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You sound like you might need to see a psychiatrist for all those issues you haven't worked out.

I removed the last part. Happy. If everybody else gets to be bigot, why can't I? I'm not the only gay person with this tale. Sure, maybe I am abrasive., but I try to be objective and insightful. It's not like I'm screaming or pulling statements from my ass.
 
I removed the last part. Happy. If everybody else gets to be bigot, why can't I? I'm not the only gay person with this tale. Sure, maybe I am abrasive., but I try to be objective and insightful. It's not like I'm screaming or pulling statements from my ass.
Just saying, you might have more than a few issues you might need to deal with. That kind of thinking ain't healthy, on any level, for any one, gay or straight.
 
There is your disconnect. Right there. You didn't go through the pre-homosexual socialization. So you don't have resentfulness of the average male homosexual towards masculinity and straight men. But if you were an outsider during your childhood, I would suspect that you would act in the same way. You have positive associations with masculinity and straight men, that most homosexuals can't say they have. It's not so much that masculinity is discouraged or effeminacy encouraged, it's that homosexuals are trying to a build a safe space from their childhood trauma. There is a reason why gay men sound like bitter women by the time they're in college. If masculine or straight men made you're like a bitter hell then you'll want to become the great enemy number one.


Vanity and selfishness are self-defense mechanisms. I think that a majority of gay guys tend to be gender non-conforming as children. So gay men tend to have a weird type of socialization. Where they're not one of the boys, but they're not one of the girls either. So they have the ability to play mind games like women but with the aggression of men. It's all fueled by resentment at straight men and the straight world. It's just a guess from personal experience. I really hate straight men. I don't discriminate against them but I don't like them. See the post above.
*raises hand* I did. I was never particularly overtly masculine. I'm short, skinny, my voice isn't very deep, and I'm brimming with neoteny. I was a prime candidate for the pre-gay social priming. And primed I was. I didn't have a lot of he-man friends growing up, and most of my socialization was with girls. Bullying came my way through dumb hurr hurr redneck type guys, Mexicans, and catty girls. I had a fairly normal childhood with married parents, 1.5 siblings, a picket fence, and a dog.

Thing is, I've always known exactly who I am and what I'm after. Learning I was gay wasn't a long struggle session pitting my identity against stupid kids who were mean to me. I just went through puberty, saw naked people, and figured out I had a thing for dick. It wasn't "oh god I might be gay what do I do?", it was "Huh. I guess that's hot. That means gay. Whatever." If I had to give non-accredited advice to those late-20s gay guys getting their Mean Girls on? Get over it. Cry because Brad was mean to you, spank your inner child, and get over it. Kids in groups are stupid and mean. This has been true for all of recorded history. Nobody cares about the time Chad punched you in the stomach when you were 10 but you. You can either form a we-hate-men club and Regina George it out or you can take that pain, call Chad an asshole, and redirect that anger into becoming successful while he stagnates at the Feed store in your dinky hometown.
 
*raises hand* I did. I was never particularly overtly masculine. I'm short, skinny, my voice isn't very deep, and I'm brimming with neoteny. I was a prime candidate for the pre-gay social priming. And primed I was. I didn't have a lot of he-man friends growing up, and most of my socialization was with girls. Bullying came my way through dumb hurr hurr redneck type guys, Mexicans, and catty girls. I had a fairly normal childhood with married parents, 1.5 siblings, a picket fence, and a dog.

Thing is, I've always known exactly who I am and what I'm after. Learning I was gay wasn't a long struggle session pitting my identity against stupid kids who were mean to me. I just went through puberty, saw naked people, and figured out I had a thing for dick. It wasn't "oh god I might be gay what do I do?", it was "Huh. I guess that's hot. That means gay. Whatever." If I had to give non-accredited advice to those late-20s gay guys getting their Mean Girls on? Get over it. Cry because Brad was mean to you, spank your inner child, and get over it. Kids in groups are stupid and mean. This has been true for all of recorded history. Nobody cares about the time Chad punched you in the stomach when you were 10 but you. You can either form a we-hate-men club and Regina George it out or you can take that pain, call Chad an asshole, and redirect that anger into becoming successful while he stagnates at the Feed store in your dinky hometown.
heck yeah!

Granted, upon reflection ...and exposure to other peoples stories about how they grew up... mine are not 100% average... but I grew up loving boy like games, activities and toys. I love playing in the mud. I loved playing war (was shitty at it ..but loved it all the same) Loved grossing out my sisters with my boogers in various manners. I love watching action films with manly men.. like the late Sir Sean Connery doing Bond shit.

My sisters loved doing and playing with girly crap: dresses, dolls etctera.

I"m gay...they are hetero.
 
I love this thread. And I love y'all faggots. Do any of you know somewhere else online where I can have these kinds of conversations? Like, critical and personal reflections on homosexuality and the LGBT Movement? It can get lonely, lost in a sea of the manufactured clone gays @SouthernBitchBob was talking about. Any time I try to discuss this stuff critically, even my personal sexuality, I get accused of homophobia or whatever.
 
