Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[PittyKitty]

What? You cant make this shit up even if you tried. So now vax "kills" antibodies?

 

[King Dead]

I had a half-baked thought likely brought on by lack of sleep and a migraine.
What if... The world's govts thought Covid was going to be a bigger badder thing than it turned out to be and reacted accordingly, but are now too ashamed to admit they overreacted so they're pushing useless vaccines as a way to get things back to normal without having to say they goofed?

That's pretty much how I've seen this since not too long after it started. Initially I was like "eh, probably not a big deal, we've had these pandemic scares once every few years or so and nothing comes of them," then the horror stories out of China and Italy started filtering over. I try to keep a level head, but even I was a bit concerned; not enough to go out on a panic buying spree or anything, but enough to follow the guidelines and keep abreast of the situation.

And then after a few weeks once it was clear it was not the coming end times like it was hyped up to be, I realized how much the powers that be fucked up, as well as how they refused to admit they fucked up. As "two weeks to slow the spread" became eternal restrictions over this nothingburger of a virus, it became all the more clear. Now the consequences of their overreactions are coming to light (the economy is hardly in roaring recovery mode, inflation is a real fear, the rentpocalypse can't be held back forever, millions of people have lost all faith in government institutions, doomers are effectively a cult at this point), and they're just hoping they can slip out the back without any shit coming their way. I firmly believe if they thought they could get away with keeping their constituents subjugated until after their next election, they would have, but it's clear that they couldn't, not without making their economic troubles a lot worse.

It's hilarious that they were still trying to keep restrictions up even after the vaccines started rolling out. Even if it was never directly said, everyone just assumed that when vaccines were available, life could go back to normal. But then the CDC kept pushing the "you need to wear masks even after getting jabbed!" line, and that was too much for some people. Cue the disastrous April jobs report, and they knew they had to cut it short.

We'll never get a single admission of error from these fucks. Standards are for plebs, not the anointed.

In other news, my brother's father-in-law is in the hospital, apparently with the coof. He hadn't been jabbed yet, though I don't know if he's had any health issues in his past. He's a big guy (for you), overweight but not a landwhale. Aside from that, I dunno what in his medical history might cause any complications. His wife's kind of a wreck right now since this is coming at a bad time as she's swamped with work problems. I'm hoping for a speedy recovery, but I don't want to jinx it by saying he'll definitely be alright. I feel like I have a bad track record with predictions, and when it comes to family, I wouldn't want to chance it. Hey, I'm allowed a bit of superstition from time to time.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

On a mission to heal after exposing her dad to deadly virus​

https://apnews.com/article/ma-state...yle-business-2493ddb9e871669537e8dcce9f465a9b (https://archive.ph/2hOUt)
Excerpt:

“This” was COVID-19. In March 2020, just as the pandemic bloomed in the United States, Pepe traveled from Boston to Florida for her mother’s 80th birthday. She believes she gave the coronavirus to her father; Bernie Rubin died weeks later.

"believes"

“At the beginning, people would say, ‘Well, how did he get it?’ From me. That’s how he got it — he got it from me,” Pepe says, sobbing.

“Nobody’s ever said, ‘This is your fault and you gave it to him,’ but I know it’s true. I know I couldn’t save him. It’s just something I’m going to have to go to the grave with.”

She believes she caught the virus while shopping for groceries for her parents. Then her father and mother sickened.

So she has no idea when/where she was infected. She also has zero proof she infected them.

“I was in a real funk for a real long time,” she says. “And then one of my daughters said to me, ‘Mommy, we thought that we lost our grandfather, but ... we didn’t realize we also lost our mom.’ I figured I have to snap out of it.”

...and then everyone stood up and clapped.

Pepe joined online support groups where she met other grieving survivors; went to a psychic medium, searching for signs; and sought guidance from a rabbi who taught her how to recite the Kaddish.

It is starting to become clear, this is just a case of typical Jewish neurosis.

She picks up her dad’s work phone, leaning in close to take a whiff as she often does with his wallet, his shirts and his cologne, hoping to sense his presence. But she smells nothing — COVID-19 robbed her of her senses of smell and taste.

