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1 hour long about why he try to push hard to make money from Amelia's sound board. Summarized to he want money. Not gonna listen to that shit.
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Some of his tracks are honestly pretty good.
At some point his music was available via some noname channels on YT music and I kinda felt dirty adding them.
But that's where my interest ends.
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With what @Terminal Lurker wrote, seems like a proper chap.
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I'm not going to watch the video, so what is he going to do with the sound board?
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Luna's back after a little bit of a hiatus (she was taking care of her mom).
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In celebration of her birthday, Lize sama birthday goods set is available from today to the end of this month, as well as her 2020 birthday voicepack is back on sale for the same period. Kotobukiya also took the opportunity to reveal her figurine for the first time.
She also hold a community vote of her top 10 best moments on stream for the Helesta citizens instead of twitter compilation like last year. Number 6 will shock you.
She also hold a community vote of her top 10 best moments on stream for the Helesta citizens instead of twitter compilation like last year. Number 6 will shock you.
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Moona has confidence to voice-call-collab with JP-only speaker other than Pekora now?
Part of her Japanese study probably.
and Ollie on a talkshow
Part of her Japanese study probably.
and Ollie on a talkshow
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@Dom Cruise, What are your thoughts about these images?
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He try to claim that the sound sample from talents like Amelia doesn't belong to Cover/Hololive, so he should allow to make content and monetize it with spotify. I guess Cover doesn't agree and have the song removed. Can't say I'm very interested nor follow it closely.
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Let me provide a bullet point TLDW because a single sentence won't do any favors to explain the actual nuance of this issue:
- Holo Bass was legitimately doing music as a hobby for years prior to using this current alias to reflect his current interest.
- He went to a full year music production course just over a year ago since he long since wanted to take his music seriously. This obviously left him with a little bit of debt.
- Pop on Rocks takes off like a rocket and he now has a sizeable fan base. One that has desperately asked him to put his music on Spotify.
- For a little while he opted to say no because he really didn't want to make money off his Hololive stuff.
- A random fan then eventually proceeds to put his music on Spotify, on his behalf, without his permission.
- He sees this and realizes that if he didn't take more control over his fan work, other people will take it and potentially reap rewards. He also references Youtube's notorious content ID system and mentions that if other people claim his work before he does, the system can be abused to flag other people who use the work in their videos or streams. This would obviously look bad on him so he decides to put his foot down here so he could stay in COVER's good graces.
- He gets the fan uploads of his work off Spotify so he can put it up of his own accord. Still opting to keep his music free wherever else he has them.
- He starts getting a little bit of pocket money off the Spotify streams and opts to use that money for Hololive merch and paying back his student loans.
- Just last month, COVER sends takedown notices for his music on Spotify (but only on Spotify, anywhere else they exist have been untouched), except for his Ina lo-fi remixes which remained up for some reason.
- Proceeds to message COVER to get them to clarify any and all reasons for the takedowns
- Currently still has not received a response.
- He is now using this time to reflect on how to handle monetization for future works. He figures if he's gonna spend a lot of time and money on something, at some point he'll have to make money to make up for it. He needs to pay back his student loans eventually. He's also just as much of a Hololive sperg as anyone else it seems, so he'll want money that he can spend on more Hololive merch.
He asked for clarification on whether they own their talents' voices/everything they've ever said on stream. Which is important because sampling has long since been a staple part of music for decades, and COVER not getting back to him on this detail is a problem, because to be fair the music Holo Bass uploaded to Spotify are original tracks that just so happen to have samples of Hololive girls in them.
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His remixes are more often misses as far as my tastes are concerned. Only stuff he's done that I've listened to on repeat was "Pop on Rocks" and "Green Eggs & Spam". That's not to say his mixes/sampling aren't good - it's more often just not my kind of jam. His collab work with Avilon on "Operation Ground Pound" was excellent though.
That being said, I think he's on a losing battle here. The fact of the matter is that he did sample Hololive talents' voices without asking for permission and where he got unlucky is that he blew up, Cover got aware of it and became aggressive in their copyright claims. Lots of other artists and channels skate by sampling Hololive talents without getting bonk'd by Cover since they're small and under the radar. The fact that he also branched out to Spotify may also be a big factor as to why Cover started going after him. Had he stayed in YouTube, Cover may have just looked at him the way they look at all the clipper channels - just free advertising for the Holo talents.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but he still needs permission to sample them - as they're the copyright holder, especially since this is an ongoing contentious discussion in the music community.
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This should be a supplement for that ad with new jobs.
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/u/Definitely_not_Frodo applying at 0.5 second.