I love this thread. And I love y'all faggots. Do any of you know somewhere else online where I can have these kinds of conversations? Like, critical and personal reflections on homosexuality and the LGBT Movement? It can get lonely, lost in a sea of the manufactured clone gays @SouthernBitchBob was talking about. Any time I try to discuss this stuff critically, even my personal sexuality, I get accused of homophobia or whatever.
Not that I know of. The only major separatist-type group of gays you'll find in radfem circles. They didn't clump together to reflect critically or personally on their sexuality as far as I can tell; they did it to bitch about men and hiss about troons (which, fair play on that second one).
 
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I love this thread. And I love y'all faggots. Do any of you know somewhere else online where I can have these kinds of conversations? Like, critical and personal reflections on homosexuality and the LGBT Movement? It can get lonely, lost in a sea of the manufactured clone gays @SouthernBitchBob was talking about. Any time I try to discuss this stuff critically, even my personal sexuality, I get accused of homophobia or whatever.

Datalounge tends to have self-awareness. They acknowledge that sexuality is more complex then being born with a set identity. Most books on gay history acknowledge that sexual identity is socially constructed.

*raises hand* I did. I was never particularly overtly masculine. I'm short, skinny, my voice isn't very deep, and I'm brimming with neoteny. I was a prime candidate for the pre-gay social priming. And primed I was. I didn't have a lot of he-man friends growing up, and most of my socialization was with girls. Bullying came my way through dumb hurr hurr redneck type guys, Mexicans, and catty girls. I had a fairly normal childhood with married parents, 1.5 siblings, a picket fence, and a dog.

Thing is, I've always known exactly who I am and what I'm after. Learning I was gay wasn't a long struggle session pitting my identity against stupid kids who were mean to me. I just went through puberty, saw naked people, and figured out I had a thing for dick. It wasn't "oh god I might be gay what do I do?", it was "Huh. I guess that's hot. That means gay. Whatever." If I had to give non-accredited advice to those late-20s gay guys getting their Mean Girls on? Get over it. Cry because Brad was mean to you, spank your inner child, and get over it. Kids in groups are stupid and mean. This has been true for all of recorded history. Nobody cares about the time Chad punched you in the stomach when you were 10 but you. You can either form a we-hate-men club and Regina George it out or you can take that pain, call Chad an asshole, and redirect that anger into becoming successful while he stagnates at the Feed store in your dinky hometown.

But what if you think that the teasing made you homosexual? What if you think that you're broken because of it?
 
But what if you think that the teasing made you homosexual? What if you think that you're broken because of it?
Can't help you there. Nor, I suspect, can anyone else. I'm one of those gays who probably could have figured it out when I was 5 years old if I had any concept of sexuality at that time, so it was a foregone conclusion before any of that stuff started with me. I know many a therapist would take kid gloves and commiserate. It sounds like bitchy dismissal to say it, but the only solution is, again, to get over it. How you get over it is up to you; it's easier said than done. It's not going to happen all at once. You're going to wake up one day and realize "oh shit. I don't care about it anymore. And I haven't for a while now! YES!" Letting weak, useless people define who you are is no way to live. And if they broke you? They've defined who you are. Take thoughtful, personal criticism to heart. Learning to trashcan thoughtless and stupid criticism is a life skill one learns from getting a lot of it. Hell, you should barely be listening to me. I don't know shit about you.
 
With regards to the kink at public pride shit I'm seeing in other threads, does anyone else feel weirded out by finding out how insane it gets?

Before I was fully ready to defend it as in my experience kink just meant wearing a SFW leather outfit, a Mr.S shirt, or a collar and tgat being that. Nothing you wouldn't see on some committed goth. But seeing how blatant sexual it can get in other places with the costumes and nudity with children within a few feet alone is something else.
 
With regards to the kink at public pride shit I'm seeing in other threads, does anyone else feel weirded out by finding out how insane it gets?

Before I was fully ready to defend it as in my experience kink just meant wearing a SFW leather outfit, a Mr.S shirt, or a collar and tgat being that. Nothing you wouldn't see on some committed goth. But seeing how blatant sexual it can get in other places with the costumes and nudity with children within a few feet alone is something else.
Thats the thing though. Kids at pride isn't something that was an issue until someone made it one.
 
I love this thread. And I love y'all faggots. Do any of you know somewhere else online where I can have these kinds of conversations? Like, critical and personal reflections on homosexuality and the LGBT Movement? It can get lonely, lost in a sea of the manufactured clone gays @SouthernBitchBob was talking about. Any time I try to discuss this stuff critically, even my personal sexuality, I get accused of homophobia or whatever.
Sadly, I believe this site is the ONLY place where civil discussion on any subject are taking place.
Heck, I've never been able to have this kind of conversation on mIRC 25 years ago
 
With regards to the kink at public pride shit I'm seeing in other threads, does anyone else feel weirded out by finding out how insane it gets?

