Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You realize vaccine immunity won't last either right?
Do you understand how vaccines even work?

They might, we don't know if they will or not. According to latest CDC data, the vaccines have done a better job protecting against the variants than expected. If you're talking needing a booster, he put that in his post.

He probably understands how herd immunity works, though, unlike you. He also probably knows there's different covid vaccines other than the mRNA ones that you're terrified of because you don't understand science.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

They might, we don't know if they will or not. According to latest CDC data, the vaccines have done a better job protecting against the variants than expected. If you're talking needing a booster, he put that in his post.

Variants are neither here nor there.

If natural immunity (actually not true in most cases) doesn't last, then why the fuck would vaccine immunity work?

He probably understands how herd immunity works, though, unlike you.

I know how herd immunity works and I have explained it to you but you either don't read or don't care.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

You realize vaccine immunity won't last either right?
Do you understand how vaccines even work?

My point entirely was the side effects of the vaccine, for me, were worse than having covid. I will not get the booster because I'd rather have covid than repeat how the vaccine impacted me.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

My point entirely was the side effects of the vaccine, for me, were worse than having covid. I will not get the booster because I'd rather have covid than repeat how the vaccine impacted me.

Oh okay, fair enough. I see what you're saying.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

You can pick your poison, vaccine or the coof. I don't see what the big deal is and the constant push to get jabbed.

 

[Gaussiana]

Variants are neither here nor there.

If natural immunity (actually not true in most cases) doesn't last, then why the fuck would vaccine immunity work?

I know how herd immunity works and I have explained it to you but you either don't read or don't care.

Yes, variants do matter. For example, in the case of a city in Brazil, where about 76% of people got infected, herd immunity was not achieved because of the introduction of variants and the amount of people getting re-infected with those variants. This is an interesting case of a city where very few and uneven mitigation actions were taken place, the researchers compare infection and death rates to those of Sao Paulo and the difference is very striking.

Back to the point of vaccines, some have proven to prevent serious illness and death against variants. Which is very good news for someone who's never been infected or had a very mild infection which imo should be prioritized for vaccination. I do agree that if you had a symptomatic natural infection there's no rush to take the jab at all much less the second dose, and those who have had a known infection less than 8 months previous to the administration of the vaccine show some of the most unpleasant side effects. You already have very good antibodies, keep in mind though that only about 30% of the US tops have contracted covid and out of those the immune response varies immensely.

Right now the future seems good as infection/death is falling (which btw should be the criteria for lifting measures, not % of people vaccinated) and most people have some degree of immunity either from having the virus or via the vaccine. It's hard to say if new variants of concern will arise, though if they do arise they won't come from the US, Europe or Israel but Africa or South America. Everything is reopening and I wonder what will the people who've based their entire personality on being for/against covid measures will do now. Find a new hobby I guess.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Variants are neither here nor there.

If natural immunity (actually not true in most cases) doesn't last, then why the fuck would vaccine immunity work?

Wow, you really are proving you're full of shit about being a biologist now. Vaccines can be longer or shorter, depending on the vaccine. For example, HPV vaccine does a longer immunity than natural immunity. Same with tetanis. It's cute when you anti-vax retards claim to be biologists, though Taking remedial biology in high school doesn't make you a biologist.

Not to mention that we don't even know how long the vaccine immunity or the natural immunity is for covid yet.

I know how herd immunity works and I have explained it to you but you either don't read or don't care.

Lol sure ya did. You weren't even aware how vaccines effect herd immunity, what a viral vector vaccine is, or that there's non-mRNA vaccines for covid. It's cute how you pretend to be a biologist and that some of the other retards on here actually believe you

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Yes, variants do matter. For example, in the case of a city in Brazil, where about 76% of people got infected, herd immunity was not achieved because of the introduction of variants and the amount of people getting re-infected with those variants.

You and I are arguing two different points.
My comment was about original substrain COVID being able to reinfect.

Variants are a completely different topic.

It's cute when you anti-vax retards claim to be biologists, though Taking remedial biology in high school doesn't make you a biologist.

