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Do you really need to be explained how insane your statement is? Anyway, prior to Covid people had the right to receive or reject vaccines at-will and not be forced to wear masks regardless of their personal decision. That is what people want to return to. Stipulation of rights =/= return of rights. "Vaxed or Masked"
You tell 'em! To hell with those regressive right-wingers and their totally anti-vax orange toupee! DUCK TROMALD FLUMPH!
lol now I'm right-wing. Always have to make it about partisan politics... You, AnOminous, etc. It's a sporadic compulsion with you people. And also, again... View attachment 2194172
You don't even have the balls to admit you're a right-winger when you're arguing right-wing talking points and defending right-wing tards on here. That's cute.
I get it, you have a super special job where you high-five doctors and get called out to the "front lines", presumably to be helicoptered into war zones to make sure medics can access their wifi. The point wasn't what you do specifically. I don't care whether you run diagnostics and patch entire mainframes or if you just make sure the office computers are plugged in. The point is that your field of work makes your arrogance comical.
"You tards"? What are you on about? You lumped me with anti-vax, then lumped me with right-wingers and now you're lumping me in with those who tried to dox you. It's like I'm on Twitter.
Again, you're arguing these retards' talking points about vaccines and defending them. Why wouldn't I put you in with them? And yeah, my job does involve me going to units in the hospital and stuff. That's called the "front line" during covid, you retard. The guy you're defending is obviously lying about being a biologist, and if he's not, then his lack of standard knowledge of biology (he still doesn't understand herd immunity based on his recent posts) is comical and he's dangerously unqualified to be touting being a "biologist" as a reason to listen to him about not taking vaccines.
That's it? lol So the extent of your knowledge is no different than anyone else just asking and listening to their doctors.
You've been talking down to people for ages about this and kept mentioning working in a hospital and "working with doctors" and your doctor friends only to admit you glean your information the same as anyone else.
Do you see what I mean about comical arrogance?
"Your concern is rational, however stop rationalizing your concern"
Except the tards in this thread are generally not getting their advice from doctors but instead from unqualified retards on the internet. How you can't see this is beyond me. Well, I can see that because you're just another one of those tards, but still
Yes, and sometimes a seatbelt will trap you in a burning car. It takes an absolute retard completely incapable of judging probabilities to think that risk outweighs the nearly innumerable times a seatbelt actually saves your life instead. You have to be an innumerate imbecile to think the risk of a vaccine is worse than the risk of the actual disease.
Kind of have to call you out there for that false equivalency. The odds of a fatal car crash without a seat-belt are immeasurably greater than the odds of dying to the coof without a vaccine unless you are already very unhealthy. I support elderly people getting vaccinated because frankly, they're old, they aren't going to live long enough for any serious side-effects to become a factor. My parents are vaccinated, I'm not, nor will I be. I'm still young enough and healthy enough that if I catch Covid, I have an over-99% chance of survival, and likely wouldn't even notice it. If I have to stay a bit more isolated than normal because of that, fine. I see no reason to take unnecessary risks to prevent a disease I have an incredibly remote chance of catching and an essentially 100% chance of surviving anyway.
I have a lot of contacts in poorer countries like Latin-America due to my work, and I've made sure to ask them what their situations are. They have basically no access to the vaccine at all. If their governments are claiming to be vaccinating people, they're lying, flat out. It's not available, period. Yet of the 20+ people I know in a society where huge, multi-generational families are common, not a single person has lost a relative to Covid. Have some of them caught it? Yes. Have any of them died? No. These are people from extremely poor demographics with almost no access whatsoever to modern healthcare, and yet the varus is such a complete fucking non-entity in their lives that they react with confusion and amusement when I ask them about the mountains of corpses that are supposed to be piling up in their towns and cities according to western media.
There is such an incomprehensible dissonance between the reality the media portrays of the varus and the reality that literally everyone I know across the globe is actually living in. Therefore, I am not willing to risk my health over a vaccine that has not gone through clinical trials. It is simply not a risk I need to take, and no amount of statistical arguments will change the simple fact that this is an untested solution whose long-term effects are simply impossible to determine yet. Covid on the other hand is a known danger one can deal with and account for.