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Holo bass guy is leggit good guy. --
Anyways listen up gachikois, I'm into something really cool here. This JP bro (re)made the Minecraft Holoserver as a tourist attraction. I have no clue how he did it but he ''opened doors to tourists'' for one week. This was at the start of May.
Here's the tweet https://twitter.com/kbinani/status/1388078937406910470
This went totally under the radar but I think it's cool af and I've personally always wanted to wander around the server and see that shit for myself.
I contacted him and asked if he was gonna ''re open'' the server and even better news came out
here's the website https://public.giji34.world/
Some rules include no streaming or making videos.
Right so I've never played Minecraft, but how did this guy even do this? No idea. I talked to some minecraft nerds on the Hololive Minecraft discord (2500 peeps) and they said you could do this by ''cracking the world seed'' and ''rebuilding the whole thing'' which takes massive amounts of time and resources. Do I think one single JP otaku could do this? Hell yes, and this might be our guy.
Ayt I trust you guys won't sperg on him, let's see what comes out when he opens doors again for the kaigainikis as well. Also don't spread the word just yet, I didn't tell the minecraft nerds anything about this, they were clueless.
Anyways listen up gachikois, I'm into something really cool here. This JP bro (re)made the Minecraft Holoserver as a tourist attraction. I have no clue how he did it but he ''opened doors to tourists'' for one week. This was at the start of May.
Here's the tweet https://twitter.com/kbinani/status/1388078937406910470
This went totally under the radar but I think it's cool af and I've personally always wanted to wander around the server and see that shit for myself.
I contacted him and asked if he was gonna ''re open'' the server and even better news came out
here's the website https://public.giji34.world/
Some rules include no streaming or making videos.
Right so I've never played Minecraft, but how did this guy even do this? No idea. I talked to some minecraft nerds on the Hololive Minecraft discord (2500 peeps) and they said you could do this by ''cracking the world seed'' and ''rebuilding the whole thing'' which takes massive amounts of time and resources. Do I think one single JP otaku could do this? Hell yes, and this might be our guy.
Ayt I trust you guys won't sperg on him, let's see what comes out when he opens doors again for the kaigainikis as well. Also don't spread the word just yet, I didn't tell the minecraft nerds anything about this, they were clueless.
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The seed has been discovered a while ago, previous year I believe. The person who discover it asked the community if it's okay to make it public. The community decided to not make it public. Is this the same person?
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If to consider your remark about life being on borrowed time (way too) seriously, then it doesn't really apply to me, as I don't feel the postponement factor. But I know people who do, for various reasons.
Whatever - I got the message and you are right, it's time to do something else once in a while. Since the lockdown restrictions are almost all lifted now, I will probably follow our mutual friend @ZMOT's advice to Marine:
Especially when she's playing a horror game
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At what point do the neighbors call the cops thinking the girl next door is getting murdered?Especially when she's playing a horror game
Terminal Lurker
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We don't know if sampling is even the core of this issue yet (big wonder because like I mentioned his lo-fi track that samples Ina is still on Spotify) but this brings into question "what does COVER claim as their content?" The Derivative Works Guidelines has a line that states they don't allow the extraction of a talent's voice from their songs to be used in speech generation. It doesn't say anything about extracting voices from streams. If they own literally everything a talent has said on stream (as opposed to the talent themselves owning it for some reason), COVER needs to specify that.
That said, we still won't know until Holo Bass gets a response. The only other thing he brought up as a potential reason for his issue was his use of modified official Hololive artwork for his tracks' cover art, which he already provided alternatives for, but without a response from COVER he still can't do anything. I personally think that's the real issue but COVER management is being COVER management.
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Assuming COVER doesn't own stream (including the talent's voice on stream) is weird. If there is no statement that said otherwise, I would assume COVER own them. Not specifically mention anything about who own the voice doesn't mean it's save to assume COVER doesn't own it.
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I know nothing about japanese copyright laws, but atleast in the EU and the US, you cannot copyright a voice. Cover may say that they do not allow extraction of a voice from a song, but that would hold exactly 0 ground in court, and in fact there is (in the US atleast), court precedent that a singer sued a company for using her voice in an ad and lost the case. The sued company just had to add that the actress did not participate in the ad. I'd wager the same thing can be said about voice extraction from a stream. Adding something like "the voice was extracted and the streamer did not participate in the making of this" should be enough.
Still, even if completely legal to do, companies in the past (specially japanese companies, I'm looking at you nintendo) did whatever they wanted on platforms like youtube, so I guess anything is possible.