Imagine the smug asshole who typed up this schlock.

 

[MooseGump]

On a mission to heal after exposing her dad to deadly virus​

https://apnews.com/article/ma-state...yle-business-2493ddb9e871669537e8dcce9f465a9b (https://archive.ph/2hOUt)
Excerpt:

"believes"


So she has no idea when/where she was infected. She also has zero proof she infected them.

...and then everyone stood up and clapped.

It is starting to become clear, this is just a case of typical Jewish neurosis.

Imagine the smug asshole who typed up this schlock.

I couldn't take any of this seriously the moment it turned out her name was pepe, how unfortunate lol

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

I had a half-baked thought likely brought on by lack of sleep and a migraine.
What if... The world's govts thought Covid was going to be a bigger badder thing than it turned out to be and reacted accordingly, but are now too ashamed to admit they overreacted so they're pushing useless vaccines as a way to get things back to normal without having to say they goofed?

That would be an infinitely more positive situation to be in than the current most likely one. Most likely, plans to centralize society and hoover up middle and working class wealth were set into motion once the perceived danger of the virus was imposed on the public. The reason under this assumption why TPTB would not let up is precisely because the goal of their actions had little to do with the virus except using it on gullible retards. That is a far scarier outcome and seeing how everything inbetween jobs and healthcare have been centralized, it is almost assured that this is the case.

The reason I believe this and not the "oh oops we're just retarded" theory is that everything possible was done to fuck society up against the common sense of dealing with disease we've had since forever. The lockdowns, the masks, the business shut downs, the school shut downs, all of that shit does not make sense when addressing a virus. It didn't make sense last February and it hasn't made sense at all during the Senile King's rulership.

 

[Bosmadden]

What? You cant make this shit up even if you tried. So now vax "kills" antibodies?

This has been "debunked" by Reuters

Fact Check-Red Cross is accepting plasma from people vaccinated against COVID-19

The American Red Cross confirmed to Reuters that they are allowing people who have received the COVID-19 vaccine to donate plasma (the liquid component in blood, https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/plasma-information.html ), contrary to claims on social media...

www.reuters.com

False. The American Red Cross is accepting plasma donations from people who are usually eligible for such donations who have received a COVID-19 vaccine. The American Red Cross is avoiding convalescent plasma from those vaccinated against COVID-19 but exceptions are made if the convalescent plasma is high in COVID-19 antibodies.

TLDR Reuters is stating that the Red Cross is accepting plasma donations from the vaccinated but they're not using it to make convalescent plasma unless it contains Covid antibodies. Fine but that doesn't actually address whether or not the vaccines are killing off natural Covid antibodies, although it does show that those getting the shots are NOT producing Covid antibodies. Most people I discuss this with assume they're making Covid-19 antibodies when they're vaccinated, when I tell them they're not they accuse me of being a science denier lol.

Anyway you can go read the Red Cross statement and it contradicts the Reuters debunk.

What to know about the Coronavirus and Blood Donation

American Red Cross faces a severe blood shortage due to an unprecedented number of blood drive cancellations during this coronavirus outbreak. Healthy individuals are needed to donate now to help patients counting on lifesaving blood.

www.redcrossblood.org

Individuals who have received a COVID-19 vaccine are not able to donate convalescent plasma with the Red Cross.

However, these individuals may be eligible to donate other blood products with the Red Cross including whole blood and platelets if they meet other donation eligibility criteria.

The Red Cross acknowledges that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration did update its guidance regarding convalescent plasma donor eligibility related to those who receive a COVID-19 vaccine. We are evaluating the feasibility and timeline to implement this complex update, alongside the evolving hospital needs for COVID-19 patients. Please know, the Red Cross is committed to building a readily available inventory of convalescent plasma to ensure patients battling COVID-19 have all treatment options available to them.