Nah the odds of catching it are basically nothing, and even if you do catch it the odds of even knowing you ever had it are also basically nothing, and even if you get it and have symptoms the odds of you dying are basically nothing. We locked down the world economy over a nothingburger.
Dude like everyone in my immediate family and social circle has caught COVID.
The odds of catching it are extremely high, the odds of ending up in the ICU from it are extremely low. I don't know where you are getting the idea that it's unlikely/rare to catch the disease.
Kind of have to call you out there for that false equivalency. The odds of a fatal car crash without a seat-belt are immeasurably greater than the odds of dying to the coof without a vaccine unless you are already very unhealthy. I support elderly people getting vaccinated because frankly, they're old, they aren't going to live long enough for any serious side-effects to become a factor. My parents are vaccinated, I'm not, nor will I be. I'm still young enough and healthy enough that if I catch Covid, I have an over-99% chance of survival, and likely wouldn't even notice it. If I have to stay a bit more isolated than normal because of that, fine. I see no reason to take unnecessary risks to prevent a disease I have an incredibly remote chance of catching and an essentially 100% chance of surviving anyway.
Listen buddy, COVID is basically Airborne AIDS + Black Death + Spanish Flu + the Zombie Virus.
If you don't get vaccinated, COVID will 5000% kill you.
That's what the tenured scientists at CNN told me, anyways.
Comes with the whole "personal liberty" thing. Otherwise the government would have the right to corral people and forceably vaccinate them like cattle, like some Chinese gulag.
"That's cute"? Dude just say "Aw, sweetie no..." already. You know you want to.
To be clear once and for all: I'm not a right-winger. I'm also not some sperging lefty either. I don't let politics constrict my brain to the point where its suffocating for free thought. Philosophy is what matters--truth > politics. That's why I hate the RNC and the DNC, call out the destructive intellectual retardation of the Left, the sissified political theater of the Right, the trad tranny fence-sitters of the Libertarian and the ineffectual bitching and willfully ignorance of the Alt-Right. Not pretending to be above it all, just stating my worldview.
But no matter what, people--typically staunch lefties like you who regard "conservative" and "right-winger" like slurs--will liken me to Trump pushers or whatever, because anyone who isn't in accord with you is [not an ally] and therefore is the same as everyone else whose [an enemy].
Which is why you lumped me in with those who tried to dox you. That's your brain sunk 20,000 leagues under politics.
Yeah ok blanket all the information posted, especially the Spike protein study and further, as just being "right-wing talking points". Look, you personally know that my "talking points" have been my own from the start, based on facts, going back to November of 2020 . You were there.
On the front lines--you were in the trenches with soot, coof and blood all over your face, heart monitors screeching as nurses scrambled with defibrillators, the air ringing out with the screams of children and pregnant women in distress. Among the doctors, among the medical personnel, you were their hope. Without you they would never be able to access the hospital's wireless so they could watch youtube on their smartphones.
Yes, the IT guy is yet another unsung hero of the medical profession, working with doctors and saving patients...on their surcharges.
lol All I did was call you out for obsessing over another poster and acting like a poser. I didn't defend anyone; he can defend himself. I have no stake in it. However, you just proved my point about obsession since you spent an entire paragraph complaining at me about someone else. Take it up with him.
Be honest, is it envy? You kept talking up your job at the hospital--usually avoiding ITT that it was just an IT position--so you can talk down to people as if from a position of knowledge and authority. Then people realize you're just an IT guy, not a medical practitioner. That's why you get pissy about the IT guy jabs, isn't it? Also why you fixate on the other guy. You wish you had the professional qualification to talk down to people on this subject.
My main point was just how unwarranted your arrogance was on this subject despite just getting your info from asking doctors like everyone else.
You say this after several posters stated they made their choice after talking to their doctor. Aside from them, people are simply making their decisions to get it or not with personal risk assessment. You know, like people who have personal liberty.
The state government actually could vaccinate you against your will, at least backed up by threat of fines. Medical ethics have changed since that was last done in the US though, so I'm not sure it would ever happen again. Federal government can't, and they can't mandate vaccine passports either.
The state government actually could vaccinate you against you will, at least backed up by threat of fines. Medical ethics have changed since that was last done in the US though, so I'm not sure it would ever happen again. Federal government can't, and they can't mandate vaccine passports either.
