it's probably not as questionable as the other vaccines long term where we have little data (and even that might not be so bad, just at a far higher rate than we'd want).

 

[Carnavoyeur]

This is why I plan on getting the J&J once work requires we are vaccinated. Traditional and I suspect it works more like a flu shot than anything else (correct me if I'm wrong).

J&J is a vector vaccine. The tech has been studied longer than mRNA but there's only been two approved for use, an ebola vaccine in 2019 and another in 2020 (made by J&J interestingly enough). Technically not a "traditional" vaccine, but close enough.

 

[Meriasek]

Funny, Twitter trend is "WeWon'tGetOurChildrenVaccinated", which is a totally natural and real trend and not a psyop AT ALL, like how there were significant numbers of people honestly afraid of morgellons (or who even knew what that is) or anti-vaxxers putting on masks to protect themselves from the spike proteins spread by vaxxed people.

 

[Roybertitos]

This is why I plan on getting the J&J once work requires we are vaccinated. Traditional and I suspect it works more like a flu shot than anything else (correct me if I'm wrong).

Didn't J&J peel a guy's skin off? I'm also thinking that it cause a lady's legs to get amputated or something, but it might have been another vaccine. You know, thinking about it, in both stories both people stressed that vaccines in general are safe for the majority of people. They really focus on that part, maybe they want people to be scared of the traditional vaccines so that people go for the MRNA shit? Just a thought that occurred to me just now.

 

[FatalTater]

I do love how the famous folk that are vehemently pro-mask (AOC, David Hogg etc) are so unlikable that it's going to make people stop wearing them out of spite.

If people could go out and link arms with strangers in the streets last summer and not die? If people could go to political rallies and sit near each other and cheer and not die? I feel like it's going to be okay.