I'm puzzled as to why the Red Cross needs to announce they won't be accepting convalescent plasma donations from the vaccinated when they will routinely test all such donations for antibodies anyway? This seems to me to be a blanket rule and includes all plasma donations. It's protocol that the recently vaccinated aren't allowed to donate blood but to refuse plasma donations from anyone who's been vaccinated with the Covid shots is definitely not normal.

That's pretty much how I've seen this since not too long after it started. Initially I was like "eh, probably not a big deal, we've had these pandemic scares once every few years or so and nothing comes of them," then the horror stories out of China and Italy started filtering over. I try to keep a level head, but even I was a bit concerned; not enough to go out on a panic buying spree or anything, but enough to follow the guidelines and keep abreast of the situation.

And then after a few weeks once it was clear it was not the coming end times like it was hyped up to be, I realized how much the powers that be fucked up, as well as how they refused to admit they fucked up. As "two weeks to slow the spread" became eternal restrictions over this nothingburger of a virus, it became all the more clear. Now the consequences of their overreactions are coming to light (the economy is hardly in roaring recovery mode, inflation is a real fear, the rentpocalypse can't be held back forever, millions of people have lost all faith in government institutions, doomers are effectively a cult at this point), and they're just hoping they can slip out the back without any shit coming their way. I firmly believe if they thought they could get away with keeping their constituents subjugated until after their next election, they would have, but it's clear that they couldn't, not without making their economic troubles a lot worse.

It's hilarious that they were still trying to keep restrictions up even after the vaccines started rolling out. Even if it was never directly said, everyone just assumed that when vaccines were available, life could go back to normal. But then the CDC kept pushing the "you need to wear masks even after getting jabbed!" line, and that was too much for some people. Cue the disastrous April jobs report, and they knew they had to cut it short.

We'll never get a single admission of error from these fucks. Standards are for plebs, not the anointed.

In other news, my brother's father-in-law is in the hospital, apparently with the coof. He hadn't been jabbed yet, though I don't know if he's had any health issues in his past. He's a big guy (for you), overweight but not a landwhale. Aside from that, I dunno what in his medical history might cause any complications. His wife's kind of a wreck right now since this is coming at a bad time as she's swamped with work problems. I'm hoping for a speedy recovery, but I don't want to jinx it by saying he'll definitely be alright. I feel like I have a bad track record with predictions, and when it comes to family, I wouldn't want to chance it. Hey, I'm allowed a bit of superstition from time to time.

Sunk cost fallacy, they panicked when the CCP ran a scare campaign that the Kung Flu was airborne AIDS and looked like gullible fools when it tuned out it was only fat boomers dying, combined with a great opportunity to be rid of the orange man. The election was gamed in Biden's favor by the mass, insecure postal vote, which was only allowed because of the coof.

I also don't understand why they kept going with the lockdowns after President Dementia's coronation? Maybe they wanted to keep a good thing going but realized we were slipping into an economic depression so were forced to pull back?

 

[PittyKitty]

This has been "debunked" by Reuters

Fact Check-Red Cross is accepting plasma from people vaccinated against COVID-19

The American Red Cross confirmed to Reuters that they are allowing people who have received the COVID-19 vaccine to donate plasma (the liquid component in blood, https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/plasma-information.html ), contrary to claims on social media...

www.reuters.com

TLDR Reuters is stating that the Red Cross is accepting plasma donations from the vaccinated but they're not using it to make convalescent plasma unless it contains Covid antibodies. Fine but that doesn't actually address whether or not the vaccines are killing off natural Covid antibodies, although it does show that those getting the shots are NOT producing Covid antibodies. Most people I discuss this with assume they're making Covid-19 antibodies when they're vaccinated, when I tell them they're not they accuse me of being a science denier lol.

Anyway you can go read the Red Cross statement and it contradicts the Reuters debunk.

What to know about the Coronavirus and Blood Donation

American Red Cross faces a severe blood shortage due to an unprecedented number of blood drive cancellations during this coronavirus outbreak. Healthy individuals are needed to donate now to help patients counting on lifesaving blood.

www.redcrossblood.org

I'm puzzled as to why the Red Cross needs to announce they won't be accepting convalescent plasma donations from the vaccinated when they will routinely test all such donations for antibodies anyway? This seems to me to be a blanket rule and includes all plasma donations. It's protocol that the recently vaccinated aren't allowed to donate blood but to refuse plasma donations from anyone who's been vaccinated with the Covid shots is definitely not normal.