They've already entertained things like just putting the vaccine in high fructose corn syrup and disseminating it that way. These people have absolutely no respect for your own decision-making or sovereignty. They are the experts, the experts are right, and you must do what they say by choice or by force.
Comes with the whole "personal liberty" thing. Otherwise the government would have the right to corral people and forceably vaccinate them like cattle, like some Chinese gulag.
Except the whole public health, thing. They have always been able to do shit like that. They already can deny children public school for not getting vaccinations. It's not covered by "personal liberties", despite what you tards say.
"That's cute"? Dude just say "Aw, sweetie no..." already. You know you want to.
To be clear once and for all: I'm not a right-winger. I'm also not some sperging lefty either. I don't let politics constrict my brain to the point where its suffocating for free thought. Philosophy is what matters--truth > politics. That's why I hate the RNC and the DNC, call out the destructive intellectual retardation of the Left, the sissified political theater of the Right, the trad tranny fence-sitters of the Libertarian and the ineffectual bitching and willfully ignorance of the Alt-Right. Not pretending to be above it all, just stating my worldview.
But no matter what, people--typically staunch lefties like you who regard "conservative" and "right-winger" like slurs--will liken me to Trump pushers or whatever, because anyone who isn't in accord with you is [not an ally] and therefore is the same as everyone else whose [an enemy].
Which is why you lumped me in with those who tried to dox you. That's your brain sunk 20,000 leagues under politics.
No, you are a right-winger. You argue typical right-wing talking points. You just won't admit it so you can come off as an enlightened centrist. Lots of tards do that, and you happen to be one of them.
Yeah ok blanket all the information posted, especially the Spike protein study and further, as just being "right-wing talking points". Look, you personally know that my "talking points" have been my own from the start, based on facts, going back to November of 2020 when I was one of the few actually bothering to research and find, "Oh? Pfizer is already shipping vaccines despite not having published their study for peer review?" Other posters have done the same. You know this. You were there, back then and earlier ITT. Why do you do this? Oh right--brain on politics.
You do know that Pfizer was shipping the vaccines because they were anticipating it to get approval and because time was of the essence, right? I mean, you probably don't get this because you're just another proud ignorant retard on KF, but you should.
You weren't one of the faildoxers, but that doesn't mean they won't read what I post and try it. You'd have to be really stupid to post your actual job on this site.
On the front lines--you were in the trenches with soot, coof and blood all over your face, heart monitors screeching as nurses scrambled with defibrillators, the air ringing out with the screams of children and pregnant women in distress. Among the doctors, among the medical personnel, you were their hope. Without you they would never be able to access the hospital's wireless so they could watch youtube on their smartphones.
Yes, the IT guy is yet another unsung hero of the medical profession, working with doctors and saving patients...on their surcharges.
lol All I did was call you out for obsessing over another poster and acting like a poser. I didn't defend anyone; he can defend himself. I have no stake in it. However, you just proved my point about obsessing since you spent an entire paragraph complaining at me about someone else.
Be honest, is it envy? You kept talking up your job at the hospital--usually avoiding ITT that it was just an IT position--so you can talk down to people as if from a position of knowledge and authority. Then people realize you're just an IT guy, not a medical practitioner. That's why you get pissy about the IT guy jabs, isn't it? Also why you fixate on the other guy. You wish you had the professional qualification to talk down to people on this subject.
Not defending anyone. Don't think I ever did. My main point was just how unwarranted your arrogance was on this subject despite just getting your info from asking doctors like everyone else.
Nah, it's obvious to anyone with even an elementary understanding of biology that he's full of shit about being a biologist. He doesn't understand or seem to grasp how vaccines help with herd immunity and was totally unaware of what viral vector vaccines are. It's like saying you're a mechanic but seem to be unaware of how to turn on a car. I never claimed to be a medical practitioner, you retards just put those words in my mouth like you usually do. Like I said, my job is pretty unique, so despite your best efforts, I am not going to powerlevel myself so retards can try and (fail to) dox me again.
You say this after several posters stated they made their choice after talking to their doctor. Aside from them, people are simply making their decisions to get it or not with personal risk assessment. You know, like people who have personal liberty.