It's cute how you pretend to be a biologist and that some of the other retards on here actually believe you

No dipshit, a bachelors, a fucking masters and working with animals in the field makes me a fucking biologist.

But its cute how you claim to be a medical professional by reguritating MSM talking points and repeating shit you saw on facebook.

Lol sure ya did. You weren't even aware how vaccines effect herd immunity,

Vaccination helps reach herd immunity.
You still haven't explained why the healthy need herd immunity - especially in a situation where the vulnerable are getting immunized first anyways.

what a viral vector vaccine is, or that there's non-mRNA vaccines for covid.

Except I literally fucking did.
How many times you going to accuse me of saying the sky is red when I have already said its blue?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

No dipshit, a bachelors, a fucking masters and working with animals in the field makes me a fucking biologist.

But its cute how you claim to be a medical professional by reguritating MSM talking points and repeating shit you saw on facebook.

Uh huh. Then you should understand basic concepts of biology that you clearly don't understand.

Vaccination helps reach herd immunity.
You still haven't explained why the healthy need herd immunity - especially in a situation where the vulnerable are getting immunized first anyways.

Herd immunity helps to prevent the spread. I see you clearly don't understand the concept. Did you get your masters through a cereal prize? Your mom should've told you those aren't real degrees, man.

Except I literally fucking did.
How many times you going to accuse me of saying the sky is red when I have already said its blue?

Lol no you didn't. You said you wouldn't get this vaccine because it's mRNA, without even referencing the others and said that covid vaccines are untested and reliant on new technology, despite the fact that viral vector vaccines have been in use for 40+ years.

Again, not too many biologists who are anti-vaxers.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Uh huh. Then you should understand basic concepts of biology that you clearly don't understand.

Says the dude with no understanding of what it takes to cause a population bottleneck effect.

Herd immunity helps to prevent the spread. I see you clearly don't understand the concept.

Still haven't explained why it matters to me.

Lol no you didn't. You said you wouldn't get this vaccine because it's mRNA, without even referencing the others

Except I did.

Again, not too many biologists who are anti-vaxers.

Not an anti-vaxxer.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Says the dude with no understanding of what it takes to cause a population bottleneck effect.

I am not the one lying about being a biologist. I am not a biologist, nor do I claim to be. But if even I can see you're full of shit about basic concepts, it's obvious you're either lying or trash awful and unqualified at your job.

Except I did.

No you didn't.

Not an anti-vaxxer.

Sure are. You're spouting all their talking points.

 

[Sanshain]

the researchers compare infection and death rates to those of Sao Paulo and the difference is very striking.

In Manaus, the IFRs were 0.17% and 0.28%, taking into consideration the numbers of polymerase chain reaction (PCR)–confirmed COVID-19 deaths and probable COVID-19 deaths based on syndromic identification, respectively.

In São Paulo, the global IFRs were 0.46% and 0.72%, respectively.

No they fucking aren't, you idiot. Learn to read your own data. A below-0.5% difference is not 'striking', it's not even 'significant'. It's nothing. It's so tiny it should be regarded as a statistical anomaly, easily explained by the fact São Paulo has a much older population. The study even admits that one sentence later.

 

[Gaussiana]

In Manaus, the IFRs were 0.17% and 0.28%, taking into consideration the numbers of polymerase chain reaction (PCR)–confirmed COVID-19 deaths and probable COVID-19 deaths based on syndromic identification, respectively.

In São Paulo, the global IFRs were 0.46% and 0.72%, respectively.

No they fucking aren't, you idiot. Learn to read your own data. A below-0.5% difference is not 'striking', it's not even 'significant'. It's nothing. It's so tiny it should be regarded as a statistical anomaly, easily explained by the fact São Paulo has a much older population. The study even admits that one sentence later.

I wasn't referring to the IFR. I was clearly talking about herd immunity vs variants you fucking schizo.

ETA: I stand by my general point but I did misspeak. Omit implied importance of death rates, main idea is incidence of re infection,

 

[AnOminous]

• Feelings of impending doom

That's called being alive, fag. Impending doom is always coming.