She says "vaccine wipes out covid antibodies".
I d love to know if that is true.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Recently Wil Wheaton said "thank you for giving me my life back" to the person who gave him that jab.

That's the level of fearmongering the corrupt elite have conditioned the Branch Covidians to believe.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Recently Wil Wheaton said "thank you for giving me my life back" to the person who gave him that jab.

That's the level of fearmongering the corrupt elite have conditioned the Branch Covidians to believe.

Wil Wheaton (Soyton is more apt since his blood is made of soy) doesn't need to be conditioned to believe anything, he's an absolute NPC.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

NPC

Speaking of, this whole coronapanic circus really does feel so scripted.

 

[Sneed F91]

That's pretty much how I've seen this since not too long after it started. Initially I was like "eh, probably not a big deal, we've had these pandemic scares once every few years or so and nothing comes of them," then the horror stories out of China and Italy started filtering over. I try to keep a level head, but even I was a bit concerned; not enough to go out on a panic buying spree or anything, but enough to follow the guidelines and keep abreast of the situation.

And then after a few weeks once it was clear it was not the coming end times like it was hyped up to be, I realized how much the powers that be fucked up, as well as how they refused to admit they fucked up. As "two weeks to slow the spread" became eternal restrictions over this nothingburger of a virus, it became all the more clear. Now the consequences of their overreactions are coming to light (the economy is hardly in roaring recovery mode, inflation is a real fear, the rentpocalypse can't be held back forever, millions of people have lost all faith in government institutions, doomers are effectively a cult at this point), and they're just hoping they can slip out the back without any shit coming their way. I firmly believe if they thought they could get away with keeping their constituents subjugated until after their next election, they would have, but it's clear that they couldn't, not without making their economic troubles a lot worse.

It's hilarious that they were still trying to keep restrictions up even after the vaccines started rolling out. Even if it was never directly said, everyone just assumed that when vaccines were available, life could go back to normal. But then the CDC kept pushing the "you need to wear masks even after getting jabbed!" line, and that was too much for some people. Cue the disastrous April jobs report, and they knew they had to cut it short.

We'll never get a single admission of error from these fucks. Standards are for plebs, not the anointed.

In other news, my brother's father-in-law is in the hospital, apparently with the coof. He hadn't been jabbed yet, though I don't know if he's had any health issues in his past. He's a big guy (for you), overweight but not a landwhale. Aside from that, I dunno what in his medical history might cause any complications. His wife's kind of a wreck right now since this is coming at a bad time as she's swamped with work problems. I'm hoping for a speedy recovery, but I don't want to jinx it by saying he'll definitely be alright. I feel like I have a bad track record with predictions, and when it comes to family, I wouldn't want to chance it. Hey, I'm allowed a bit of superstition from time to time.

The COVID response was a complete mistake. Emotion and fear trumping logic at the cost of millions of people's livelihoods, ruining the economy, and mass paranoia. The most interesting thing about this entire pandemic to me is that it proved that governments and the media have the ability to make millions of people think and do whatever they want without question. Don't get me wrong, I think the coof is real, but a precedent has been set from now on and I wonder what can happen next.

 

[Billy Beer]

I had a half-baked thought likely brought on by lack of sleep and a migraine.
What if... The world's govts thought Covid was going to be a bigger badder thing than it turned out to be and reacted accordingly, but are now too ashamed to admit they overreacted so they're pushing useless vaccines as a way to get things back to normal without having to say they goofed?

I thought i was the only one who thought that.

My first belief when everything locked down, then nobody died, was that the intelligence community had heard reports of China developing a biowarfare weapon- which china has recently admitted to developing, at one of the their labs, possibly beijing - where SARS 1 was developed.