I think like one person actually said that. Most retards were just like "VACCINE IS BAD" because they don't understand how science works. I am assuming you're in that category
First one made me sleepy for a couple hours, second one absolutely wiped me out. Funnily enough I wasn't able to get vaccinated with the other nurses until after we'd dealt with an outbreak at work, which went down about as well as you can imagine.
Sweating in the boiler suit level PPE did wonders for my waist though.
The government can force vaccinate people like a Chinese gulag? I never knew that!
Don't be retarded by muddying the point with the subject of public schooling and vax. Yes, that's state coercion and an infringement of personal liberties if they also make it illegal to home-school or otherwise. It's wrong, agreed, but it's not the same as arresting people for not wearing a mask.
THIS is not a "return of your rights" like you claimed it was. As I said from the start, it's a stipulation. That was the original point, and you shifting it to "the government can block you from school without vax" doesn't change that this right here is not the freedom of choice we had back in 2019.
You think that excuses them shipping it before emergency approval--which was also to pressure the FDA into emergency approval by the way, since it was already being stockpiled for use--for distribution before scientific peer review?
I know you're an uber-vaxer but surely you can recognize how putting out an injection before letting its research get peer reviewed for scrutiny is something to be legitimately concerned about. And with the revelation of the Spike protein's effects even without virus, turns out it's even more legitimate.
Multiple have said it. Most gives their reasons for concern aside from "vax bad" but you refuse to read it, just like you refuse to read the study recently released. And finally, you don't know how the science works any more than anyone else.
Because you're not a biologist or doctor or even a nurse.
You're an IT guy.
Dude what you mean? Dr. Fauci knows exactly what the science is, regardless of having been called out by the creator of the PCR tests decades ago. I mean just listen to him!
We just have to trust and stop the spread racism.
The government can force vaccinate people like a Chinese gulag? I never knew that!
Don't be retarded by muddying the point with the subject of public schooling and vax. Yes, that's state coercion and an infringement of personal liberties if they also make it illegal to home-school or otherwise. It's wrong, agreed, but it's not the same as arresting people for not wearing a mask. View attachment 2196585
THIS is not a "return of your rights" like you claimed it was. As I said from the start, it's a stipulation. That was the original point, and you shifting it to "the government can block you from school without vax" doesn't change that this right here is not the freedom of choice we had back in 2019.
The state already could do that shit. What do you think health code laws are? When you go to a restaurant, the chef has to wash his hands. When you go to a store, you have to wear a shirt and shoes. If you have TB, you get forcibly quarantined. The state has always been able to do this.
You aren't a right-winger but are defending right-wing talking points. You also have a register date shortly after the New Zealand shooting and have an anime avatar, just like the other right-wingers here. Your posts are nothing but sperging retarded anti-vax talking points and hating on the Jews. Just another "enlightened centrist" here, folks. It's cute how you guys do that, though
You think that excuses them shipping it before emergency approval--which was also to pressure the FDA into emergency approval by the way, since it was already being stockpiled for use--for distribution before scientific peer review?
I know you're an uber-vaxer but surely you can recognize how putting out an injection before letting its research get peer reviewed for scrutiny is something to be legitimately concerned about. And with the revelation of the Spike protein's effects even without virus, turns out it's even more legitimate.
Yes? Why wouldn't they? Time was of the essence and they had to develop and ship a lot of doses of the vaccine. They wanted to get a head start. Again, I know you're a retard, but you should be able to see why they did this. What spike protein effects even without virus? That doesn't even make any sense (just like the rest of your replies)
I literally called him out because he used his fake biology degree to talk down to others. Basically, I am doing the same thing that you're doing now. But it's okay when you do it, right?
Multiple have said it. Most gives their reasons for concern aside from "vax bad" but you refuse to read it, just like you refuse to read the study recently released. And finally, you don't know how the science works any more than anyone else.
Because you're not a biologist or doctor or even a nurse.
You're an IT guy.
Lol no. Most have not said it and made up shit. What "study recently released"? There's been dozens recently. Again, there's been a few that have said it and there are legit reasons (like bad reactions to vaccines) to not get one, but most are just retards like you who are "VACCINE BAD!"
And again, I am not just a regular IT guy. I know you want me to powerlevel so your fellow tards can attempt to dox me, but I ain't gonna do that.