Before I was fully ready to defend it as in my experience kink just meant wearing a SFW leather outfit, a Mr.S shirt, or a collar and tgat being that. Nothing you wouldn't see on some committed goth. But seeing how blatant sexual it can get in other places with the costumes and nudity with children within a few feet alone is something else.
I was creeped out and disgusted by the excessive public displays of depravity 35 years ago in San Francisco.
I found it mildly amusing 36 years ago...but we honestly have gone well beyond the need to celebrate gay Pride at all.
 
I was creeped out and disgusted by the excessive public displays of depravity 35 years ago in San Francisco.
I found it mildly amusing 36 years ago...but we honestly have gone well beyond the need to celebrate gay Pride at all.
I honestly suspect that being gay presents itself psychologically like a paraphilia. Or at least the need to come out as gay encourages the kinksters in the community to treat it like one, and it has some sort of cascading effect. I'm sure there's a whole bunch of complex factors that also come into play there, but it's hard to deny personal experience. Having one weird kink increases the likelihood that you have more than one, and pride became a circus of treasures to sate desires both subtle and gross.

People can faff around about the right age to expose impressionable minds to sexuality. I can tell you Big John flapping his cock in your face when you're six ain't it.
 
As a straight guy it really has started to bother me how many leftist men troon out. It really does feel like these people are desperate for any sort of positive attention and they simply don't receive it because they spend time in areas that blame them for everything.
Anything that was positive about being male is ignored or undermined while everything about femininity is still held in high regard. Being gay is not something that appeals to straight liberals, I've seen clearly straight guys try it for political reasons but it never works out. Where as you don't need to have gender dysphoria to be trans. And so, many straight guys get off to the idea of being lesbians and use that line of logic to play into transgenderism. It also doesn't help that a lot of these guys hate themselves. So you get a mix of a cultural pressure telling men they are evil and women are good, left wing cultism from seeing people around them doing it and finally a mix of autogynephilia from watching lesbians in porn.
what should men do?
Build themselves a skillset and assets, in order to be able to support a family (Though some women do become the breadwinner, most of the time it's still men). Other than family Lift, eat healthy, make a brotherhood and seek knowledge and gain wisdom.
With regards to the kink at public pride shit I'm seeing in other threads, does anyone else feel weirded out by finding out how insane it gets?
Not really, when I was young I had to go through the 2015 French pride. When I first passed by I saw them setting it up and playing lame music. When I was coming back though (it was the only way to my hotel) I had to go right through the thick of it seeing very drunk men in skimpy outfits doing softcore porn shit. Needless to say I'm not really surprised. Pride at least the ones like the French one and LA one are really meant to be nothing but a gay orgy party. It's not about Optics or owning straight people or gay rights it's just a college party for gay men in the street.
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Speaking of that child fucker Foucault, fuck queer theory.

Critical Race Theory, Queer Theory.

Got a crackpot opinion based on whimsy and personal bias? Call it a 'theory,' which is a word smart people say. Masses of idiots will seriously consider what you have to say because you used a smart-person-word, and they don't know the implications of what a theory is.
 

Can you elaborate on what you find interesting about it? Some of the stuff he said about friendship was interesting, I thought, but not really very illuminating.

Got a crackpot opinion based on whimsy and personal bias? Call it a 'theory,' which is a word smart people say. Masses of idiots will seriously consider what you have to say because you used a smart-person-word, and they don't know the implications of what a theory is.

Right. I just have an aversion to this kind of postmodernist stuff on the way it's written alone, before you even get to what it's saying (a lot of the time it isn't saying much anyway). The French postmodernist 'intellectuals' are the worst for this. I actually think Foucault is one of the least-worst of his ilk (especially when you compare him to Derrida, Lacan, etc.) in this respect. When I was younger I felt super-pressured to read and understand all of it, until I realized that most of the people who claimed to have read and understand it were doing so out of pretension and a similar pressure to claim that they have read and understood it. The way that it's written (FWIW I usually read it in French) is elitist IMO. Like so many (pseudo)marxists, they wax lyrical all day about the revolution, the proletariat, etc. but then proceed to write in language so inaccessible, convoluted and specialized that it can only be understood (if they really understand it at all) by people who have gone to grad school for a humanities subject and thoroughly indoctrinated into this way of thinking. And, of course, you're not allowed to really disagree. There's a lot out there on the cult-like aspect of postmodernism but for me, it's the hypocrisy which gets me.

Speaking of that child fucker Foucault, fuck queer theory.


Oh yeah, plus, the whole pedophilia thing. That uncommonground article definitely came as a total shock to me; it's a bit rough in parts but it totally redpilled me. As someone who's been around this stuff on the daily for the last decade, I had never heard of this.

Based on your other posts, I think you'd find that an interesting rabbit hole to go down, @Noir drag freak . I'd be curious to hear what you think.
 
Can you elaborate on what you find interesting about it? Some of the stuff he said about friendship was interesting, I thought, but not really very illuminating.

I liked the his first answer on the first page where he talked about sexuality as a form of "creation", rather then something we discover. It resonates with me because it's goes against the notion that people have to discover what they want. I find that way of thinking could give people more sense of agency. I also like what he said about friendship as well. But given the article that was posted, I am somewhat disgusted that I linked the article.
 
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