Wuhan accidently, genuinely accidently, leaked COVID. Putting 2 and 2 together, the international community pooped their collective panties - and rightfully so!, and set about with lockdowns etc.

That was July 2020 when I thought that. IF i still believed that scenario was possible, then the real bioweapon is coming (you've seen the Bill Gates video where he talks about this and smiles, right?) and the covid vax is a world-wide human trial, to see if the medical community can create a virus to stop X dangerous bioweapon in record time.

 

[Blake Chortles]

I had a half-baked thought likely brought on by lack of sleep and a migraine.
What if... The world's govts thought Covid was going to be a bigger badder thing than it turned out to be and reacted accordingly, but are now too ashamed to admit they overreacted so they're pushing useless vaccines as a way to get things back to normal without having to say they goofed?

I think for most politicians and regular people enforcing this shit this is true. Just one long ass covering at all costs no matter the consequences. I've seen that plenty of times for serious situations.

 

[Bosmadden]

It was either two separate strains, or just the fact that due to a tattered lung I am susceptible to respiratory infections. Either one really, unlucky is the name of the game for me and illness.

Still, thanks for the informative nature on this! Though I thought a couple of the vaccines were running off the idea of using weakened or dead variants to create immunity, are those substantively different to natural immunity? I know the ones like Moderna are absolutely batshit.

Edit: Also worth noting that the infections were 8 months apart.

The Chinese is the only one that is an inactivated vaccine. It's by far the safest but is likely completely useless at providing immunity. All inactivated vaccines that have been attempted against Coronaviruses have been proven worthless. It's basically a placebo but if someone put a gun to my head and forced me to get the shot that's what I would pick. The Chinese are purposefully not vaccinating their people with any mRNA or DNA/RNA vaccine.

The western vaccines are either mRNA vaccines or viral vector vaccines, which essentially do the same thing but by different means. I hear some claiming that the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is more like a traditional vaccine which is incorrect, it's a viral vector vaccine that uses a deactivated Adenovirus to promote spike protein antibodies. It's similar to the Astra Zeneca jab and like the rest is non sterilizing and does not result in Covid-19 antibodies.

TLDR vaccination against a Coronavirus is impossible with current technology. None of the "vaccines" will cause your body to produce Covid-19 antibodies. None of them will stop you catching or spreading Covid. The western vaccines may prevent serious illness by priming your immune system to respond when you are infected, or they may not. They may also increase the reproduction rate of more deadly strains (if they are effective at alleviating symptoms) which is a really, really bad thing. Oh also they will leave you with a unique antibody, found nowhere else in nature, that could be targeted by a state actor's bio weapons program, but I'm sure the Chinese would never dream of doing such a thing.

 

[Overly Serious]

TLDR vaccination against a Coronavirus is impossible with current technology. None of the "vaccines" will cause your body to produce Covid-19 antibodies. None of them will stop you catching or spreading Covid. The western vaccines may prevent serious illness by priming your immune system to respond when you are infected, or they may not. They may also increase the reproduction rate of more deadly strains (if they are effective at alleviating symptoms) which is a really, really bad thing. Oh also they will leave you with a unique antibody, found nowhere else in nature, that could be targeted by a state actor's bio weapons program, but I'm sure the Chinese would never dream of doing such a thing.

What's the difference between an antibody resulting from the mRNA or viral vector vaccines which targets the spike protein, and one from actual exposure to the disease itself? Does not all Covid-19 have that spike protein and therefore the immune system primed to fight the spike protein also fight the real disease? Does the immune system recognize some part of Covid-19 other than the spike when it gets real exposure and this matters for some reason?

Note, I have no background in medicine - talk to me like I'm smart but ignorant.

 

[teriyakiburns]

non sterilizing

You keep saying this, but I've seen as many claims of the opposite, and about as much actual evidence in either direction: Nothing. Just repetitions of other people's claims. Lots of claims without evidence don't add up to much more than beliefs.

 

[Bosmadden]

What's the difference between an antibody resulting from the mRNA or viral vector vaccines which targets the spike protein, and one from actual exposure to the disease itself? Does not all Covid-19 have that spike protein and therefore the immune system primed to fight the spike protein also fight the real disease? Does the immune system recognize some part of Covid-19 other than the spike when it gets real exposure and this matters for some reason?