 

[EyelessMC]

Taking remedial biology in high school [...] It's cute how you pretend to be a biologist

Didn't you learn from Sargon that being smug doesn't deflect scrutiny over what you say and only makes you look like an idiot who's feigning intelligence?

I would ask that you respond to any of the recent scientific information provided once you're done hate-masturbating to the poster whom you've dedicated a shrine to in your head, but I know that you'd just smuckle and mutter something about anti-vaxxers, or maybe again erroneously mention that you "work with doctors" but...won't say in what capacity and what field.

This is what I meant early on about uber-vaxxers being fundamentally incapable of actually discussing anything sincerely, since the minute they start recognizing that aspects of their perspective are flawed--in this case the idea that only anti-vaxxers would avoid/be concerned about the Covid vax and subjects surrounding it--they start looping and refusing to acknowledge reality.
Because they refuse to lose faith in any way

 

[AnOminous]

Didn't you learn from Sargon that being smug doesn't deflect scrutiny over what you say and only makes you look like an idiot who's feigning intelligence?

I would ask that you respond to any of the recent scientific information provided once you're done hate-masturbating to the poster whom you've dedicated a shrine to in your head, but I know that you'd just smuckle and mutter something about anti-vaxxers, or maybe again erroneously mention that you "work with doctors" but...won't say in what capacity and what field.

This is what I meant early on about uber-vaxxers being fundamentally incapable of actually discussing anything sincerely, since the minute they start recognizing that aspects of their perspective are flawed--in this case the idea that only anti-vaxxers would avoid/be concerned about the Covid vax and subjects surrounding it--they start looping and refusing to acknowledge reality.
Because they refuse to lose faith in any way
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All I hear is a bunch of angry reeeeing.

 

[Devyn]

In Manaus, the IFRs were 0.17% and 0.28%, taking into consideration the numbers of polymerase chain reaction (PCR)–confirmed COVID-19 deaths and probable COVID-19 deaths based on syndromic identification, respectively.

The inventor of PCR, Kary Mullis:

Also, he really didn't like Anthony Fauci:

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Didn't you learn from Sargon that being smug doesn't deflect scrutiny over what you say and only makes you look like an idiot who's feigning intelligence?

I would ask that you respond to any of the recent scientific information provided once you're done hate-masturbating to the poster whom you've dedicated a shrine to in your head, but I know that you'd just smuckle and mutter something about anti-vaxxers, or maybe again erroneously mention that you "work with doctors" but...won't say in what capacity and what field.

This is what I meant early on about uber-vaxxers being fundamentally incapable of actually discussing anything sincerely, since the minute they start recognizing that aspects of their perspective are flawed--in this case the idea that only anti-vaxxers would avoid/be concerned about the Covid vax and subjects surrounding it--they start looping and refusing to acknowledge reality.
Because they refuse to lose faith in any way
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I never claimed to be a biologist. I am just explaining how even I, with my elementary understanding of biology, can tell he's full of shit about his claims or that he's incredible incompetent at his job.

I'd rather people be enthusiastic about vaccines than be anti-vax tards like you, though

 

[EyelessMC]

I never claimed to be a biologist.

No you just claimed to trust the doctors who you "work with" and never explained that. And good job proving what I said about you in every way. Again.

Also, he really didn't like Anthony Fauci:

Talk about proving someone right about you, Flip-Flop Fauci really proved Mullis's description to a T. If only this wasn't made into partisan hackery and we had some journalists bringing up footage like this from the start.

Spoiler: Archive: Kary Mullis on Fauci

Here's a nifty vid I found which explains carefully the mass misinterpretation of PCR test results in Covid testing, too

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I never claimed to be a biologist. I am just explaining how even I, with my elementary understanding of biology, can tell he's full of shit about his claims or that he's incredible incompetent at his job.

I'd rather people be enthusiastic about vaccines than be anti-vax tards like you, though

Aren't people who criticize the coof vaccines also enthusiastic? One can be enthusiastic and support the product or one can be enthusiastic and dislike/criticize the product. They're both forms of enthusiasm, no?