Note, I have no background in medicine - talk to me like I'm smart but ignorant.

Yeah these are good questions.

Unlike natural immunity from exposure to wild virus or traditional vaccination, the Covid therapies/vaccines don't provide sterile immunity. They don't stop transmission or spread of the virus, as they don't induce Covid antibodies, so you are absolutely going to catch Covid vaccination or no vaccination. This is well understood by the government which is why the CDC has hurriedly changed the testing criteria for reportable cases among the vaccinated population. So if you're intending to get vaccinated so you won't CATCH Covid you're out of luck.

They may be effective preventatives of severe illness in high risk groups. I say may as we really won't know that until the next wave hits us, which will be due in around 18 months (when the Covid strains find a work around for latent T-cell immunity). The mass vaccinations coincided with natural suppression caused by herd immunity (around a quarter of the population have already contracted the disease), so we should be skeptical as to whether the reduction in case numbers has anything to do with the vaccines.

So why should you get vaccinated? To "stop the spread"? No these vaccines are not designed to prevent transmission and the manufacturers don't claim they do. The only argument that they may reduce spread is by increasing the numbers of asymptomatic carriers, but there's an argument to be made that increasing the number of mild cases will increase spread, not reduce it.

To stop severe illness? Maybe, but each individual will have to weigh up whether or not the potential side effects from taking an experimental drug are less or more than their individual risk from contracting Covid. Are you fat? Are you old? Do you have diabetes? Are you Vitamin D deficient? If you're relatively young and have a BMI less than 40 you're at almost no risk of severe illness and getting vaccinated won't stop you spreading the bug, so why the fuck would you consider taking it?

The vaccination program should only have been offered to high risk groups as only they will see any benefit from it. But as we know big pharma loves money and so do corrupt politicians.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Let's see how the pro-lockdowns folks will react with the latest move Israel did.

Israel to lift almost all domestic Covid restrictions

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Israel to lift almost all domestic Covid restrictions next week - Glo…

archived 24 May 2021 12:15:47 UTC

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Following the consistent reduction in the Covid-19 infection rate in Israel, Minister of Health Yuli Edelstein has announced that as from next week on Tuesday June 1, all restrictions at locations and events in Israel subject to the Green pass (entry restricted to those vaccinated) and the purple badge (distancing and number limitations) will be cancelled.

Masks will still be mandatory in indoor public spaces, although the Ministry of Health will discuss lifting this obligation as well. However, the restrictions on non-Israeli passport holders entering Israel will remain in force, and if necessary will be tightened further.

"Israel is returning to normal," Edelstein said. "Less than six months ago, we began our vaccination campaign. Through the excellent work by the health system staff - the health funds, hospitals, Magen David Adom, Magen Israel and Ministry of Health employees - and through the amazing response of the citizens of Israel, we conducted the world's best vaccination rollout. We have for some time been reaping the rewards of the vaccinations with low morbidity."

"Nevertheless, returning to normal comes with a proviso," added Edelstein. "The Ministry of Health is striving to keep the situation green in Israel and we will continue to broadly monitor the situation in order to prevent an outbreak. Of course if there will be another outbreak, we will be forced go backwards."

 

[Bosmadden]

You keep saying this, but I've seen as many claims of the opposite, and about as much actual evidence in either direction: Nothing. Just repetitions of other people's claims. Lots of claims without evidence don't add up to much more than beliefs.

This is a non controversial point. Sterilizing immunity simply means that your body produces antibodies that stop virus replication when exposure occurs. Literally no one is claiming, let alone the companies making them, that the Covid vaccines achieve this.

At best they may reduce the replication rate by increasing the numbers of asymptomatic carriers, but that is a very big stretch and is unproven up til now.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Recently Wil Wheaton said "thank you for giving me my life back" to the person who gave him that jab.

That's the level of fearmongering the corrupt elite have conditioned the Branch Covidians to believe.